Nightblade is dps class why the worst dps then?

DivyathFyr

Im curious stam is much better on other classes so its mag than a nb but a nb is a pure dps class how come its the worst then i dont understand

Smmokkee

Sometime ago we started getting nerfed and it hasn't stopped. Leading up to this patch some people were expecting a nb buff.. (Lol) instead we took a nerf to one of our class defining skills and now it's useless.

ParaNostram

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Smmokkee

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

ParaNostram

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

STEVIL

Honestly i thought of Nb more of being focused around utility than straight DPS with all of its offensive heals, (de)buffs and stealth related capabilities.

not that any class is shackled to any single role in ESO, except by players.

GuyNamedSean

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Yeah, the game is always being balanced for that purpose, but if they really wanted to set it up as something other than DKs as tanks, Sorcs as Magicka DPS, NBs as stamina DPS, and Temps as healer, then they should have made all four classes like the Warden is going to be. One skill tree expressly for tanking, one skill tree expressly for DPS with stamina morphs, and one skill tree expressly for healing.

You can build any class to any role, but it's blatantly apparent that this wasn't the original idea for the game.

VampiricByNature

Unfortunately, a few things are wrong with the nb imo. I can only really speak on mag nb in trials. This is JUST my opinion.

For starters, mag nb always had to work with merciless resolve. Managing the bow skill was always a lot more of a pain than say.. sorc, crystal frags. So for trials, most already chose sorc given a choice. Swallow souls doesn't out-dps force pulse so they don't have a unique spammable. [Templar sweeps, dk whips] But that should be fine because neither do sorcs. But their aoe doesn't compare to sorcs or dk. Now with the nerf to siphoning attacks which made them easy maintain.. RIP.

With a hard working rotation, trying for perfection, my magnb can't touch my lazy rotation on my sorc. The passives and dots put nbs at a huge disadvntage vs other classes. Some of their unique abilities make them an utter annoyance in pvp. I think the class idea itself may need a rework in order to make it effective in both areas without making it too OP in one or the other.

I agree with @STEVIL - i used to love the utility of a magnb. I remember at launch on console, we would want magnb for the off heals and the damage mit of veil of blades. That's just not what people want in trials anymore.

Smmokkee

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

I highly doubt the problem with nightblades is the mentality and lack of creativity. It's rather the fact that we have been getting *** on patch after patch with nothing to compensate. It's take, take, take. You cant sit here and honestly tell me the siphoning strikes nerf was needed or even called for when class skills like dark exchange go untouched. Grim Focus was suppose to get changed and it never did.

If you want to act like everythings fine and, good because you enjoy the game, whatever. But I intend to defend the class I've loved since I started playing this game despite zos wanting me to hate it. Don't forget ZoS said they wanted this to be some kind of useless sneaking class so you're point to build every class to do every role is a little far fetched especially when there is a class out there that can do it all better then you.

ParaNostram

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

I highly doubt the problem with nightblades is the mentality and lack of creativity. It's rather the fact that we have been getting *** on patch after patch with nothing to compensate. It's take, take, take. You cant sit here and honestly tell me the siphoning strikes nerf was needed or even called for when class skills like dark exchange go untouched. Grim Focus was suppose to get changed and it never did.

If you want to act like everythings fine and, good because you enjoy the game, whatever. But I intend to defend the class I've loved since I started playing this game despite zos wanting me to hate it. Don't forget ZoS said they wanted this to be some kind of useless sneaking class so you're point to build every class to do every role is a little far fetched especially when there is a class out there that can do it all better then you.

Evidence that this is not true - my magblade performs with the best of them.

I cannot comment on stam, I truly just suck at playing stamina characters.

STEVIL

VampiricByNature wrote: »

Unfortunately, a few things are wrong with the nb imo. I can only really speak on mag nb in trials. This is JUST my opinion.

