Frag nerf LOL!

Father_X_Zombie

I swear are you Dev's doing acid or something?
Once again ZOS shows their genius, people complain about Sorc shields and dark deal, and Zos nerfs frags. WTF is this going to accomplish besides pissing off Sorcs? I guess you can tell all the whiners that Sorcs are getting nerfed just like everyone else? Well geniuses this is a great leap in the wrong direction if your trying to balance Sorcs. Fix shields and dark deal, our single target damage is fine. If this is trying to nerf Sorcs for PvE then buffing destros last patch wasnt a very smart move, just nerf our AoE damage and leave frags alone.


Btw im not mad about the nerf itself, the nerf wont change much really. im mad about how unnecessary and unneeded it is. This nerf is going to do nothing to balance Sorcs. This is just another slap to the face and a facepalm towards your "balance"

SleepyTroll

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

Father_X_Zombie

SleepyTroll wrote: »

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

He should have nerfed something that actually needed a nerf like dark deal, or balanced shields. This is profoundly insulting

Ankael07

Sorcerers complained about how useless the crystal blast morph was and this is Zenimax' way of making it desirable.

Father_X_Zombie

Ankael07 wrote: »

Sorcerers complained about how useless the crystal blast morph was and this is Zenimax' way of making it desirable.

This doesn't make it any more desirable, not even in the slightest. If this was their plan then they should have buffed blast or made it a stam morph or something

Malic

Well at least you can take solace that the Templar is dead according to the parade of nubs passing by just below this thread.

So they wont be able to BOL your 8K frag crit down from 13K *gasp*

How are you ever going to manage?

Father_X_Zombie

Malic wrote: »

Well at least you can take solace that the Templar is dead according to the parade of nubs passing by just below this thread.

So they wont be able to BOL your 8K frag crit down from 13K *gasp*

How are you ever going to manage?

Templars are still going to be able to out heal single target damage. Its not that deep

Waffennacht

Malic wrote: »

Well at least you can take solace that the Templar is dead according to the parade of nubs passing by just below this thread.

So they wont be able to BOL your 8K frag crit down from 13K *gasp*

How are you ever going to manage?

It's called a Kansas City Shuffle...

Everybody looks right, and we go left

Malic

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

Well at least you can take solace that the Templar is dead according to the parade of nubs passing by just below this thread.

So they wont be able to BOL your 8K frag crit down from 13K *gasp*

How are you ever going to manage?

Templars are still going to be able to out heal single target damage. Its not that deep

Really? because after reading the forums I went ahead and order pillars to place around my house so that when the sky finally does fall I wont be crushed and can make it back here to the forums and complain about my sorc DPS.

Father_X_Zombie

Malic wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

Well at least you can take solace that the Templar is dead according to the parade of nubs passing by just below this thread.

So they wont be able to BOL your 8K frag crit down from 13K *gasp*

How are you ever going to manage?

Templars are still going to be able to out heal single target damage. Its not that deep

Really? because after reading the forums I went ahead and order pillars to place around my house so that when the sky finally does fall I wont be crushed and can make it back here to the forums and complain about my sorc DPS.

Lol?

Stamden

SleepyTroll wrote: »

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

Oh god, I think you're right. When the patch comes out and Sorcs are still overpowered as hell, Wrobel is going to be sitting there grinning and saying "But we did nerf Sorcs hehe".

Biro123

I suspect its in relation to the new CP passive to buff direct damage.. combined with ele expert probably made frags have too much burst. Makes sense, really. They're way ahead of you guys..

Same as the resource nerfs other classes had.. After Zos messed with CP's I suspect they came to the conclusion that those class-specific sustain abilities suddenly became too strong.

subtlezeroub17_ESO

This is really juicy. Like, these nerf complaint threads will be the highlight of the year.

Dao_Jones

You know what? Good. I don't like having Frags on my bar. I hate situational "on proc" ablities. Feels like a wasted spot that only works when RNG breaks my way.

Now I can pull it for something else, and not feel like I'm making a critically bad life decision.

Father_X_Zombie

Biro123 wrote: »

I suspect its in relation to the new CP passive to buff direct damage.. combined with ele expert probably made frags have too much burst. Makes sense, really. They're way ahead of you guys..

Same as the resource nerfs other classes had.. After Zos messed with CP's I suspect they came to the conclusion that those class-specific sustain abilities suddenly became too strong.

They should have nerfed the other hard hitting abilities too.

Domander

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

He should have nerfed something that actually needed a nerf like dark deal, or balanced shields. This is profoundly insulting

I do not think either of those need to be nerfed.

DragonBound

Guys dark deal does not need a nerf it costs lots of magicka and when your stamina you need enough magicka to constantly keep your crit surge one and dark deal comes at the cost of not having enough.

Gilvoth

crystal frags is not what kills me.
what kills me is that after i unload all i got into a sorc while he keeps spamming his shields and casting mass 10,000 lightning on me over and over and over and i'm not able cast invisibility because of the constant whirlwind all around me and also this thing swirling inside my character wont let him stealth and i cant invis because of that = i'm dead and it happens within a few seconds. i healed with vigor and also the 2 handed thing repeatedly but i'm over taken by the damage and have zero escape from it.
i just die, there is no escape from sorc.
if i see them i avoid the fight all together.

i saw NO frags cast at me, none.

