BSW nerf

MCBIZZLE300

I knew this day was coming, I'm just going to go back to julianos and be done with it. I don't want to spend days on end grinding more gear sets, its all very well saying this will bring more diversity for sets but they don't take into account the mindless grinding it takes to acquire them. I just want to enjoy the games content, I'm just going to settle for less damage.

Turelus

mcb123 wrote: »

I knew this day was coming, I'm just going to go back to julianos and be done with it. I don't want to spend days on end grinding more gear sets, its all very well saying this will bring more diversity for sets but they don't take into account the mindless grinding it takes to acquire them. I just want to enjoy the games content, I'm just going to settle for less damage.

I took this stance on my return, had way more fun not chasing the meta and just playing with crafted gear whilst casually going for some better sets.

Also has there been a parse on the DPS of BSW yet, it's still superior to a lot of the static 400 damage sets from what I noticed.

MCBIZZLE300

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Turelus

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

Qbiken

Will copy my text of what I wrote on Another thread regarding the same topic:

[/So just because some theorycrafters once found out that BSW would be considered BiS it deserved a nerf?? Just because the majority of players use a certain set/sets does it deserve a nerf?? The answer is no

There will always be set(s) considered BiS that the majority of players will use. The so called "diversity" is created by yourself, not my ZOS. All sets can´t perform equal in all situations, that´s not balance and neither is it diversity if everything is on the same level for all content/purpose (sry for lack of proper word to describe it) There´s no logic in nerfing stuff just because it´s popular or BiS. If that was the case we would have to nerf half of the sets in the game.....

It´s another thing to nerf stuff if they´re overperforning or not working as intended, that I´m all for. But was BSW "overperforming"? Not really if you ask me. It sure is/was a strong set, but once again: Just because something is considered "the best" and is the most used set, doesn´t mean it needs a nerf/fix. quote]

MCBIZZLE300

Agreed, I've got a feeling necro's going to follow shortly.

darkllord

If I may ask, how was/will be BSW nerfed? I was out of ESO for few weeks now and I did not find any ibfo about it.

Qbiken

darkllord wrote: »

If I may ask, how was/will be BSW nerfed? I was out of ESO for few weeks now and I did not find any ibfo about it.

Nerf to procrate and spelldamage.

MCBIZZLE300

proc rate nerfed to 15% from 20% and damage to 525 from 600.

phileunderx2

*throws newly acquired sharpened inferno staff into the trash.*
Why we can't have nice things.

stevepdodson_ESO888

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

kuro-dono

if ppl just could play the game without being obsessed of clearing dungeon in 15min instad of 18min...

thank god i never bothered to farm that set. felt bit sily that everyone and their grandmother were inside normal city of ash farming, since jewelry of the set just... sucked. lol that.

Vildebill

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Ehm no, magic damage is magic damage. Fire, frost and shock damage is something different and War Maiden will not boost those.

GDOFWR420

Been a magical dk since day one for me and I never even tried this set. Heard good things though. Guess I'll just keep the twice born and sun set.

Nelson_Rebel

Vildebill wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Ehm no, magic damage is magic damage. Fire, frost and shock damage is something different and War Maiden will not boost those.

TF lol spell damage affects ALL magic casted damage. Where are you hearing this misinformation?

jakeedmundson

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Ehm no, magic damage is magic damage. Fire, frost and shock damage is something different and War Maiden will not boost those.

TF lol spell damage affects ALL magic casted damage. Where are you hearing this misinformation?

Its not adding spell damage...

the set specifically adds 400 spell damage TO your magic abilities... just like netch's touch does for lighting damage abilities.

In other words... it will not buff engulfing flames or burning claws on the dk
It will not buff liquid lightning or mages wrath on the sorc

it WILL buff spear shards and radiant oppression on the templar though.

Rjizzle09

Idk wjy everyone is saying bsw is out lol It still will be bis for elite endgame content until we get the major slayer sets. Even if it was nerfed to 400 spell damage and 10% proc chance it STILL would out perform anything currently available. It procs all the time at 20% so 15 % isnt that bad at all. It gives you free spell damage and applies burning effect to the target which makes wall of elements hit harder. Scathing mage and julianos still wont compete with this set unless it was nerfed to 300 spel damage and 5% proc chance then maybe. 75 spell damage loss and minus 5% proc chance is literally nothing lol

Keep_Door

Its not that big a of a deal

Nelson_Rebel

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Ehm no, magic damage is magic damage. Fire, frost and shock damage is something different and War Maiden will not boost those.

TF lol spell damage affects ALL magic casted damage. Where are you hearing this misinformation?

Its not adding spell damage...

the set specifically adds 400 spell damage TO your magic abilities... just like netch's touch does for lighting damage abilities.