For starters, mag nb always had to work with merciless resolve. Managing the bow skill was always a lot more of a pain than say.. sorc, crystal frags. So for trials, most already chose sorc given a choice. Swallow souls doesn't out-dps force pulse so they don't have a unique spammable. [Templar sweeps, dk whips] But that should be fine because neither do sorcs. But their aoe doesn't compare to sorcs or dk. Now with the nerf to siphoning attacks which made them easy maintain.. RIP.

With a hard working rotation, trying for perfection, my magnb can't touch my lazy rotation on my sorc. The passives and dots put nbs at a huge disadvntage vs other classes. Some of their unique abilities make them an utter annoyance in pvp. I think the class idea itself may need a rework in order to make it effective in both areas without making it too OP in one or the other.

I agree with @STEVIL - i used to love the utility of a magnb. I remember at launch on console, we would want magnb for the off heals and the damage mit of veil of blades. That's just not what people want in trials anymore.

i definitely agree that it seems to me so very very very much of the various flavors of rage and outrage i see are driven by the small broom closet of content (compared to the ESO mansion) that is end-game group/trial leaderboard chasers for hard mode and even some vet. The "one percenters" (where a 1% difference/deficit is " deserving of major huge terribad end of the world OMG how stupid can..." type reaction) make up a small percentage pof the playerbase but have a much larger volume in the forum spew and streamer crazes.

Add to that the well known and recently evidenced trends of crowds to follow the loudest and you get some of the mismatches we see.

Smmokkee

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

I highly doubt the problem with nightblades is the mentality and lack of creativity. It's rather the fact that we have been getting *** on patch after patch with nothing to compensate. It's take, take, take. You cant sit here and honestly tell me the siphoning strikes nerf was needed or even called for when class skills like dark exchange go untouched. Grim Focus was suppose to get changed and it never did.

If you want to act like everythings fine and, good because you enjoy the game, whatever. But I intend to defend the class I've loved since I started playing this game despite zos wanting me to hate it. Don't forget ZoS said they wanted this to be some kind of useless sneaking class so you're point to build every class to do every role is a little far fetched especially when there is a class out there that can do it all better then you.

Evidence that this is not true - my magblade performs with the best of them.

I cannot comment on stam, I truly just suck at playing stamina characters.

That's great bud.

STEVIL

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

I highly doubt the problem with nightblades is the mentality and lack of creativity. It's rather the fact that we have been getting *** on patch after patch with nothing to compensate. It's take, take, take. You cant sit here and honestly tell me the siphoning strikes nerf was needed or even called for when class skills like dark exchange go untouched. Grim Focus was suppose to get changed and it never did.

If you want to act like everythings fine and, good because you enjoy the game, whatever. But I intend to defend the class I've loved since I started playing this game despite zos wanting me to hate it. Don't forget ZoS said they wanted this to be some kind of useless sneaking class so you're point to build every class to do every role is a little far fetched especially when there is a class out there that can do it all better then you.

Sorry but i must have kissed the part in the post you quoted where anything even close to "everythings fine and good" was even implied must lest stated or acted like.

Can you point it out or does anyone who doesn't agree with your crisis-de-jour just get thrown into that easy-to-not-think-hard box of yours?

Also can you please provide a cite where you can show ZOS saying they wanted NB to be useless or "some kind of useless sneaking class" or is the "useless" just a characterization you are working in there based on your bias as far as "sneaking class" goes?

pretty sure i have seen more than one thread about using Nb to sneak thru chest hunting some of the harder content. So maybe not everyone feels sneaking and useless are synonymous if indeed that reflects your bias and not a direct quote from ZOS.

Please recall, hyperbole is a choice, not a requirement and it is useful as a contrast element rhetorically not as a mainstay core premise/foundation to build an argument on.

Smmokkee

STEVIL wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

I highly doubt the problem with nightblades is the mentality and lack of creativity. It's rather the fact that we have been getting *** on patch after patch with nothing to compensate. It's take, take, take. You cant sit here and honestly tell me the siphoning strikes nerf was needed or even called for when class skills like dark exchange go untouched. Grim Focus was suppose to get changed and it never did.

