Templars - Tweak Aurora Javelin and Toppling Charge to have better synergy with the 8m knockback

Avran_Sylt

Note: I do not play Templar

So, since 8m is farther than basic AA range, as well as just on the verge of puncturing strikes range, how bout make these two abilities work well together as the "Stop touching me, I touch you" kind of deal.

Proposal:
Aurora Javelin: No longer deals additional damage based on distance traveled. However, applies minor main to the enemy for 5 seconds.
Toppling Charge: No longer interrupts abilities or sets casting enemies off balance, but always stuns and Deals up to 40% more damage based on the distance traveled.

So the combo would be Jav into Toppling Charge into Puncturing Strikes.

Minno

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Note: I do not play Templar

So, since 8m is farther than basic AA range, as well as just on the verge of puncturing strikes range, how bout make these two abilities work well together as the "Stop touching me, I touch you" kind of deal.

Proposal:
Aurora Javelin: No longer deals additional damage based on distance traveled. However, applies minor main to the enemy for 5 seconds.
Toppling Charge: No longer interrupts abilities or sets casting enemies off balance, but always stuns and Deals up to 40% more damage based on the distance traveled.

So the combo would be Jav into Toppling Charge into Puncturing Strikes.

Jav would be a welcome change if it applies minor main. But I wouldn't use it in a Dodge roll/reflect meta. Especially if reflected. Still not a reliable cc because of it's classification and counters.

Same goes for toppling charge. It's DMG is dodged because it's considered a single target ability. Therefore the cc is Dodged as well.

Also to note: Explosive charge always deals it's DMG due to it being an AOE attack. That's should remain.

There is a reason why shards change is so highly argued. It was our only reliable cc lol. Now we have to use DB.

Avran_Sylt

Minno wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Note: I do not play Templar

So, since 8m is farther than basic AA range, as well as just on the verge of puncturing strikes range, how bout make these two abilities work well together as the "Stop touching me, I touch you" kind of deal.

Proposal:
Aurora Javelin: No longer deals additional damage based on distance traveled. However, applies minor main to the enemy for 5 seconds.
Toppling Charge: No longer interrupts abilities or sets casting enemies off balance, but always stuns and Deals up to 40% more damage based on the distance traveled.

So the combo would be Jav into Toppling Charge into Puncturing Strikes.

Jav would be a welcome change if it applies minor main. But I wouldn't use it in a Dodge roll/reflect meta. Especially if reflected. Still not a reliable cc because of it's classification and counters.

Same goes for toppling charge. It's DMG is dodged because it's considered a single target ability. Therefore the cc is Dodged as well.

Also to note: Explosive charge always deals it's DMG due to it being an AOE attack. That's should remain.

There is a reason why shards change is so highly argued. It was our only reliable cc lol. Now we have to use DB.

Only suggesting a change to the single target one (Toppling), explosive would stay as is. Also, what's DB?

DisgracefulMind

They just need to make Toppling charge faster. It would become much more reliable that way. As it stands now it's slow and clunky.

Also revert the atrocious change they did to javelin.

Avran_Sylt

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

They just need to make Toppling charge faster. It would become much more reliable that way. As it stands now it's slow and clunky.

Also revert the atrocious change they did to javelin.

It's the same speed as Crit Rush, and Shield Charge.

Minno

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Note: I do not play Templar

So, since 8m is farther than basic AA range, as well as just on the verge of puncturing strikes range, how bout make these two abilities work well together as the "Stop touching me, I touch you" kind of deal.

Proposal:
Aurora Javelin: No longer deals additional damage based on distance traveled. However, applies minor main to the enemy for 5 seconds.
Toppling Charge: No longer interrupts abilities or sets casting enemies off balance, but always stuns and Deals up to 40% more damage based on the distance traveled.

So the combo would be Jav into Toppling Charge into Puncturing Strikes.

Jav would be a welcome change if it applies minor main. But I wouldn't use it in a Dodge roll/reflect meta. Especially if reflected. Still not a reliable cc because of it's classification and counters.

Same goes for toppling charge. It's DMG is dodged because it's considered a single target ability. Therefore the cc is Dodged as well.

Also to note: Explosive charge always deals it's DMG due to it being an AOE attack. That's should remain.

There is a reason why shards change is so highly argued. It was our only reliable cc lol. Now we have to use DB.

Only suggesting a change to the single target one (Toppling), explosive would stay as is. Also, what's DB?

Sorry, DB = dawnbreaker.

Avran_Sylt

Minno wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Note: I do not play Templar

So, since 8m is farther than basic AA range, as well as just on the verge of puncturing strikes range, how bout make these two abilities work well together as the "Stop touching me, I touch you" kind of deal.

Proposal:
Aurora Javelin: No longer deals additional damage based on distance traveled. However, applies minor main to the enemy for 5 seconds.
Toppling Charge: No longer interrupts abilities or sets casting enemies off balance, but always stuns and Deals up to 40% more damage based on the distance traveled.

So the combo would be Jav into Toppling Charge into Puncturing Strikes.

Jav would be a welcome change if it applies minor main. But I wouldn't use it in a Dodge roll/reflect meta. Especially if reflected. Still not a reliable cc because of it's classification and counters.

Same goes for toppling charge. It's DMG is dodged because it's considered a single target ability. Therefore the cc is Dodged as well.

Also to note: Explosive charge always deals it's DMG due to it being an AOE attack. That's should remain.

There is a reason why shards change is so highly argued. It was our only reliable cc lol. Now we have to use DB.

Only suggesting a change to the single target one (Toppling), explosive would stay as is. Also, what's DB?

Sorry, DB = dawnbreaker.

Oh. Gotcha.

DisgracefulMind

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

They just need to make Toppling charge faster. It would become much more reliable that way. As it stands now it's slow and clunky.

Also revert the atrocious change they did to javelin.

It's the same speed as Crit Rush, and Shield Charge.

No, it's really not. I recently did a test with someone and Crit rush was 1.8ish seconds while Toppling was 2.1ish seconds reaching the same target from the same distance.

You can't possibly have ever used Toppling and then used Crit Rush and can actually say Toppling isn't slower -_-

Shield charge I've never compared the speed, but it's far more reliable that Toppling. Toppling bugs out so often. It literally needs a ton of work.

Avran_Sylt

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

They just need to make Toppling charge faster. It would become much more reliable that way. As it stands now it's slow and clunky.

Also revert the atrocious change they did to javelin.

It's the same speed as Crit Rush, and Shield Charge.

No, it's really not. I recently did a test with someone and Crit rush was 1.8ish seconds while Toppling was 2.1ish seconds reaching the same target from the same distance.

You can't possibly have ever used Toppling and then used Crit Rush and can actually say Toppling isn't slower -_-

Shield charge I've never compared the speed, but it's far more reliable that Toppling. Toppling bugs out so often. It literally needs a ton of work.

Oh, wasn't aware of that. I had hopped on the PTS and used the three. Seemed similar, but I did not actually use a timer.

Poliwrath

Just bring back blazing spear's cc. They made a fully functional, fun skill useless.