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pvdoor.... ???
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Guambodian✭✭✭Not everyone lives in "your" time zone. It may be well after midnight for you but it isn't on the other side of the world. Not everyone is some low down scrub not worthy of your "elite" attention. Some people just play when they can, Rngesus forbid that just so happens to be at a different time than you. (You being the holier than everyone, if you don't play like me you suck types).0 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭AnnieBeGood wrote: »So you knock on the door of the keep and ask if anyone is home?
No. Its how AD holds EU TF, capturing empty keeps at 5 AM.1 -
Ferrofluid✭✭✭No one is saying that the campaigns should grind to a halt when it isn't prime time, but 30 people logging on at 4 or 5 am so they can take keeps with 1 or 2 defenders is just pathetic...a.k.a. Aps0 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭too funny...learn something new every day...all this time I thought pvdoor meant the same thing as "gating" an alliance - basically taking an alliances two back keeps so they can't fast travel out of the starter zones...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
prootch✭✭✭PvDoors : player vs doors when the map is empty of ennemies (ex: TF EU: everyday 6am woodemp)
WoodEmp : emperor crowned when the map is empty of ennemies
Nothing to do with keep capture behind ennemy lines, which is an efficient strat to create diversions.0 -
linoge63✭✭✭I'm curious as I'm pretty much a noob still.
But how would a group know in advance that the keep they want to take is left with no defenders?
What are they supposed to do, get the door to 10% and think, oh jeez, no one is home, we'd better move on?
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DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Generally I believe it refers to attacking keeps without players inside and avoiding PvP to gain objectives.
Normally use as a derogatory term for guilds which focus on campaign wins and tactics to that end rather than straight up PvP fights.
Generally it's actually referenced to groups who are on maps against very low opposing populations (such as 3 bar vs. 1 bar) and just roll the map and flip it all one color just because they can.
Taking a keep fast and such when there is similar population isn't really looked down upon.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
PC/NA Server
Fairweather Friends
Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.3 -
stevenyaub16_ESO✭✭✭✭quick definition
player vs door
when no one is in the campaign and all you do is fight keep doors
This.
It's not about taking keeps strategy. It's when people only play when there's no resistance or avoid it always so they can fight doors and get AP.
Totally fine if you just want AP, Skill points. Cyrodil is not exclusive just to PvPers (there's quests in the zone after all)0 -
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(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Baconlad✭✭✭✭✭
✭I consider all forms of keep flipping PvDoor. Whether defended or not, outnumbered or not. Any bad player can pick up siege and sling shots aimlessly at a door.
I'm gonna call you out for it...personally.
You'll get my respect when you actually try to kill a player or players with equal numbers or when you are outnumbered by the enemy. Even if you die, gotta learn how to fight solo or try.
Plus zergs are the reason why my abilities dont fire off when I'm solo and taking on 5 players. Those massive fights prevent me from securing a group of kills.
Always remember....
ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FORES....I mean only you can prevent atrocious lag...just stop zerging...EP small scalers in brindle will appreciate it...learn to solo in summary
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darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Yeah PvDoor is most hated during off hours and can overlap with "night" capping complaints pretty heavily. PVE guild zergs or PVP skill grinding zergs in general that take keeps for quick AP and move on without a regard to the campaign regardless of the time are included.
Lots of people that like the PvP generated during keep fights don't like the fast keep takes that happen for campaign reasons either. Pretty clear by the sentence why that is. Kinda comes down to why there are campaigns with keeps and such in the first place. Are keeps there to win campaigns or to create focal points for PvP gameplay?0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »PvDoor is mainly used when you end up fighting 24 people versus the Keep/Castle/Fort-NPCs and not actual players.
PvDoor is different from strategic thinking/planning, using it to tag keeps behind enemy lines to cut off reinforcements is in most cases not considered PvDoor.
The issue is when organised guild groups, with no intention of PvPing, but rather have that free 6k AP-tick(You can get ~70k AP/H by flipping keeps) does it. You can play cat and mouse with the enemies. Go to a scroll keep => 20 siege it down on main gate, takes ~1m tops to flip the keep. (How do you expect people to respond within 1 min of a keep getting attacked? Ain't happening). With 1 ram and ~15 ballistas it takes less than ~23s to take down a main gate.
Then once you flip the keep, you just repair the outer/inner main to ~50%. Then you get into sneak, leave the keep, goes to capture another keep while your first keep is being re-taken.
Aaaaand so it keeps going. You get 70k AP/Hour while basically sneaking away from every fight. -cough-. And since Cyrodiil is a PvP-area, this is usually viewed as something bad.
Unless something has changed Im pretty sure most Emperors has earned their crown only being present during PvP but spending the majority of their time repairing doors and walls. Are we going to call that out as well as that is simply cheesing the system and farming AP over actually fighting their way to the crown?Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PvDoor is not as easy as it look.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
haelene✭✭✭✭✭
✭PvDoor is my Cyrodill play-style then If I were to play pvp that is.!
In all seriousness - it's a strategy. Just like ganking, just like zerging, ect. Some people aren't going to like it because it limits their perceived opportunities to win. That doesn't mean you are beholden to their opinions or that you need their "respect" to have fun. As long as you're not violating the ToS, you are in no way obligated to play the way they want you to because it hurts their feelings.
As for the night thing - wow, just wow. The amount of people here who cannot fathom other people having schedules outside their own is astonishing. I do wonder how people like that rationalize 24 hour services. People awake and active at night? Witchcraft! They must be insidious horrible creatures if they choose to play a game outside my hours of operation! The fiends!Edited by haelene on April 7, 2019 7:09AM2 -
Ariavellon✭✭✭
As for the night thing - wow, just wow. The amount of people here who cannot fathom other people having schedules outside their own is astonishing. I do wonder how people like that rationalize 24 hour services. People awake and active at night? Witchcraft! They must be insidious horrible creatures if they choose to play a game outside my hours of operation! The fiends!
Exactly this...well put sir
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Ufretin✭✭✭✭✭
As for the night thing - wow, just wow. The amount of people here who cannot fathom other people having schedules outside their own is astonishing. I do wonder how people like that rationalize 24 hour services. People awake and active at night? Witchcraft! They must be insidious horrible creatures if they choose to play a game outside my hours of operation! The fiends!
Can you imagine? I'm usually at work during prime time hours but I'm willing and able to play pvp late at night and in the morning.
And yet I rarely do so, because I appreciate challenging fights against other players and don't fancy repetitive sieging and killing npcs.
Witchcraft!Edited by Ufretin on April 7, 2019 10:40AM0 -
Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭On a populated campaign like viv, if you play the map competitively, you pretty much have to pvdoor or attempt to in order to take a keep. You have to target back keeps in pretty much "surprise attack" style otherwise you will always fail, I know this from my die hard bwb days. We would all stealth out and hide, wait till the coast was clear amd 50/50 the keep and the inner with 20/20 trebs take it down fast, and rep even faster. The pvp comes when you have half the faction come to take it back because you cut transit.
Pvdoor is used for people who come in on lopsided campaigns or into dead ones and flip the map. Like a 20 man guild raid goes into Shor and turns the map. That would be pvdoor since Shor doesn't tend to care about the map. On in the case of sotha where the map is competitive people get upset when a faction with high population flips undefended keeps, it's looked at as bad "sportsmanship"
My 2 centsEdited by Datthaw on April 7, 2019 10:53AM1
