Zerg Squad playing EP now, WTF'eh?

MagnusRex · May 2017

Nermy wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Lars, we push DC because you are second and usually during primetime, have more keeps than anyone. If I see AD have only 2-3 keeps and DC have 7-8, who do you think we're gonna push mate? lol!

We have bigger ambitions then, and that is to win the campaign. Logic dictates that to have a chance to win a campaign those lagging behind have to go on the leader. If people act that way all alliances will have a chance to win the campaign. Your approach helps AD to their continous subscription on first place.

prootch wrote: »

MagnusRex wrote: »

People should just fight where they want to fight. There should be no logic. If i want drakelow as DC i´ll take it, no matter what the rest of the alliance thinks of it.

Rofl... coordination lvl0

You teach him all you know Prootch?

I don´t want to become a mindless zerger

Avaglaor · May 2017

LarsS wrote: »

We have bigger ambitions then, and that is to win the campaign. Logic dictates that to have a chance to win a campaign those lagging behind have to go on the leader. If people act that way all alliances will have a chance to win the campaign. Your approach helps AD to their continous subscription on first place.

Its your approach that is helping AD then.

AD has an average of 80-90 points for a few hours every morning, if you want to have a chance to win the campaign then you need to "steal" points from AD at the prime time...

Having EP defending/trying to retake Chalman/Kings while AD getting BRK/Drake you just pushing EP deeper to the bottom without closing the gap that you really need from AD.

We are off topic tho^^
Good job ZS on what you do even if I dont like that kind of "PvP?"

prootch · May 2017

MagnusRex wrote: »

I don´t want to become a mindless zerger

learn to play AvA would be better ^^ don't remain a mindless pug

Magıc · May 2017

LarsS wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Lars, we push DC because you are second and usually during primetime, have more keeps than anyone. If I see AD have only 2-3 keeps and DC have 7-8, who do you think we're gonna push mate? lol!

We have bigger ambitions then, and that is to win the campaign. Logic dictates that to have a chance to win a campaign those lagging behind have to go on the leader. If people act that way all alliances will have a chance to win the campaign. Your approach helps AD to their continous subscription on first place.

And then Prootch and co take all of EP's keeps. Good solid plan from EP there....

Biro123 · May 2017

Morostyle wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Traitors! Faction hackers!

Yesh! But lets face it - PVP for us got boring in the end.. EP and DC were avoiding us, especially the premades... *Yawn*
On prime time we went PVdoor with 0 inc...

And since EP is the weakest factions... It was time.

#FULLFIST AD!

Is simply because people know you. And it seems people have finally learned... So often zone chat is like..

"ZS at Bleakers.. "
"Theyr'e just farming - ignore them and they'll go away"

I mean you guys are so good at what you do - there is literally no point trying to stop you. It takes the whole faction - and then we lose every other keep while doing so.. So ignore you, you get bored and go away.

It IS the thing that's destroying PVP. Can't dispute that - but I don't blame you for it either. There will always be people looking for the most effective tactics in any PVP game - and once those tactics are discovered/practiced/honed, they dominate.

Eventually the casuals (that includes me - I don't mean it derogatory) get sick of being farmed - and just avoid. And no, we won't 'git gud' for many, many reasons..

1. Simply don't like the blob playstyle
2. Don't have time
3. Don't have enough people with regular dedicated playtimes to form a focused team
4. When all the above is overcome, still don't have anywhere near the practice and time at honing builds as you guys - so it doesn't work anyway and people go back to pugging.

This happens in EVERY SINGLE MMO game with PVP - and it always leads to the death of PVP.

Either you guys realise that and change for the good of PVP longevity - or you keep doing what you do and the game dies. Yes, you can justifiably put up your hand and say its not our fault PVP is dying - we're just doing it well. Which is true from a pure game-mechanics perspective. But from a player psychology perspective (and that's what makes people decide to leave, right?) You can decide to take social responsibility or not.

If you don't, then the next step is obviously for you to try to force combat (which you do sometimes) by taking a key keep (like Glade) and farming inside for as long as possible.. Well - that just stops people getting to the action anywhere else - and those that just want to avoid you - what do they do instead? They'll have one or 2 goes at trying to oust you - then give up - and since there's nowhere else to go, log off. RIP Cyro.

