pvdoor.... ???

AnnieBeGood

Will someone please define this?

sadownik

It means capturing objectives without any enemy player resistance.

Turelus

Generally I believe it refers to attacking keeps without players inside and avoiding PvP to gain objectives.

Normally use as a derogatory term for guilds which focus on campaign wins and tactics to that end rather than straight up PvP fights.

AnnieBeGood

So you knock on the door of the keep and ask if anyone is home?

Pixel_Zealot

@AnnieBeGood instead of pvp (player-vs-player) it's pvdoor (player-vs-door) as there aren't any players to resist you taking the door down and taking control of the objective.

Turelus

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

So you knock on the door of the keep and ask if anyone is home?

So like, this wasn't a serious thread?

Even with the chance of being a troll I am too nice to not be helpful an answer.

The term comes from the idea that you're using siege against the keep gates (doors) or walls, and effectively player verses door because it's the only fight that happens.

AnnieBeGood

Actually it was a serious question, because so many people say it with a derogatory tone..... if you can take a keep fast and increase your alliances hold on the ring and the other alliance are involved in something on the other side of the map, is this a bad thing?
If the keep is empty and you flip it you can break their resurrection abilities and they have to ride a long way to get it back. Meanwhile you can get to other areas of the map faster and take something else.
I can often go into Cyro and see the whole map has turned the wrong colour over night and we have to turn it back.
I thought the whole point of Cyro was to win the campaign, not have little skirmishes all over the map. To do that you have to work together, not individually.

Turelus

Generally from my years in Cyrodiil I noticed it came from people who were mad they couldn't farm my group.

It's the same as any other smack talk, people think they're better than you and want to insult you. If you're having fun and winning campaigns is what you enjoy, or using tactics like breaking lines etc. is what you enjoy then just keep doing it.

When you get told you PvDoor just remember, you're having fun, they're mad. You won again.

ArchMikem

If youre a large enough group running meta builds you can take keeps in minutes. A 5 man Battering Ram plus a few Ballista can take down keep doors very quickly, and by the time any kind of defenders show up, the keep is already captured.

hmsdragonfly

Turelus wrote: »

Generally I believe it refers to attacking keeps without players inside and avoiding PvP to gain objectives.

Normally use as a derogatory term for guilds which focus on campaign wins and tactics to that end rather than straight up PvP fights.

Or guilds that go online after midnight when everyone is sleeping and cap all the map. Always 2 sides of a coin.

AnnieBeGood

I am having fun, playing in Cyro is, to me, about strategy not how hard I can swing an axe. So if we can break the line, tag a keep and stop the endless tide of enemy pouring in, then that seems right.

Frankly if the enemy ignore an important link and we take it and thus stop the reinforcements - thats tactics. Maybe they should have put a small gank group on the obvious routes... always annoying, but fun.

I guess for those who find the axe swinging more satisfying then battlegrounds will fit the bill.

KingYogi415

Top players used to spend hours inside resources killing anyone who came in.

Resource towers had doors on them and everyone would cast right at it.

kuro-dono

eso community is split into... griefers, pvdoor aka one color heroes, call of duty warlords, small scalers, and faction loyalty ava players. some do their thing better, some worse.

Magdalina

It's smart when it gets used strategically to cut their transit or take an important keep half the map away to distract them, but it gets talked down on when it's all a guild/alliance does, take keeps and avoid actual player confrontation.

Cyrodiil is supposed to be players versus players, it's one thing when you "PvDoor" a keep in anticipation of a glorious PvP battle/to turn the tide in one, and another if it's the prime and only way you play in Cyro. There's also nightcapping when most everyone goes to sleep but a guild group will stay around and PvDoor literally the entire map, flipping it all overnight with 0 resistance. Now "nightcapping" is a bit weird because I know there're just people who play on different timezones(hell I do that myself a lot, very different timezone here) and want to get some action don when they can, but I also know there're guilds who specifically stay up all night sometimes just to PvDoor the map and I think it is kind of bad sports.

