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Executes need to be fixed/adressed
Br1ckst0n
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All the executes with a %-bonus get next to no benefit from thaumaturge/master at arms/elemental expert/mighty due to some changes to the cp calculation. The new formular can be found here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/340367/impact-of-mage-champion-point-rebalances.
Here example values from impale (no cp means they are in an aspect that give the ability no benefit):
Non execute no cp: 4134
Non execute 100 ele: 4754
Execute no cp: 16536
Execute 100 ele: 17156
As you can see the ability gets the full 15% damage bonus from elemental expert while outside of execute range. Once the target drops to execute range the bonus of elemental expert goes down to 3.7%.
I suggest a rework on how the % boni on the execute gets calculated so they properly work with cp.
Edited by Br1ckst0n on May 11, 2017 11:31AM Here example values from impale (no cp means they are in an aspect that give the ability no benefit):
Non execute no cp: 4134
Non execute 100 ele: 4754
Execute no cp: 16536
Execute 100 ele: 17156
As you can see the ability gets the full 15% damage bonus from elemental expert while outside of execute range. Once the target drops to execute range the bonus of elemental expert goes down to 3.7%.
I suggest a rework on how the % boni on the execute gets calculated so they properly work with cp.
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Br1ckst0n✭✭✭Only executes that arent affected to my knowledge are Mages Fury and Implosion (passive).Offtank of the year 20165
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✭It's not only execute, it's all % increase based damage. All execute beside sorcerer's one are concerned, but also sweeps/jabs.0 -
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✭✭✭Only executes that arent affected to my knowledge are Mages Fury and Implosion (passive).
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Darkdex✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, Are you aware of this? Any ETA for fixing it?
Because (again) Nightblades (along with templars) are going to be affected (even more).
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Darkdex✭✭✭Also @Br1ckst0n Do you have any screenshots supporting this? If you upload them maybe it will get fixed earlier.
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Erynyes✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, Are you aware of this? Any ETA for fixing it?
Because (again) Nightblades (along with templars) are going to be affected (even more).
can we list that as a DK buff as well
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✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
btw, my comment was a joke about how all the nerfs were written up as buffs in the patch notes.0 -
Br1ckst0n✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
It was pretty obvious since the sorc ones just state a bonus damage number for execute instead of a percentage increase like most other executes. And that also presents a pretty easy fix for them aswell.Edited by Br1ckst0n on May 11, 2017 4:45PMOfftank of the year 20160 -
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Meanwhile, my comment wasn't jokeSugaroverdose wrote: »
btw, my comment was a joke about how all the nerfs were written up as buffs in the patch notes.Edited by Sugaroverdose on May 11, 2017 4:47PM0 -
cschwingeb14_ESO✭✭✭✭It's been that way all along, this isn't anything new. It's already baked into the parse
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Br1ckst0n✭✭✭cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »It's been that way all along, this isn't anything new. It's already baked into the parse
+% damage modifiers stack additively, and a +330% damage bonus overshadows +25% thaumaturge
CP isnt additively on live though. Of course the way executes work didnt change.
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Lum1on✭✭✭All the executes with a %-bonus get next to no benefit from thaumaturge/master at arms/elemental expert/mighty due to some changes to the cp calculation. The new formular can be found here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/340367/impact-of-mage-champion-point-rebalances.
Here example values from impale (no cp means they are in an aspect that give the ability no benefit):
Non execute no cp: 4134
Non execute 100 ele: 4754
Execute no cp: 16536
Execute 100 ele: 17156
As you can see the ability gets the full 15% damage bonus from elemental expert while outside of execute range. Once the target drops to execute range the bonus of elemental expert goes down to 3.7%.
I suggest a rework on how the % boni on the execute gets calculated so they properly work with cp.
You are correct that executes do not benefit from CP's (or any other % boosts, e.g. Combat prayer) basically at all. But why is that? Yes, someone already mentioned here that it's because of % modifiers stack additively. And that means:Tested without any gear or any other skill/passive - just Impale and 100p in either Blessed or Elemental expert to get the same amount of magicka in both cases
Tooltip: 2 012
Tooltip (100p Elemental expert, 15,0%): 2 313 // 2012 * 1,15
Mitigation: 74,12% // 1-(18200-100-5160)/50000In case you want to know how to calculate that mitigation I suggest you to check out Asayre's theyrcrafting post on Tamriel's foundry
I did the tests first and here are the results for non-execute phase (first value is 100p in Blessed and second one is in Elemental expert):
Non-critical: 1 491, 1 714
Critical: 2 237, 2 572
And from there we can see that the difference indeed is 15,0% like you mentioned as well. But when we get to the execute phase something happens:
Non-critical: 5 965, 6 188
Critical: 8 948, 9 282
The difference is only 3,7%. But that DOES NOT mean Elemental expert wouldn't work. It does, it is just calculated differently. And below I will explain how it works;
Like mentioned earlier some % damage modifiers stack additively. This means you can't basically calculate almost anything directly from the tooltip because it has applied some modifiers already. In this case, Elemental expert affects the tooltip increasing it by 15,0%. But when we calculate the execute damage we can't simply multiply the tooltip by 4 (300,0%) because that is not additive. So we calculate the damage from the original tooltip (2012):Non-critical: 2012 * (1 + 3 + 0,15) * 0,74120 = 6189 Critical: 2012 * (1 + 3 + 0,15) * 1,5 * 0,74120 = 9283
Yes, there are 1 damage difference between the calculations and in-game recorded damage but that is simply because of rounding errors - so no error there2012: default tooltip
(1 + 3 + 0,15); 1: default, 3: 300,0% from the tooltip, 0,15: 15,0% from Elemental expert
0,74120: 74,12% mitigation
1,5: 50% critical damage multiplier
If we would use the tooltip we see when we have those 100p in Elemental expert the values would be 6858 (non-critical) and 10286 (critical) which is not true.
So no, there's nothing wrong with executes (except that Templars Radiant destruction and its morphs do not benefit from inferno staves' 8,0% single-target damage boost).
EDIT: Some clarifications and cleaning up.Edited by Lum1on on May 12, 2017 6:09AMPC EU: @Lum1on1 -
Draqone✭✭✭✭Aaaah, so this is the hidden sorc buff we have all been waiting for! ESO Balance:
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✭✭✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
That is true. But it's funny that even if sDK equipped Reverse Slice/Executioner you are still getting screwed compared to Sorcerer.0 -
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