Should Nightblades be played as Magicka ?
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I skimmed through a lot of the messages so maybe this was already mentioned, but what race you chose will make a big difference in whether magicka or stamina is the way to go. Pick the right morph on your skills and either can be very good.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
DanaDark✭✭✭Think one thing that isn't always clear with ESO is the pool/damage mechanics.
When you put a point into stamina, it increases your stamina pool AND your damage with almost ALL weapon types and increases your damage with ALL stamina abilities. Putting a point in magicka does the same for macgicka related. Health just gives you more HP.
I hate that set up. The double reward of more pool and more damage makes doing any hybrid system a major nerf to ones self, but not impossible to overcome. I just highly doubt any new player (myself included) would somehow magically find the right balance and proper skills to achieve it right out of the bat. More something vets would be able to figure out.
I got a stamina nightblade. I focus my attributes almost solely there and choose stamina abilities. Seems to do just fine. Very good damage.0 -
scorpiodog✭✭✭✭✭I skimmed through a lot of the messages so maybe this was already mentioned, but what race you chose will make a big difference in whether magicka or stamina is the way to go. Pick the right morph on your skills and either can be very good.
Magica: Breton or High Elf are tops. Argonian has some issues.
Stamina: Redguard, Orc, Imperial, Kajit, Wood Elf. Wood Elf is a tricky one though. If you like it play it but not the most powerful "toe to toe".
Dark Elf goes both ways,
That's just off the top of my head, and not in any particular order. Might have missed some.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The_Outsider wrote: »
Right, because 2300 recovery is you not worrying about sustain at all.The_Outsider wrote: »The_Outsider wrote: »
At that point stamina doesn't really do as much as you would think, a lot of people say that with absolutely no hard data
and pool + sustain is never a problem for a nightblade if that's your concern 
25k is actually enough.
Trust in me
My lack of hard data certainly doesn't trust your lack of hard data, haha!
The great thing about Stamina is that it functions as both sustain and damage, whereas regen and wpn dmg are singular in function. To each their own I suppose, keep on keepin on!
You do realize that as a NB you dont have to worry about sustain at all whatsoever if you play correctly right? And that weapon /spell damage scales much better with ability damage right?
If you really don't have to worry about it, why not put all that recovery into more damage? It's cool that you like to stack weapon damage, and yes, I'm aware of how damage scales. I'm sure you've got a super neat build, like I said, to each their own~
Aaaand I'm realizing this is super not the point of the this thread, adios er'ybody.
The thing is, this is a (for me) greatly balanced build for PVP. If i cared about PvE on that character as I have other characters for that it would look totally different. You have to realize that this is nowhere near being your standard MMO, there's much more possbilities and freedom here. Viable possibilities.
@The_OutsiderThe_Outsider wrote: »
With the high magicka regen this is obviously a ganker/PvP setup that relies heavily on cloak. With these setups you run mag/stam recovery drinks and they do plenty of damage without the high stam pool.
Exactly. Thank you. My whole point was that you CAN have strong Stamblades though. If you think about it i have a lot of room there to do some serious beneficial adjustments.
@DankstaLore-wise, Nightblades are mages. StamBlades aren't lore-friendly
This is sort of true but not etirely. They're Rogue-Wizards.
Trained in the schools of Alteration, Mysticism (Lifestealing and such), Illusion and a bit of Destruction as well as Assassination and thieving skills.
They should be the real hybrid class. Perfectly balanced magicka and stamina.
Not impossible imo and I'd love it.
Yeah ik, I was just kidding
Nightblades are actually Mage first and then Thief/Assassin/Rogue/... second, since they use their magic to enhance stealth and mobility.
But I think ZOS did a rather neat job on the class in this game as we can choose to be close to the original concept of the class in the single player games (Magicka) or play more Rogue-like with Magicka skills used more for support (Stamina)
That's sorta what i tried to say and I completely agree. I absolutely love the design as far as skills available and base playstyle goes and would never main anything else.... HOWEVER...
I'd still love to see Nightblade become the true Hybrid come morrowind. It would be an amazing feeling as long as they dont mess up the numbers and make us ultra OP compared to others. While I enjoy obliterating everything in my way, I want to see balance between classes. It's not impossible.
Also.... I'm not a big fan of the current PVE setups for us. They are incredibly high maintenance and attention if you want to be up there on the top. Somewhat clunky as well sadly.
@TryxusEdited by Nyladreas on May 1, 2017 11:58PM0 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am a newcomer currently leveling my nightblade(lvl 20).
He was stam earlier and the leveling process was ....let us say..not smooth.
I respecced to him Magicka..my goodness...amazing.
Apart from boss fights most of the quest/encounters in ESO are of this set up
a) Go to a Cave/dungeon/instance and in the end do something (could be kill or loot or activate or talk to npc)
=> I just stealth all the way to the end. Earlier as Stam I could not perma stealth but with Magicka getting near perma stealth is very easy
b) In regular quest grinds there will be 1/2/3 mobs will be in clusters.
=> Many (if not most of) of my Magicka/destro staff spells are AOE as such mobs just melt away and with OS as Resto staff it is very very easy to survive
In my early experience in WoW (years ago) there was this class called "Mage" and it had multiple trees for leveling (Fire, Frost and Arcane).
Fire has the oomph but it is very painful for leveling/questing but "Frost" has a slightly less damage but it is amazing for leveling.
TLDR : Should Nightblades be always played as Magicka (or am I a non-lvl-capped-scrub and should focus on max level and then can comment) ?
In PVE nightblades are trash, bottom of the barrel. ZOS knows, they acknowledged it during the last ESO live. Will they do anything about it? Naaaaaaaa. There have been promises like reworking grim focus ect, to try and do something to buff them for PVE. No results, don't expect any. The general rule of thumb for PVE is to play a magicka dps build, stamina are not used endgame due to very poor balancing attempts. Can read more about stamina's extinction of end game dps more in this thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/334157/stamina-dps-in-pve-fixed-for-morrowind#latest0 -
Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭Think one thing that isn't always clear with ESO is the pool/damage mechanics.
When you put a point into stamina, it increases your stamina pool AND your damage with almost ALL weapon types and increases your damage with ALL stamina abilities. Putting a point in magicka does the same for macgicka related. Health just gives you more HP.
I hate that set up. The double reward of more pool and more damage makes doing any hybrid system a major nerf to ones self, but not impossible to overcome. I just highly doubt any new player (myself included) would somehow magically find the right balance and proper skills to achieve it right out of the bat. More something vets would be able to figure out.
I got a stamina nightblade. I focus my attributes almost solely there and choose stamina abilities. Seems to do just fine. Very good damage.
True. My first character was a nightblade. I took the dual weld and my medium armor and skills that "sounded" good so ended up with a mixture. Kept at it before reading my mana pool (which I had put nothing in) was affecting the power of all spells. Not just damage but those heals I thought were coming. So, I went full stamina and things were better but I only got the feeling of being heroic once I switched to magicka completely. I'm just not that great at puzzles and figuring out this game is a puzzle. What works with what and how to get a rotation that flows instead of seeming to play an accordion. At some point I'm going to cook up some magicka based medium armor (I really miss a good sneak and hide) that will allow him to be more inline to my original idea. But the dang daggers are stabbing me in the back. I really don't use weapon skills much now just use it to regen. But I don't think weapons regen magicka or at least mine are terrible at it. And this upcoming patch sounds like you can't afford to be different.0