Toast_STS

plz nerf frogs

edit: not frags*

thankyourat

I think you have to look at it from a overall game perspective. Compare crystal frag to merciless resolve. Merciless only hits for slightly more than crystal frags. The base damage of merciless is only 800 damage more than crystal frag. It only hits about 6% harder, but merciless has so much more micromanagement involved. I think this nerf to frag makes sense in that department it's alot easier to use than merciless so it shouldn't hit as hard.

Waffennacht

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

crystal frags is not what kills me.
what kills me is that after i unload all i got into a sorc while he keeps spamming his shields and casting mass 10,000 lightning on me over and over and over and i'm not able cast invisibility because of the constant whirlwind all around me and also this thing swirling inside my character wont let him stealth and i cant invis because of that = i'm dead and it happens within a few seconds. i healed with vigor and also the 2 handed thing repeatedly but i'm over taken by the damage and have zero escape from it.
i just die, there is no escape from sorc.
if i see them i avoid the fight all together.

i saw NO frags cast at me, none.

You're talking about destro ult correct?

Pallio

Toast_STS wrote: »

plz nerf frogs

edit: not frags*

They probably meant to, but, this is what the script ran so they figured, whatever just go with it.

DHale

The bane of sorc shields everywhere.... anyone with a two hander.

Vosital

This tiny frags nerf is a straight up insult to anyone who gives a *** about this game or the balance of it.

Waffennacht

Vosital wrote: »

This tiny frags nerf is a straight up insult to anyone who gives a *** about this game or the balance of it.

It's a PvE nerf guys

LegacyDM

thankyourat wrote: »

I think you have to look at it from a overall game perspective. Compare crystal frag to merciless resolve. Merciless only hits for slightly more than crystal frags. The base damage of merciless is only 800 damage more than crystal frag. It only hits about 6% harder, but merciless has so much more micromanagement involved. I think this nerf to frag makes sense in that department it's alot easier to use than merciless so it shouldn't hit as hard.

Good point. But the solution is to fix merciless and make it clear easier to use. Not nerf another skill to compensate.

Father_X_Zombie

Domander wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

He should have nerfed something that actually needed a nerf like dark deal, or balanced shields. This is profoundly insulting

I do not think either of those need to be nerfed.

Dark deal is pretty powerful, it allows stam Sorcs to invest 100% into damage and still be able to sustain. They can run like 700 stam regen and be just fine

And I think shields are fine too but a good portion of the community thinks otherwise. The metric s*** ton of nerf sorc threads is evidence of that. I would rather them balance shields rather then straight up nerf them

LegacyDM

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

He should have nerfed something that actually needed a nerf like dark deal, or balanced shields. This is profoundly insulting

I do not think either of those need to be nerfed.

Dark deal is pretty powerful, it allows stam Sorcs to invest 100% into damage and still be able to sustain. They can run like 700 stam regen and be just fine

And I think shields are fine too but a good portion of the community thinks otherwise. The metric s*** ton of nerf sorc threads is evidence of that. I would rather them balance shields rather then straight up nerf them

Shields are just too strong against most build class types. Not everyone is an instant burst two handed crit charging 4K+ weapon dealing damage Fengrush monster. For those that spec into dot, crit, or mix of sustain and damage builds, there is just no way to compete against a shield stacking sorc who has high damage, defense, mobility, and sustainability.

Shield mechanics have been a problem since the game started. Zos thought that reducing the shield timer to 6 seconds and introducing shield breaker would fix the problem. This was the lazy mans way of fixing. It didn't really fix anything. people have been saying since launch the way to fix shields is to allow them to crit and disable shield stacking. Another example of zos ignoring player feedback. In morrowind they are releasing a new shield breaker set for magicka. 10% oblivion damage to max health of target on fully charged heavy attacks. Lol. Another failed attempt at balance. Game should be about mechanics not creating op sets to balance. Lol.

Domander

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

He should have nerfed something that actually needed a nerf like dark deal, or balanced shields. This is profoundly insulting

I do not think either of those need to be nerfed.

Dark deal is pretty powerful, it allows stam Sorcs to invest 100% into damage and still be able to sustain. They can run like 700 stam regen and be just fine

And...... it hinges on the enemy letting them use it. It's a nice ability but it has very good counterplay.

kessik221

I can almost gauruntee you this is a pvp decision. Just like the stamina proc set nerfs they dont want fights won solely because of procs.

Father_X_Zombie

Domander wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

He knew what he was doing, this unnecessary nerf just saved sorcs from any further much needed nerfs.

He should have nerfed something that actually needed a nerf like dark deal, or balanced shields. This is profoundly insulting

I do not think either of those need to be nerfed.

Dark deal is pretty powerful, it allows stam Sorcs to invest 100% into damage and still be able to sustain. They can run like 700 stam regen and be just fine

And...... it hinges on the enemy letting them use it. It's a nice ability but it has very good counterplay.

I must have terrible luck because every time I try to interrupt it it gets dodged by shuffle