Raise the Housing Item Limit?

Iron_Butterfly

Apologies if discussed before.

Some houses are huge or have huge grounds and the item limit eg 600 for Strident or Hundings is just way too low.

It doesn't allow for any imaginative designs - particularly garden designs and some interior decorating. For example, Strident has a huge garden area and the house interior tends to be dark. By the time you've added lanterns and plan some nice gardens, 600 items are used up and half the place is untouched. The problem must be huge with Earthtear or Tropical Island. In fact, it puts me off buying another large house.

There are many really nice options for plants and trees but 600 items really limits the possibilities - and even after adding 100 lights to the house and grounds to Strident, some areas are still unlit. I'm not talking lighting it up like Walmart, but just creating a nice ambient atmosphere.

Could we please consider increasing the limit? I understand Zenimax wants to make money by selling more houses, but what's the point in buying them if you can't decorate them properly.

A possible solution - adding a voucher to the cash shop or purchasable with writs that allows a player to expand the limit in their house - that way everyone wins. They did this in another game I played and it was a great solution.

Aurie

This subject has indeed been discussed before in several threads. But I (and a lot of other people) totally agree with you.

Maybe if there are enough threads @ZOS will get fed up with reading them (if they do) and actually do something about raising the item cap.

What they should be taking into account is that the higher the item limit, the more people are going to buy from the Crown Store. From what I've read, crafting your furniture is slow and expensive in mats, and prices at guild traders are astronomical. So there will always be a strong market for the Crown Store. @ZOS should recognise this, and act accordingly. It would keep them (from the revenue point of view) and the rest of us very happy.

Waseem

housing limit will not be increasing because some developers do not how to properly manage its effect on consoles.
look at maw of lorkhaj still unplayable after one year of its release
new trial will have the same problem until 2019 aswell.. i wouldnt expect any decent features before eso consoles servers shut down.

TheShadowScout

Indeed, it would make total sense if they offeret "housing expansions" in the crown store, so you can buy extra item capacity for your houses... extra 100 item packs... up to whatever they want, say, an extra 50% capacity? So your 600 item house could buy three more packs for an total of 900... possibly even up to doubling the initial capacity, perhaps...

Other options might be some load reduction features... like bookcases with an "inventory" tab where you can actually put books (and other bookcaseable stuff like scrolls, small hourglasses, potion bottles or skulls) in them, then have the filled bookcase count as only one "object" - with the books automatically placed so they are individually selectable... I know how much I'd want that...

Iron_Butterfly

Aurelle1 wrote: »

This subject has indeed been discussed before in several threads. But I (and a lot of other people) totally agree with you.

Maybe if there are enough threads @ZOS will get fed up with reading them (if they do) and actually do something about raising the item cap.

What they should be taking into account is that the higher the item limit, the more people are going to buy from the Crown Store. From what I've read, crafting your furniture is slow and expensive in mats, and prices at guild traders are astronomical. So there will always be a strong market for the Crown Store. @ZOS should recognise this, and act accordingly. It would keep them (from the revenue point of view) and the rest of us very happy.

Thanks Aurelle1 and you raise an excellent point about the cost of mats for crafting some of the items - particularly the higher end ones. At first I said I'd never buy furniture etc from the Crown Store but the outrageous AH prices and time required to harvest enough mats eg heartwood, makes the Crown Store suddenly attractive. Zenimax should exploit this ;-) - as well as increasing the limit. If Archeage can do it, surely Elder Scrolls Online can do it too.

Aurie

Well you'd think they would, wouldn't you? But Zenimax are an unfathomable law unto themselves.

However, it has been said that they are 'looking into' raising the limit. So you never know.....maybe in a decade or so! There is hope yet.

Kahsa

Totally agree with needing Limit Raise badly. I have the Mournoth medium house, and it is really pretty huge. You can't even place the most basic decor before running into item limit, leaving huge empty spaces inside and out. I didn't even know there was a limit till I tried adding some plates, silverware, food items, to the dining room table. The idea that consoles can't handle it is ridiculous, since Dev placed housing in the game world has lavishly decorated areas with all the little details needed to make it seem real. Apparently, ZOS isn't extending us the same courtesy.

