Lol lets talk SORC

Lord_MK

So.. this thread has one purpose. What do all think ZOS needs to do EXACTLY to nerf sorc. But I'm not done as there's a catch. Whatever you say has to make sense you can't just propose a nerf that'll break the class xD. I'm actually a stamina sorc and I'd love to hear what people say

Sugaroverdose

When you read patch notes and still shield stacking with dark deal are here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKRhxvmtass
PS: it's youtube vid, pretty stupid that they was disabled on forums

West93

Play a solo magplar or magdk and compare their sustain in No CP Pvp to your stamsorc.

Lord_MK

West93 wrote: »

Play a solo magplar or magdk and compare their sustain in No CP Pvp to your stamsorc.

No I'm very aware sustain is *** on those classes. But this game remember . You have to create your own sorc patch notes

Rohamad_Ali

Sorc wasn't even really touched aside frags . I would like to see the same approach to all classes instead of nerfing another . The changes in CP and recovery gains was enough .

MehrunesFlagon

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sorc wasn't even really touched aside frags . I would like to see the same approach to all classes instead of nerfing another . The changes in CP and recovery gains was enough .

Yes, this. No more nerfs. There were enough this patch already.

Zaryc

I'd love to see the other classes buffed a little bit instead of nerfing everything into the ground aswell, but I doubt ZOS will do that. If they aren't buffing the other classes, think they should do this:

1. Reduce the ressources gained from Dark Deal by ~50% OR give it something like the Streak treatment.
2. Make Harden Ward not stack with Harness Magicka (Major and Minor Ward, Harden Ward and Harness Magicka would become Major Ward, Healing Ward would become Minor Ward).
3. Change Haunting Curse back to Velocious Curse (Curse stacking on yourself from multiple Sorcs is just crazy rightnow, especially in small scale and solo PvP).
4. Change the Streak treatment back to the old cost increase, a not stacking cost increase, but increase the cost increase to ~60%.

Let me know what you think about these ideas!

Hurika

Nothing any sorc would like but my 2 cents....

Idea 1 (adjust actual values to what makes sense)

• Shields converted to a toggle with no more that 1 active at a time.
• Shields will absorb 50% of all incoming damage but reduce outgoing damage by 15%
• Shields will drain 500 magic/second or drain magica similar to how blocking works
• Morph 1 (defensive oriented) - increase absorb to 75% but reduce outgoing damage by 25%
• Morph 2 - (offensive oriented) - decrease absorb to 40% with no outgoing damage penalty

Idea 2 (tweak as necessary)

• Prosperous weapon trait will be replaced with Focused. Allows 25% of your damage to bypass magical shields.

Idea 3 (tweak as necessary)

• The damage that ranged sorc spells (maybe all classes?) is scaled based on the distance to target scaling from 50% at point blank to 100% at 20 meters and above.

Idea 4

• Scaling cost to cast shields (similar to dodge roll) or magic does not regen while a shield is up (similar to block)

Idea 5

• Bleeds/Dots bypass shields

VonSwaego

No amount of nerfs/buffs will appease the players. Make a damage cap of 5000. On every skill every class. Then we can all suck together.

DragonBound

Why is everyone complaining about dark deal? That is a stamina morph calling out nerf will not solve much, and it will ruin stamina sorcs forever. It is not stamina that is op.

Zaryc

DragonBound wrote: »

Why is everyone complaining about dark deal? That is a stamina morph calling out nerf will not solve much, and it will ruin stamina sorcs forever. It is not stamina that is op.

Dark Deal ist just a synonym for Dark Exchange and it's morphs. Also, the sustain you get as a stam Sorc is indeed OP.

D0ntevenL1ft

Hurricane passive can no longer trigger implosion

Malic

Idea 1.

Roll back servers to pre craglorn.

Then we can fill the lake up with the tears from "STREAK IS OP"

Sorc has come a long way baby, just say no to nerfs !