If you want to act like everythings fine and, good because you enjoy the game, whatever. But I intend to defend the class I've loved since I started playing this game despite zos wanting me to hate it. Don't forget ZoS said they wanted this to be some kind of useless sneaking class so you're point to build every class to do every role is a little far fetched especially when there is a class out there that can do it all better then you.

Sorry but i must have kissed the part in the post you quoted where anything even close to "everythings fine and good" was even implied must lest stated or acted like.

Can you point it out or does anyone who doesn't agree with your crisis-de-jour just get thrown into that easy-to-not-think-hard box of yours?

Also can you please provide a cite where you can show ZOS saying they wanted NB to be useless or "some kind of useless sneaking class" or is the "useless" just a characterization you are working in there based on your bias as far as "sneaking class" goes?

pretty sure i have seen more than one thread about using Nb to sneak thru chest hunting some of the harder content. So maybe not everyone feels sneaking and useless are synonymous if indeed that reflects your bias and not a direct quote from ZOS.

Please recall, hyperbole is a choice, not a requirement and it is useful as a contrast element rhetorically not as a mainstay core premise/foundation to build an argument on.

His whole post pretty much implies NBs are fine and good. I think you need to re-read this whole thread, lul. He even suggests the problem is the playerbase creativity and mentality. Like.. What?

Last ESO live they said they wanted to make the class more useful through sneaking like in pvp.

RT_Frank

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

Seriously? Are you telling me that when you look at a graph, you point to the outliers for results instead of the line of best fit? Just because there are a few exceptions (and the few is emphasized here) to a rule doesn't mean that they define it. I don't even remember the last time I had an non-templar healer and I'm sure most people here can say the same.

Templars have (or used to have) advantages in healing. Sorcs have advantages in dpsing. If someone can't compete with the meta, it doesn't mean that they are not creative it means that they are at a disadvantage. Just because you can overcome that doesn't mean it's fair that the other 90% or so magblades have to work 3x as hard to overcome a disadvantage that sorcs never have.

technohic

My problem with nightblade is I find lack of identity as far as offense. It all seems to be around elusiveness as it should; but what it does around that is not there.

Stamblade; IMO the problem is cloak, shade, and fear are all magicka so you wind up relying too heavy on your off pool for that elusive play style that helps in PVP but not worth much in PVE. There are some decent stam abilities but there's not as much as far as group utility the other classes have as far as buffing the group. My Stamplar while not the best DPS, offers minor fractures/ breach and a stored burst, another purge source, and a stam(for now) and health restore for the group.

My problem with magblade is in identity. You have the resources to teleport in and teleport out but what really hits harder up close compared to just staying at range with siphoning attacks procing merciless resolve like a poor mans sorc? Looking at the teleport and escape it feels like I should close in but it's not rewarding.

Also as we go toward a meta where heavy attacks are relied on for resources management; charging a heavy staff attack in melee does not sound appealing since it's slower. Still thinks there needs to be a magic melee weapon which would benefit all classes that have magicka melee abilities which I think would be more towards NB, DKs, and Templars rather than sorcs who have the better range and kiting utility

dday3six

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

I'd argue the problem is players with the mentality that creative application can overcome flat statistical advantages. The dps potential and group benefits for NB is lower than other the classes. This isn't a matter of lacking the innovation, rather a lack of enough solid class skills, and the clunky rotative nature of Grim Focus. Not matter how the Spectral Bow is used it's a DPS loss. A bar filled with non-class skills limits access to class passives. Class passives and skills which don't benefit the group, plainly don't benefit it.

Tasear

It's getting boring that it's all about DPS.

Tommy_The_Gun

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Yes. That should be the point... but in reality we have:
Dragonknight - best Tank
Templar - best healer
Sorcerer - best DPS
Nightblade - best ...... ? Doing thieves guild & dark brotherhood quests ? ? ? NB was supposed to have best "focus" dmg (single target dmg - just like a typical assassin have).

You can have a NB tank, healer or DPS but it will never be as good as other classes in their specific roles.

But soon we will have warden that probably will be best at everything....

DivyathFyr

I got both stam nb and stam dk should i stick to my dk since thats goong to be a little better than nb in morowind i think?