I was really genuinely upset to discover these limits--I had been drifting away from the game but was finding renewed joy in the housing, particularly decorating them. I was organizing housing tour parties in guild, and planning for holiday decorating contests--looks like that's blown now. I would gladly pay for expanded item limit, same as for bank or backpack storage space.

Rainwhisper

Raising the item cap for housing is my number one hope for a future patch...by a far-and-away past any other item on my wish list.

ZeroZero77

Raise the Housing Item Limit?

Ohh yes please. Actuall housing is death for me.
* To low Item Limit
* Cant place my Twinks

Why should i start a larger House when i am not able to finish the smaller one

lunalitetempler

Yes this needs to be increased!

angelncelestine

I also had to go around my hundings house and take out a lot of the landscaping items just so I could put a few more decor items. I hope they do increase the item limit and it would also be nice if I could place more of my pets and mounts.

CirithValaria

+1

Especially the island needs more.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/341358/please-add-more-than-700-spaces-to-grand-topal-hideaway/p1

Aimora

Absolutely - sooner rather than later please

VonSwaego

Nerf housing. It's OP.

Daganerabus

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Indeed, it would make total sense if they offeret "housing expansions" in the crown store, so you can buy extra item capacity for your houses... extra 100 item packs... up to whatever they want, say, an extra 50% capacity? So your 600 item house could buy three more packs for an total of 900... possibly even up to doubling the initial capacity, perhaps...

Other options might be some load reduction features... like bookcases with an "inventory" tab where you can actually put books (and other bookcaseable stuff like scrolls, small hourglasses, potion bottles or skulls) in them, then have the filled bookcase count as only one "object" - with the books automatically placed so they are individually selectable... I know how much I'd want that...

No. We paid ENOUGH for the housing. We SHOULD NOT be NICKLED & DIME on this too!
This one should be GIVEN us. -- paying up to $140. Dollars real money for one place, and having bought multiple. C'mon! Give is a break already!

Bladerunner1

So what's the hold up with ZOS looking into item caps and player caps? There has been plenty of time to test.

I've been stacking max items and players with Cliffshade, with 400 items and twelve people inside a tiny living area. There has been no complaints from any visitors, older pcs handle it fine. Furniture loads in extremely fast, 20x faster than watching characters in a capital city load.

Goronir filled with 250 trees/ 350 structure/furniture puts more stress on the system, sometimes I dip to 30 fps. Some people who visit say it takes a few seconds longer to load, but once they're loaded into the area it works fine. The items are much bigger and more detailed, like giant cypress and summer oak. I'm curious to know what this would be like on the Xbox.

WarMasterCyp

Yeah the house size limits need to be increased all the furniture but can't place it for some reason...

PriorityBalle

#IncreaseHouseItemLimit

Pliz

IwakuraLain42

While I do understand the limitations due to the limits I can easily see how the current housing implementation is already struggling with showing the house. When I long on my medium size house (300 items) I can watch the system loading and drawing the assets for 10-20 sec (on a PS4 pro). The system (as implemented) doesn't scale very well ...

Saoirse_Siobhan

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Indeed, it would make total sense if they offeret "housing expansions" in the crown store, so you can buy extra item capacity for your houses... extra 100 item packs... up to whatever they want, say, an extra 50% capacity? So your 600 item house could buy three more packs for an total of 900... possibly even up to doubling the initial capacity, perhaps...

I would suggest doubling the initial capacity for everyone first at no cost. So for example for Hunding's Palatial Hall would become 600 slots for non-subbers and 1200 for subbers. And anything extra would be like bag/bank space : for gold (would have to be expensive and create another gold sink I guess) or for Crowns. I'm aware that they need to make money, but as it is now it's just ridiculous. Subbers complain that even 600 isn't enough, so even if you increased the non-sub limit to 600, it would still be an incentive to sub/buy more slots.

Erris

My house (Hunding's Palatial Hall) is "full" yet sparse and doesn't feel at all like a home to me. I need at least double or triple the items there. I don't even want to return, as it's just depressing, empty, and lonely. What's the point of a house if we can't put enough things in it so it feels "lived in"... ?? I still have empty rooms in it. Please give us more slots!