At the end of the day, Chivalry was an idea created by the Church to give the powerful a conscience so society was allowed some kind of longevity..

LarsS · May 2017

Avaglaor wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

We have bigger ambitions then, and that is to win the campaign. Logic dictates that to have a chance to win a campaign those lagging behind have to go on the leader. If people act that way all alliances will have a chance to win the campaign. Your approach helps AD to their continous subscription on first place.

Its your approach that is helping AD then.

AD has an average of 80-90 points for a few hours every morning, if you want to have a chance to win the campaign then you need to "steal" points from AD at the prime time...

Having EP defending/trying to retake Chalman/Kings while AD getting BRK/Drake you just pushing EP deeper to the bottom without closing the gap that you really need from AD.

Hm you are arguing with the wrong person. TDA is going on AD or defends homekeeps, you will have great difficulties spotting us in EP lands.

The blaming game between EP and DC will solve nothing, only a change in behavoir does.

Valencer · May 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Morostyle wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Traitors! Faction hackers!

Yesh! But lets face it - PVP for us got boring in the end.. EP and DC were avoiding us, especially the premades... *Yawn*
On prime time we went PVdoor with 0 inc...

And since EP is the weakest factions... It was time.

#FULLFIST AD!

Is simply because people know you. And it seems people have finally learned... So often zone chat is like..

"ZS at Bleakers.. "
"Theyr'e just farming - ignore them and they'll go away"

I mean you guys are so good at what you do - there is literally no point trying to stop you. It takes the whole faction - and then we lose every other keep while doing so.. So ignore you, you get bored and go away.

It IS the thing that's destroying PVP. Can't dispute that - but I don't blame you for it either. There will always be people looking for the most effective tactics in any PVP game - and once those tactics are discovered/practiced/honed, they dominate.

Eventually the casuals (that includes me - I don't mean it derogatory) get sick of being farmed - and just avoid. And no, we won't 'git gud' for many, many reasons..

1. Simply don't like the blob playstyle
2. Don't have time
3. Don't have enough people with regular dedicated playtimes to form a focused team
4. When all the above is overcome, still don't have anywhere near the practice and time at honing builds as you guys - so it doesn't work anyway and people go back to pugging.

This happens in EVERY SINGLE MMO game with PVP - and it always leads to the death of PVP.

Either you guys realise that and change for the good of PVP longevity - or you keep doing what you do and the game dies. Yes, you can justifiably put up your hand and say its not our fault PVP is dying - we're just doing it well. Which is true from a pure game-mechanics perspective. But from a player psychology perspective (and that's what makes people decide to leave, right?) You can decide to take social responsibility or not.

If you don't, then the next step is obviously for you to try to force combat (which you do sometimes) by taking a key keep (like Glade) and farming inside for as long as possible.. Well - that just stops people getting to the action anywhere else - and those that just want to avoid you - what do they do instead? They'll have one or 2 goes at trying to oust you - then give up - and since there's nowhere else to go, log off. RIP Cyro.

At the end of the day, Chivalry was an idea created by the Church to give the powerful a conscience so society was allowed some kind of longevity..

Maybe the other PvP guilds need to 'git gud' and actually learn to fight them. Not rocket science

Biro123 · May 2017

Valencer wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Morostyle wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Traitors! Faction hackers!

Yesh! But lets face it - PVP for us got boring in the end.. EP and DC were avoiding us, especially the premades... *Yawn*
On prime time we went PVdoor with 0 inc...

And since EP is the weakest factions... It was time.

#FULLFIST AD!

Is simply because people know you. And it seems people have finally learned... So often zone chat is like..

"ZS at Bleakers.. "
"Theyr'e just farming - ignore them and they'll go away"

I mean you guys are so good at what you do - there is literally no point trying to stop you. It takes the whole faction - and then we lose every other keep while doing so.. So ignore you, you get bored and go away.

It IS the thing that's destroying PVP. Can't dispute that - but I don't blame you for it either. There will always be people looking for the most effective tactics in any PVP game - and once those tactics are discovered/practiced/honed, they dominate.