Shardaxx

When they remove the stealth attack damage bonus I think that's going to hurt my nb a lot. What's the point of having a bunch of skills tied to stealth attacks if there's no damage bonus? We'll still get an automatic critical but since a lot of people have high crit anyway, thats no great shakes. Crazy decision I hope they reverse it.

hmsdragonfly

RT_Frank wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

Seriously? Are you telling me that when you look at a graph, you point to the outliers for results instead of the line of best fit? Just because there are a few exceptions (and the few is emphasized here) to a rule doesn't mean that they define it. I don't even remember the last time I had an non-templar healer and I'm sure most people here can say the same.

Templars have (or used to have) advantages in healing. Sorcs have advantages in dpsing. If someone can't compete with the meta, it doesn't mean that they are not creative it means that they are at a disadvantage. Just because you can overcome that doesn't mean it's fair that the other 90% or so magblades have to work 3x as hard to overcome a disadvantage that sorcs never have.

Templar DPS was the meta last patch (or the one before), not sorc, if I remember correctly. And they will still have the advantages in healing.

hmsdragonfly

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Yes. That should be the point... but in reality we have:
Dragonknight - best Tank
Templar - best healer
Sorcerer - best DPS
Nightblade - best ...... ? Doing thieves guild & dark brotherhood quests ? ? ? NB was supposed to have best "focus" dmg (single target dmg - just like a typical assassin have).

You can have a NB tank, healer or DPS but it will never be as good as other classes in their specific roles.

But soon we will have warden that probably will be best at everything....

You mean "average".

Galwylin

I still think if not for PvP, their damage probably wouldn't have taken hit after hit in these patches. Sorcerers are the glass cannons only they wear steel. Nightblades are the BB guns of Tamriel only they're the ones actually made of glass. But damage is nerf all of the time on them because they can surprise people and people do not like surprises. Its unfair to be able to kill someone while their sitting on their horse reading a map. The keep hitting free cursor instead of M and that's a form of cheating. So, put away your map, grab a drink, and then you can deal with that nightblade is how its supposed to run.

Shadzilla

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/342362/rip-nightblades-assuming-they-were-alive-at-one-point#latest

Integral1900

One reason may be that night blades, being assassin themed, tend to be very good at nuking one target into the ground rather than aoe which makes up most of pve, with a two handed weapon though I can't say I've had too much trouble with using them

Mordenkainen

Integral1900 wrote: »

One reason may be that night blades, being assassin themed, tend to be very good at nuking one target into the ground rather than aoe which makes up most of pve, with a two handed weapon though I can't say I've had too much trouble with using them

Except they do not and every of the other classes is laughing at your post there right now.

Gargath

For me Nightblade is a one shot killer, assassin and thief while Sorc and Templar are AOE DOT classes, at least all my alts are working this way and I like it.

ParaNostram

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Yes. That should be the point... but in reality we have:
Dragonknight - best Tank
Templar - best healer
Sorcerer - best DPS
Nightblade - best ...... ? Doing thieves guild & dark brotherhood quests ? ? ? NB was supposed to have best "focus" dmg (single target dmg - just like a typical assassin have).

You can have a NB tank, healer or DPS but it will never be as good as other classes in their specific roles.

But soon we will have warden that probably will be best at everything....

Warden feedback is across the board. Some say it's OP some say it's just eh at everything at once, some say it's just right.

Yeah I mean people who don't know how to play to a class's strengths and be unique and creative about their character and just follows whatever build they see on youtube or what the Meta tells them is good, then of course things will always fall into those categories. My Magblade actually does have my best single target DPS and not insignificant AoE DPS. She's also just tricky for me to play.

I really think people underestimate the psychological effect of worshipping the Meta and listening to the priests of the Meta. You already believe that _____ is just better than you at that so that effects how you perform. There have been tests where simply reminding people of a stereotype beforehand can effect performances (a math test on women where one group was reminded of the stereotype of women being supposedly bad at math and thus performed worse as a result as compared to the control group that was told nothing at all).