Shadzilla

@Iron_Butterfly https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347925/poll-for-zos-are-you-happy-with-the-number-of-housing-slots-to-furnish-your-home#latest

Saoirse_Siobhan

Erris wrote: »

My house (Hunding's Palatial Hall) is "full" yet sparse and doesn't feel at all like a home to me. I need at least double or triple the items there. I don't even want to return, as it's just depressing, empty, and lonely. What's the point of a house if we can't put enough things in it so it feels "lived in"... ?? I still have empty rooms in it. Please give us more slots!

@Erris Out of curiosity, is this with ESO+ (600 slots)?

Erris

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

@Erris Out of curiosity, is this with ESO+ (600 slots)?

@TheWhiteDarkness Yes, ESO+. I'd be crying even harder if I didn't have that.

Saoirse_Siobhan

Erris wrote: »

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

@Erris Out of curiosity, is this with ESO+ (600 slots)?

@TheWhiteDarkness Yes, ESO+. I'd be crying even harder if I didn't have that.

Yep, I'm trying to "decorate" Hunding's Palatial Hall with 300 slots *screams*. It's depressing and just reaffirms my comment from above. Double the item limit for everyone!!

Prince_Apollon

Indeed, this'd be awesome!

reiverx

The item limit is far too low. Very frustrating.

Arundo

Yes please !

OmniDo

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

While I do understand the limitations due to the limits I can easily see how the current housing implementation is already struggling with showing the house. When I long on my medium size house (300 items) I can watch the system loading and drawing the assets for 10-20 sec (on a PS4 pro). The system (as implemented) doesn't scale very well ...

This is most likely due to render limits of the graphics engine.
Contrary to popular misconception, the open world isnt necessarily full of thousands upon thousands of individually rendered items.
Large structures are typically "meshes"; a process where individual polygons are "combined" to form a single polygon object which typically requires less graphic engine render power and less memory.

Imagine hundreds of thousands of players loading into their various houses, each with 700 items or more...the database query on the server would probably be quite ridiculous.
That said, there should be no logical reason why this process cannot be optimized or improved from their end.
Technology is after all, improving.

altemriel

Iron_Butterfly wrote: »

Apologies if discussed before.

Some houses are huge or have huge grounds and the item limit eg 600 for Strident or Hundings is just way too low.

It doesn't allow for any imaginative designs - particularly garden designs and some interior decorating. For example, Strident has a huge garden area and the house interior tends to be dark. By the time you've added lanterns and plan some nice gardens, 600 items are used up and half the place is untouched. The problem must be huge with Earthtear or Tropical Island. In fact, it puts me off buying another large house.

There are many really nice options for plants and trees but 600 items really limits the possibilities - and even after adding 100 lights to the house and grounds to Strident, some areas are still unlit. I'm not talking lighting it up like Walmart, but just creating a nice ambient atmosphere.

Could we please consider increasing the limit? I understand Zenimax wants to make money by selling more houses, but what's the point in buying them if you can't decorate them properly.

A possible solution - adding a voucher to the cash shop or purchasable with writs that allows a player to expand the limit in their house - that way everyone wins. They did this in another game I played and it was a great solution.

yes please ZOS!!! the caps are totally low now, please at least double them, triple for ESO+ !!!

@ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Wreuntzylla

OmniDo wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

While I do understand the limitations due to the limits I can easily see how the current housing implementation is already struggling with showing the house. When I long on my medium size house (300 items) I can watch the system loading and drawing the assets for 10-20 sec (on a PS4 pro). The system (as implemented) doesn't scale very well ...

This is most likely due to render limits of the graphics engine.
Contrary to popular misconception, the open world isnt necessarily full of thousands upon thousands of individually rendered items.
Large structures are typically "meshes"; a process where individual polygons are "combined" to form a single polygon object which typically requires less graphic engine render power and less memory.

Imagine hundreds of thousands of players loading into their various houses, each with 700 items or more...the database query on the server would probably be quite ridiculous.
That said, there should be no logical reason why this process cannot be optimized or improved from their end.
Technology is after all, improving.

They could simply move housing client side and have the client take fixed snapshots of the multiple item creations for when other players visit. Not like there is anything worth worrying about over instanced housing exploits. Maybe to avoid x-rated creations I suppose.