Belidos

When you get told you PvDoor just remember, you're having fun, they're mad. You won again.

Absolutely agree, "i'm out here enjoying myself, you're the one angry and obviously not enjoying it, jog on", plus if they were that bothered about groups attacking undefended keeps then they could always, you know, go defend them?

Turelus

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Generally I believe it refers to attacking keeps without players inside and avoiding PvP to gain objectives.

Normally use as a derogatory term for guilds which focus on campaign wins and tactics to that end rather than straight up PvP fights.

Or guilds that go online after midnight when everyone is sleeping and cap all the map. Always 2 sides of a coin.

From my experience (as someone who was in one of those guilds/alliances) this was generally all players who were unemployed or worked the night shifts and they didn't avoid fights if they could find them.

If you want to win a campaign however, you use everything you have which doesn't break ToS/EULA. It's not up to players to live by the rules of others.

dennissomb16_ESO

It mostly only becomes a sort of issue in under populated campaigns. Simply not enough people in a campaign and you can run around with a small group taking resources and keeps without ever seeing an enemy player. Add in some bad mechanics like dropping 4 ballistas around a ram (therefore counting as being on the ram) and you can flip a keep in a minute. Under populated campaigns can easily become nothing more then flipping without any real PvP happening. Not the end of the world but really really boring

Lieblingsjunge

PvDoor is mainly used when you end up fighting 24 people versus the Keep/Castle/Fort-NPCs and not actual players.
PvDoor is different from strategic thinking/planning, using it to tag keeps behind enemy lines to cut off reinforcements is in most cases not considered PvDoor.

The issue is when organised guild groups, with no intention of PvPing, but rather have that free 6k AP-tick(You can get ~70k AP/H by flipping keeps) does it. You can play cat and mouse with the enemies. Go to a scroll keep => 20 siege it down on main gate, takes ~1m tops to flip the keep. (How do you expect people to respond within 1 min of a keep getting attacked? Ain't happening). With 1 ram and ~15 ballistas it takes less than ~23s to take down a main gate.
Then once you flip the keep, you just repair the outer/inner main to ~50%. Then you get into sneak, leave the keep, goes to capture another keep while your first keep is being re-taken.

Aaaaand so it keeps going. You get 70k AP/Hour while basically sneaking away from every fight. -cough-. And since Cyrodiil is a PvP-area, this is usually viewed as something bad.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Generally it's pretty good strategy but, like a lot of things, if you don't do something the exact perfect way your opponent wants - resulting in an embarrassing death - you're the scrub.

Beardimus

I thought it referred to gate camping!!! TIL!

am suprised tho people have such a problem if it's taking empty resources etc as surely that's just tactical play.

People love to hate tho

Turelus

Beardimus wrote: »

I thought it referred to gate camping!!! TIL!

am suprised tho people have such a problem if it's taking empty resources etc as surely that's just tactical play.

People love to hate tho

I think part of it breeds from the frustrations of night capping, other other part is no one wants to fight an enemy who is avoiding them and taking all their stuff.

Still for me both of those have always been part of the wider tactical game of Cyrodiil. It's just a shame not as many people play to win campaigns any more so we don't have all the tactics and warfare we used to. these days it's stack at Chalman or the Bridge and just welp against one another over and over.

GreenhaloX

Easy way to get AP and complete the bounty board, I see.. Nothing wrong with that. Ha ha

Rohamad_Ali

I don't think anyone complains when you take a keep behind enemy line when it's normal play hours and a faction has a chance to make the decision to go back and defend . I think PvDoor refers to capping a campaign when no opposition is on , usually long after prime time . Everyone has their own definition but that's the only time I think the term is relevant .

Even in that situation I don't hear people complain unless someone brags about owning a map . Most times was when there would be a thread congratulating a new Emp that everyone knew happened real late when no opposition guilds were on .