In other words... it will not buff engulfing flames or burning claws on the dk
It will not buff liquid lightning or mages wrath on the sorc

it WILL buff spear shards and radiant oppression on the templar though.

So is magic not used to cast those elemental abilities? That's essentially what you're saying

Fallen_Ray

It's not worth it. It never is. I never took interest on dropped sets for this very reason. Getting them on the traits you need thanks to the game's lousy rng is just mortifying. My Sorcerer uses only crafted sets all gold & willpower accessories. And the dps is really good. Good enough to get me through the game's content.

Over-performing sets will always be nerfed so it's not worth to waste precious time getting them. Since time is the only unrecoverable resource.

TheStealthDude

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Ehm no, magic damage is magic damage. Fire, frost and shock damage is something different and War Maiden will not boost those.

TF lol spell damage affects ALL magic casted damage. Where are you hearing this misinformation?

Its not adding spell damage...

the set specifically adds 400 spell damage TO your magic abilities... just like netch's touch does for lighting damage abilities.

In other words... it will not buff engulfing flames or burning claws on the dk
It will not buff liquid lightning or mages wrath on the sorc

it WILL buff spear shards and radiant oppression on the templar though.

So is magic not used to cast those elemental abilities? That's essentially what you're saying

The set buffs magic-type damage, which is different from fire-type or lightning-type damage
It is basically equivalent to Silks of the Sun in that regard. What you are referring to is magicka, which is different from magic-type damage.

Nelson_Rebel

TheStealthDude wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Ehm no, magic damage is magic damage. Fire, frost and shock damage is something different and War Maiden will not boost those.

TF lol spell damage affects ALL magic casted damage. Where are you hearing this misinformation?

Its not adding spell damage...

the set specifically adds 400 spell damage TO your magic abilities... just like netch's touch does for lighting damage abilities.

In other words... it will not buff engulfing flames or burning claws on the dk
It will not buff liquid lightning or mages wrath on the sorc

it WILL buff spear shards and radiant oppression on the templar though.

So is magic not used to cast those elemental abilities? That's essentially what you're saying

The set buffs magic-type damage, which is different from fire-type or lightning-type damage
It is basically equivalent to Silks of the Sun in that regard. What you are referring to is magicka, which is different from magic-type damage.

Ahh very well.


How odd since everything is casted by magic

TheStealthDude

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

TheStealthDude wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Ehm no, magic damage is magic damage. Fire, frost and shock damage is something different and War Maiden will not boost those.

TF lol spell damage affects ALL magic casted damage. Where are you hearing this misinformation?

Its not adding spell damage...

the set specifically adds 400 spell damage TO your magic abilities... just like netch's touch does for lighting damage abilities.

In other words... it will not buff engulfing flames or burning claws on the dk
It will not buff liquid lightning or mages wrath on the sorc

it WILL buff spear shards and radiant oppression on the templar though.

So is magic not used to cast those elemental abilities? That's essentially what you're saying

The set buffs magic-type damage, which is different from fire-type or lightning-type damage
It is basically equivalent to Silks of the Sun in that regard. What you are referring to is magicka, which is different from magic-type damage.

Ahh very well.


How odd since everything is casted by magic

The in-game descriptions of stuff like this definitely leave a lot to be desired, for sure.

DjMuscleboy02

GDOFWR420 wrote: »

Been a magical dk since day one for me and I never even tried this set. Heard good things though. Guess I'll just keep the twice born and sun set.

You definitely still want this.
1) It's still going to be very good.
2) Especially on Magdk where every ability you use can proc it.
3) 3 willpower, grothdar, and sharpened staves are better than the sun set.

Lord_Eomer

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

I use fire destro on backbar and lightning on front, I find it procs just enough for it to be viable to use in its current 20% chance. Can't they just bring some other sets up a bit to make it more ''diverse''.

Nothing is going to make the game diverse because the top theory crafters and streamers will say what's best and everyone will just use that.

Also ZOS has said on ESO Live before the reason they nerf rather than buff is because if you just keep buffing you end up with a power creep where you just bring every up and up over and over.

From my understanding and what I heard Alcast saying the other week BSW benefits from its ability to be multiplied by potions and skills where's the regular 400 x damage sets don't.
So you already get generic spell damage not related to a type (unlike sun, netch, etc.), you can buff that damage further with skills and you apply burning. On a 15% chance any time you do fire damage, that's still very strong you just won't have as much uptime as previous.

So the real test is does the lower uptime mean a lower overall DPS than just having sun or something equipped, however you're only going to get the bonus damage on a typed damage there not all your damage.

new set coming that buffs all magic damage done, so can be used on anything, fire, lightning, ice, magic...this will be the goto set

i just thought there is that Succession Set from VMA that might be viable too

Dude u need to spend sometime learning damage in ESO