SleepyTroll

Dark Deal: No longer grants free cc immunity upon being interrupted and to better align the skill with other channeled abilities the cost is deducted upon initial cast.

Dev Notes:
This will be a nerf if you just watched a you tube video and rolled a sorc and run around cyro using dd without any care.

Over Load: Fix of longstanding bug that aloud sorcerers to change the skills on their overload bar.

Dev Notes:
This was an oversight and undermined the original design of ESO. Each character should only have access to 6 ability slots per weapon bar, we apologizes this was not fixed sooner.

Lich: The resource regen from this set is removed when weapon swapping.

Dev Notes: In fact lets do this to all sets that give a 5 piece bonus that you used to be able back-bar.

Cold91

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Dark Deal: No longer grants free cc immunity upon being interrupted and to better align the skill with other channeled abilities the cost is deducted upon initial cast.

Dev Notes:
This will be a nerf if you just watched a you tube video and rolled a sorc and run around cyro using dd without any care.

Over Load: Fix of longstanding bug that aloud sorcerers to change the skills on their overload bar.

Dev Notes:
This was an oversight and undermined the original design of ESO. Each character should only have access to 6 ability slots per weapon bar, we apologizes this was not fixed sooner.

Lich: The resource regen from this set is removed when weapon swapping.

Dev Notes: In fact lets do this to all sets that give a 5 piece bonus that you used to be able back-bar.

Damn, I wish every single one of these changes would happen. They Would go along way to bringing sorc in-line with every other class in a fair and balanced way.

TheHsN

here u should NERF people who still want NERF

Derra

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Lich: The resource regen from this set is removed when weapon swapping.

Dev Notes: In fact lets do this to all sets that give a 5 piece bonus that you used to be able back-bar.

By that logic you should loose master bow backbar bonuses aswell as maelstrom staffs or similar things aswell?

I think one of the contributing factors why templars and DKs can´t utilize staff builds currently is that most builds are not competetive without two 5p bonuses with 2 undaunted - because they need different 5p bonuses than a sorc or magblade needs.
This change would just reduce build variety further.

MCBIZZLE300

Enough with the nerfs, they should just buff other classes rather an nerfing others into the ground

Lieblingsjunge

Implosion: No longer RNG-based additional execute. When dealing Shock damage, has a 8% chance to electrify your target, dealing xxx damage each second.
When dealing physical damage, has a 8% chance to heal you for xxx(similar to the xxx damage from shock) each second(Affected by battlespirit and other heal-debuffs).

Dark Deal and it's morphs: Lowered cost by approximately 10% and decreased the amount of resources it restores by ~50%. (Affected by battlespirit and other heal-debuffs).

Dark Deal + Vigour + Rally as it is currently, makes it almost impossible to kill a stamina sorcerer, as they can just streak away and DD. By the time you gap-close to it and bash, it's already dark dealed once, maybe twice. Let's not forget the run-around-a-tree-and-dark-deal. With the changes to implosion, stamina sorcerers still got some sort of heal present to make up for the lack of DD.

Implosion is just a stupid passive.

Feanor

Let Wrobel just introduce the set "Revenge of the Casual". 5 pc one shots everything within 25 meters. No need to nerf or buff classes. Everything perfectly balanced and in line.

Seriously, this constant call for nerfs is so annoying. The community won't rest until ESO is f****d for everyone.

BohnT

Feanor wrote: »

Let Wrobel just introduce the set "Revenge of the Casual". 5 pc one shots everything within 25 meters. No need to nerf or buff classes. Everything perfectly balanced and in line.

Seriously, this constant call for nerfs is so annoying. The community won't rest until ESO is f****d for everyone.

You need to nerf 1 class to have balance or you buff 3 others and hope that none of the changes is op.
Hm what would be faster and easier? This stupid "we have enough nerfs" is just useless accept it that sorcs are op and need nerfs