If you learn your class and master it, you can do anything you want on it. Will there be others that might do it better than you? Sure, nature of competition some people will play better. However, as I have said, I've seen NB healers outheal Templar, I've seen Sorcs tank better than DKs, I've been personally reached out to and asked how I do such high DPS on my Magblade. I never look at the meta, I never take advice from others, I just sit down and look at the class and create something that suits how I play. Enjoying your play style and believing in yourself goes a long way to improving your performance.

KingJ

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

RT_Frank wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Are you kidding me?

The problem is mentality and lack of creativity. I've been here since the second wave of beta invites and I can tell you this is the way the game is. Some classes might have an inherent advantage in some roles but that doesn't mean they're a ___ class. I've seen NB healers outperform templar healers, I've been able to successfully offheal on my sorc since the changes to pets. Every class is capable of having solid DPS both stam and mag. Right now stam dk's might be king of the meta but that doesn't mean stamblades can't fill the role, that doesn't mean a solid magblade can't get ridiculous DPS (spoiler, that's what my magblade does)

Seriously? Are you telling me that when you look at a graph, you point to the outliers for results instead of the line of best fit? Just because there are a few exceptions (and the few is emphasized here) to a rule doesn't mean that they define it. I don't even remember the last time I had an non-templar healer and I'm sure most people here can say the same.

Templars have (or used to have) advantages in healing. Sorcs have advantages in dpsing. If someone can't compete with the meta, it doesn't mean that they are not creative it means that they are at a disadvantage. Just because you can overcome that doesn't mean it's fair that the other 90% or so magblades have to work 3x as hard to overcome a disadvantage that sorcs never have.

Templar DPS was the meta last patch (or the one before), not sorc, if I remember correctly. And they will still have the advantages in healing.

Templar wasn't meta they were just acceptable trial group comp were 2 magic dk 2 magplar 4 magic sorc. With the Nerf to RD which wasn't that big lower magplar execute DPS and the increase of Sorc AOE DPS made magplar DPS loss there place and teams to add more magsorc.Only reason teams still use 2 magdk is for VMol most teams us 7 magsorc 1 magdk for the flame damage buff.

Smmokkee

ParaNostram wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

*eyerolls at the thought of a "DPS class"*

The point of ESO is you can build any class to do any role. Come on. Stop thinking this is a WoW clone

Yes. That should be the point... but in reality we have:
Dragonknight - best Tank
Templar - best healer
Sorcerer - best DPS
Nightblade - best ...... ? Doing thieves guild & dark brotherhood quests ? ? ? NB was supposed to have best "focus" dmg (single target dmg - just like a typical assassin have).

You can have a NB tank, healer or DPS but it will never be as good as other classes in their specific roles.

But soon we will have warden that probably will be best at everything....

Warden feedback is across the board. Some say it's OP some say it's just eh at everything at once, some say it's just right.

Yeah I mean people who don't know how to play to a class's strengths and be unique and creative about their character and just follows whatever build they see on youtube or what the Meta tells them is good, then of course things will always fall into those categories. My Magblade actually does have my best single target DPS and not insignificant AoE DPS. She's also just tricky for me to play.

I really think people underestimate the psychological effect of worshipping the Meta and listening to the priests of the Meta. You already believe that _____ is just better than you at that so that effects how you perform. There have been tests where simply reminding people of a stereotype beforehand can effect performances (a math test on women where one group was reminded of the stereotype of women being supposedly bad at math and thus performed worse as a result as compared to the control group that was told nothing at all).

If you learn your class and master it, you can do anything you want on it. Will there be others that might do it better than you? Sure, nature of competition some people will play better. However, as I have said, I've seen NB healers outheal Templar, I've seen Sorcs tank better than DKs, I've been personally reached out to and asked how I do such high DPS on my Magblade. I never look at the meta, I never take advice from others, I just sit down and look at the class and create something that suits how I play. Enjoying your play style and believing in yourself goes a long way to improving your performance.

Jesus, this is completely beside the point.

And I've never seen a nb outheal a templar. You must of seen a potatoplar.