Eventually the casuals (that includes me - I don't mean it derogatory) get sick of being farmed - and just avoid. And no, we won't 'git gud' for many, many reasons..

1. Simply don't like the blob playstyle
2. Don't have time
3. Don't have enough people with regular dedicated playtimes to form a focused team
4. When all the above is overcome, still don't have anywhere near the practice and time at honing builds as you guys - so it doesn't work anyway and people go back to pugging.

This happens in EVERY SINGLE MMO game with PVP - and it always leads to the death of PVP.

Either you guys realise that and change for the good of PVP longevity - or you keep doing what you do and the game dies. Yes, you can justifiably put up your hand and say its not our fault PVP is dying - we're just doing it well. Which is true from a pure game-mechanics perspective. But from a player psychology perspective (and that's what makes people decide to leave, right?) You can decide to take social responsibility or not.

If you don't, then the next step is obviously for you to try to force combat (which you do sometimes) by taking a key keep (like Glade) and farming inside for as long as possible.. Well - that just stops people getting to the action anywhere else - and those that just want to avoid you - what do they do instead? They'll have one or 2 goes at trying to oust you - then give up - and since there's nowhere else to go, log off. RIP Cyro.

At the end of the day, Chivalry was an idea created by the Church to give the powerful a conscience so society was allowed some kind of longevity..

Maybe the other PvP guilds need to 'git gud' and actually learn to fight them. Not rocket science

See, I knew that was coming..

Valencer · May 2017

But it's true. DC has plenty of guilds running around during prime time and some of them are very old and (supposedly) experienced.

Maybe youre having trouble identifying them because theyre often running in the middle of the DC alliance swarm?

Biro123 · May 2017

Valencer wrote: »

But it's true. DC has plenty of guilds running around during prime time and some of them are very old and (supposedly) experienced.

Maybe youre having trouble identifying them because theyre often running in the middle of the DC alliance swarm?

Usually its a case of bouncing off ZS a few times then people just wanting to go elsewhere (ie farming pugs). And on the odd time you do win - there's always a camp nearby and they're back within seconds. Makes it all seem a bit pointless.

The reality is that human nature always leads you to the path of least resistance.. This is especially true with being a game. People don't want to do 'hard' when they can easily have fun (win) by farming pugs instead.

I remember the days of ZS and Necrotic Lagg farming around Ales farm for hours at a time.. Studiously avoiding each other - both focussing on the pugs...

I think another factor too is that many of the DC guilds are either too small or play the campaign. Playing the campaign while ZS are farming at Bleakers - means taking Ales/Roe.. (or more to the point, defending Ales against the AD zerg, while all the DC pugs get farmed at Bleakers)

And besides, if one did become dedicated enough to knock the stuffing out of ZS every time they met - is that really solving anything or is it just creating another ZS with nobody to fight other than the pugs who were too slow to get out of their way ..?

AbraXuSeXile · May 2017

Valencer wrote: »

But it's true. DC has plenty of guilds running around during prime time and some of them are very old and (supposedly) experienced.

Maybe youre having trouble identifying them because theyre often running in the middle of the DC alliance swarm?

For exile when we start group which is only 2 days a week at the moment, we immediately go to the other side of the map. There are very rare cases that we go back.

Its not my way to go hit another guild with allies on them, even though sometimes my conscience disappears

Its the dc pugs that need learn what to do, playing like zombies is what gets you farmed.

Biro123 · May 2017

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

But it's true. DC has plenty of guilds running around during prime time and some of them are very old and (supposedly) experienced.

Maybe youre having trouble identifying them because theyre often running in the middle of the DC alliance swarm?

For exile when we start group which is only 2 days a week at the moment, we immediately go to the other side of the map. There are very rare cases that we go back.

Its not my way to go hit another guild with allies on them, even though sometimes my conscience disappears

Its the dc pugs that need learn what to do, playing like zombies is what gets you farmed.

And it seems they have learned - mostly, if its true that ZS are struggling to find a fight now.