AnnieBeGood

I thought it meant something like gate camping too..... sometimes when you break into a keep there are a couple of raids waiting for you... and they waited for you to break in.

Overnight capping can be annoying but honestly if the map was all red when I stopped playing mainly because there was nothing left to do and I came back the next day and it was still all red, well that's boring.

However this morning Azura was all blue, the blues were very strong. Great fun was had reclaiming as much as we could. And now we need the scrolls back please

Duelling is 1v1.... Battlegrounds will be 4v4, but Cyro is us against them.... imho anyway.

Nermy

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't think anyone complains when you take a keep behind enemy line when it's normal play hours and a faction has a chance to make the decision to go back and defend . I think PvDoor refers to capping a campaign when no opposition is on , usually long after prime time . Everyone has their own definition but that's the only time I think the term is relevant .

Even in that situation I don't hear people complain unless someone brags about owning a map . Most times was when there would be a thread congratulating a new Emp that everyone knew happened real late when no opposition guilds were on .

Yeah, it's capping keeps and crowning Emps when there is opposition on the whole map. It is derogatory but all part of the fun that is ESO PvP! lol

The latest term, I think it was coined by @prootch, WoodEmp. This is basically an Emp who was crowned through PvDooring...

hmsdragonfly

Turelus wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Generally I believe it refers to attacking keeps without players inside and avoiding PvP to gain objectives.

Normally use as a derogatory term for guilds which focus on campaign wins and tactics to that end rather than straight up PvP fights.

Or guilds that go online after midnight when everyone is sleeping and cap all the map. Always 2 sides of a coin.

From my experience (as someone who was in one of those guilds/alliances) this was generally all players who were unemployed or worked the night shifts and they didn't avoid fights if they could find them.

If you want to win a campaign however, you use everything you have which doesn't break ToS/EULA. It's not up to players to live by the rules of others.

Wait, if people work night shifts, they should be at work after midnight, right?

My experience says differently. There are indeed guilds that go online after midnight to cap all the map. Or campaigns if no population (there were many of them). Yeah they don't avoid fights, like that one fight where there was a single player who was afking inside a keep.

Doesn't say PvDoor is breaking ToS/EULA or something. If nightcapping is the way you have fun, go for it, I am not against it. They might not want to be better at the game, but it's their choices, as long as they have fun, it's all that matter.

Also, there used to be Bleaker roleplayers (that are considered PvDoorers), they take turns taking a keep for the AP.

Drakkdjinn

What people think they're doing fighting in Cyrodiil after midnight: PvP

What they actually do: PvDoor

You follow now?

disintegr8

So are some of you saying that taking a keep with no actual players in it is some form of cheating?
Or going into a campaign where the other factions are lightly populated and taken resources is somehow unfair?

As my first ever MMO, it always seemed to go against common sense to take a keep and then everyone just rolls on to the next objective, leaving the newly taken keep 'unguarded'. This is one of the things I dislike about PVP in ESO and why I can get bored very quickly with taking, losing and retaking keeps.

And as someone in Australia who is often on when campaigns are lightly populated, which is out of my control, I am under no obligation to restrict what I do just to keep everyone else happy.

DeadlyRecluse

Taking an undefended keep during active play isn't what I'd consider PvDoor--that's just playing the map.

Intentionally running enough players during off hours where you can flip the map against no or few defenders, that's PvDoor.

disintegr8

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

What people think they're doing fighting in Cyrodiil after midnight: PvP

What they actually do: PvDoor

You follow now?

Midnight where?

I do not do a lot of PVP but during the week I am always on after midnight everywhere in the U.S. What do you propose I do, not do PVP? Go to the EU server so I don't upset the NA players who want their beauty sleep?

ESO is a global game and we don't/can't all play according to the USA clock. Unless ZOS put a server in for those of us in the Asian, Australian and NZ regions, we will always be on either of the other servers at what locals would consider odd (or unfair) hours.

Nifty2g

quick definition

player vs door
when no one is in the campaign and all you do is fight keep doors