MagnusRex · May 2017

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Its the dc pugs that need learn what to do, playing like zombies is what gets you farmed.

problem is that most of them don't want to learn how to play because they "like what they're doing".

SHADOW2KK · May 2017

kuro-dono wrote: »

Morostyle wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Traitors! Faction hackers!

Yesh! But lets face it - PVP for us got boring in the end.. EP and DC were avoiding us, especially the premades... *Yawn*
On prime time we went PVdoor with 0 inc...

And since EP is the weakest factions... It was time.

#FULLFIST AD!

i think you need gentlereminderthat.most.ppl.want.just.casually.kill.everyone.instead.of.adhd.lv.ap.farming.ppl.at.nikel.
when i led raid, our focus was mainly to.make sure.your.raid.farming was.least.pleasant.as.possible.call.it.tryharding.if.you.wish.
because.of.ppl.like.you.eso.pvp.is.where.it.is.as.zenimax.isnt.reinforcing.fairgame/fun/letshavefuntogether.elements.

if we just/could/get/you/shittyhumanbeings to play.allbyyourself.life .couldbetolerable.

sorry my.spacebar.is.dying.so.i.have.to.type.like.this.

Lol, peoples idea of fun is up to them, still pvdooring with scrubs in azuras foxey?, you always fall apart and your raids fighting against groups, only use for you in pvp imo is pvdooring so real groups can actually do the fighting.

But never mind, you keep pvdooring with your mindless pugs and keep spreading the love in noobzura

kwisatz · May 2017

If "learn 2 play" means playing that [sap essence - eye of flame - grothdarr - detonation - vicious death - take back - rince and repeat] thing again and again, no thank you, I rather be bad.

Miruku · May 2017

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

kuro-dono wrote: »

Morostyle wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Traitors! Faction hackers!

Yesh! But lets face it - PVP for us got boring in the end.. EP and DC were avoiding us, especially the premades... *Yawn*
On prime time we went PVdoor with 0 inc...

And since EP is the weakest factions... It was time.

#FULLFIST AD!

i think you need gentlereminderthat.most.ppl.want.just.casually.kill.everyone.instead.of.adhd.lv.ap.farming.ppl.at.nikel.
when i led raid, our focus was mainly to.make sure.your.raid.farming was.least.pleasant.as.possible.call.it.tryharding.if.you.wish.
because.of.ppl.like.you.eso.pvp.is.where.it.is.as.zenimax.isnt.reinforcing.fairgame/fun/letshavefuntogether.elements.

if we just/could/get/you/shittyhumanbeings to play.allbyyourself.life .couldbetolerable.

sorry my.spacebar.is.dying.so.i.have.to.type.like.this.

Lol, peoples idea of fun is up to them, still pvdooring with scrubs in azuras foxey?, you always fall apart and your raids fighting against groups, only use for you in pvp imo is pvdooring so real groups can actually do the fighting.

But never mind, you keep pvdooring with your mindless pugs and keep spreading the love in noobzura

Oh boi its the fight of useless pugs.

poietin · May 2017

The raid lead always sounds like he is on the brink of total meltdown. I wonder if his day job is an auctioneer.

Takllin · May 2017

kwisatz wrote: »

If "learn 2 play" means playing that [sap essence - eye of flame - grothdarr - detonation - vicious death - take back - rince and repeat] thing again and again, no thank you, I rather be bad.

What, are you going to dizzy spam or jabs spam or something instead?

kuro-dono · May 2017

and here the vicious sircle coming to round 9559593 still wondering why eso pvp sucks. tho i am pleased to see there are more ppl these days around who actually wants to have FUN, instead of zerging them n00bs/slow ppl down, or getting gut and being elite small scaler hugging trees, bolt escaping, and trolling people.

but nah, who am i kidding.

had 2 almost good pvp nights at azura this week, managed to avoid them choo choo:ers, occasionally wannabesuperstar aoe bomber around but overall it was nice fun pvp against both factions. for some reason most action was related still around bleakers/chalman or nikel. so to get action somewhere else to divert from the usual location had to horsesimulator bit. first kingscrest pvdoor capture resulted in fairly big red semiorganized raid inc, but after ninja recapture managed to get tons of casual fun. i guess the zerg got bored of playing cat and mouse game with us so they didnt come second time or even third time. ended up having good fun with ebons average and pug raids dying and killing without really dominating except after kings had been burning for 1h or so, then the raid arrived to leech the tick.

shockingly, not too many covenants arrived there, still too busy running from bleakers to chalman milegate, die and repeat.

i recon eso pvp needs campaign now where there is no ap reward from kills. and no rewards either if no enemy players killed.
OH WELL. i will keep dreaming. SEE YA!

Lexxypwns · May 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

i think sanct is the most animated leader ive ever heard

i feel the care

RHM?

Sanct is like bizzarro Crystalized

prootch · May 2017

Magıc wrote: »

And then Prootch and co take all of EP's keeps. Good solid plan from EP there....

Avoid speaking about what you dont know little woodemp sister.

BraidasNM · May 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

i think sanct is the most animated leader ive ever heard

i feel the care

RHM?

Sanct is like bizzarro Crystalized

never heard either of them. but i remember ppl saying rhm was a ragey frenchman so if sanct is french sure lol

prootch · May 2017

Sanct isn't french, you ragey hole

Never heard of you either.

Master_Kas · May 2017

prootch wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

And then Prootch and co take all of EP's keeps. Good solid plan from EP there....

Avoid speaking about what you dont know little woodemp sister.

Actually he's one of few players who I haven't seen woodcaping. And I should know

Magıc · May 2017

prootch wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

And then Prootch and co take all of EP's keeps. Good solid plan from EP there....

Avoid speaking about what you dont know little woodemp sister.

Pretty hard to "woodemp" as I play EP whenever we're not raiding. Unless you're claiming EP are also woodemps too? @prootch

Morostyle · May 2017

Everything and everyone is woodemp/PVDoor before 9 PM (french prime time)
Thought you knew that already Magic.

And Prootch, I haven't been pushing for emp, EVER

I just happend to be rank 1 on AD side.
And for a week now, I havent touched my AD char, even tho its emp - since we rerolled EP.

So get over yourself hootch already and lets have some fun action in game

Hexys · May 2017

@prootch

_._

prootch · May 2017

Magic... that's why I said woodemp - sister - ^^ and we go for AD everynight... just in case ^^

Now as far as primetime is concerned, tda, da and blackswords usually begin between 8 and 9pm... then if you prefer fighting empty keeps, be our guest, you can go for spawn keeps during dinner and brag about empty keeps again ^^

And Moro you are much welcome to stick whatever you like in

but don't ever think playing EP for a week would erase your own woodemp bs. Since you were actually seen in the AD blob woodcaping.

Now going EP has been certainly the most clever choice of Sanct lately... much more fun on the campaign.

Etaniel · May 2017

prootch wrote: »

Magic... that's why I said woodemp - sister - ^^ and we go for AD everynight... just in case ^^

Now as far as primetime is concerned, tda, da and blackswords usually begin between 8 and 9pm... then if you prefer fighting empty keeps, be our guest, you can go for spawn keeps during dinner and brag about empty keeps again ^^

And Moro you are much welcome to stick whatever you like in but don't ever think playing EP for a week would erase your own woodemp bs. Since you were actually seen in the AD blob woodcaping.

Now going EP has been certainly the most clever choice of Sanct lately... much more fun on the campaign.

I'm starting to think you have a massive crush on Sanct, sucking on his .... at every chance you get

Sanct16 · May 2017

Etaniel wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

Magic... that's why I said woodemp - sister - ^^ and we go for AD everynight... just in case ^^

Now as far as primetime is concerned, tda, da and blackswords usually begin between 8 and 9pm... then if you prefer fighting empty keeps, be our guest, you can go for spawn keeps during dinner and brag about empty keeps again ^^

And Moro you are much welcome to stick whatever you like in but don't ever think playing EP for a week would erase your own woodemp bs. Since you were actually seen in the AD blob woodcaping.

Now going EP has been certainly the most clever choice of Sanct lately... much more fun on the campaign.

I'm starting to think you have a massive crush on Sanct, sucking on his .... at every chance you get

Tbf, who doesn't