I Thing Players that Complain About Changes are Missing the Point.

Mayanpup

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!

ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

IronCrystal

If you don't voice your opinions, then that means you are fine with the state of the game.

Most of us are not fine with the current state of PTS.

lunalitetempler

But its kind of funny to watch them freak out, end of the day if your a good player you will be fine. Zennimax isn't knee bending on this one. I for one am really excited for the changes, I have so many build ideas I don't know where to start. I'm even considering starting up pve again because it might actually be a challenge ^^

Tandor

IronCrystal wrote: »

If you don't voice your opinions, then that means you are fine with the state of the game.

Most of us are not fine with the current state of PTS.

Some aren't, certainly, but I question where your empirical evidence is for attributing that sentiment to "most".

Shad0wfire99

Mayanpup wrote: »

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!

ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

So, allow the game to be terrible and shut up about it? Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

Shad0wfire99

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Mayanpup wrote: »

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!

ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

So, allow the game to be terrible and shut up about it? Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

Damn. Looks like my sarcasm font is on the fritz.

Grabmoore

lunalitetempler wrote: »

But its kind of funny to watch them freak out, end of the day if your a good player you will be fine. Zennimax isn't knee bending on this one. I for one am really excited for the changes, I have so many build ideas I don't know where to start. I'm even considering starting up pve again because it might actually be a challenge ^^

No empathy players like you are so annoying. You are happy cause you PvP folks whining was successful.. You don't even play PvE, you know the meaningful part of ESO, which gets ruined again by PvP nerfs!

Yes im mad, but you are ignorant.

MacCait

Mayanpup wrote: »

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!

ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

You obviously have an opinion on this, so much so that you have taken the time to write a post. Why? Are you complaining about people complaining? If so then your post is hypocritical. Not an attack, just stating a point in your contradiction and explaining why. With all reason, it is contradictory to come here, make a post like this stating a strong opinion, at the same time as telling everyone they are not to make posts and state their opinion!

There is also a vital flaw that you and many people who have made a "don't complain" post are making. The flaw in your reasoning is because you are currently unable to see that the game you purchased is actually a product. You seem to perceive this game in some other light, I'm not quite sure what. However, in truth it is a product. Product definition: something produced; a commodity; something (as a service) that is marketed or sold as a commodity.

Zenimax produce the game, they market it to a population, sell and distribute it, making a profit from the game as a business. It is therefore a product and there is no other way you can think of that.

You also seem to be making another flaw, in that you see yourself and others as just players, and not as consumers / customers. When a consumer buys a product, they do so because they like the product, they may even feel good about the product, making them want to buy it and use it. If a company suddenly drastically changed the product, consumers would have every right to complain to the company and try to reason with them. The reason for a complaint is not just to whine and complain, but is an attempt to reason with a company in order to find a suitable compromise, informing the company of the consumers dissatisfaction. If the company then does not take those complaints on board and continues to ignore customer complaints, then the consumers can make a decision (as you correctly stated) to stop purchasing the product and the company in turn loses sales. So the whole point of these posts is to express dissatisfaction.

When ZOS does something great, many posts are congratulatory and positive. When ZOS does something not so great, people will obviously complain. The whole point of the forum is to communicate with each other as a group of players, and as a means for the population, the community to communicate with ZOS.

So with respect, your post therefore makes little sense and is unrealistic. What you are in fact communicating is that if consumers are ever dissatisfied with a product, they should either just keep quiet and accept the situation, or just cease to buy the product without even attempting to communicate to the producer. Who does that? The only place I can think that kind of thing happens within is some kind of dictatorship.

So prescribing your own advise back to you… “If you do not like” reading peoples complaints “then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining)” or stop reading them. Don’t come to a forum and think to start telling people what they can and can’t do.

Mayrael

MacCait wrote: »

Mayanpup wrote: »

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!

ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

You obviously have an opinion on this, so much so that you have taken the time to write a post. Why? Are you complaining about people complaining? If so then your post is hypocritical. Not an attack, just stating a point in your contradiction and explaining why. With all reason, it is contradictory to come here, make a post like this stating a strong opinion, at the same time as telling everyone they are not to make posts and state their opinion!

There is also a vital flaw that you and many people who have made a "don't complain" post are making. The flaw in your reasoning is because you are currently unable to see that the game you purchased is actually a product. You seem to perceive this game in some other light, I'm not quite sure what. However, in truth it is a product. Product definition: something produced; a commodity; something (as a service) that is marketed or sold as a commodity.

Zenimax produce the game, they market it to a population, sell and distribute it, making a profit from the game as a business. It is therefore a product and there is no other way you can think of that.

You also seem to be making another flaw, in that you see yourself and others as just players, and not as consumers / customers. When a consumer buys a product, they do so because they like the product, they may even feel good about the product, making them want to buy it and use it. If a company suddenly drastically changed the product, consumers would have every right to complain to the company and try to reason with them. The reason for a complaint is not just to whine and complain, but is an attempt to reason with a company in order to find a suitable compromise, informing the company of the consumers dissatisfaction. If the company then does not take those complaints on board and continues to ignore customer complaints, then the consumers can make a decision (as you correctly stated) to stop purchasing the product and the company in turn loses sales. So the whole point of these posts is to express dissatisfaction.

When ZOS does something great, many posts are congratulatory and positive. When ZOS does something not so great, people will obviously complain. The whole point of the forum is to communicate with each other as a group of players, and as a means for the population, the community to communicate with ZOS.

So with respect, your post therefore makes little sense and is unrealistic. What you are in fact communicating is that if consumers are ever dissatisfied with a product, they should either just keep quiet and accept the situation, or just cease to buy the product without even attempting to communicate to the producer. Who does that? The only place I can think that kind of thing happens within is some kind of dictatorship.

So prescribing your own advise back to you… “If you do not like” reading peoples complaints “then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining)” or stop reading them. Don’t come to a forum and think to start telling people what they can and can’t do.

Wow stahp you! You think rational and out of "game" frames! Youre not allowed to do so here! Well done

zaria

Tandor wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

If you don't voice your opinions, then that means you are fine with the state of the game.

Most of us are not fine with the current state of PTS.

Some aren't, certainly, but I question where your empirical evidence is for attributing that sentiment to "most".

Most has not tested it obviously.
Have not tested it myself, but will try today or tomorrow.

However most players do not like nerfs who hit them and this nerfs hit everybody.
In pvp it this auto balances as enemies are also nerfed and might work out positive.
But not so in PvE and PvE is much larger than PvP.
The in depth video from the rogue guy shows an pretty bleak story. Also the other pts stories.

For me PTS is an go/ no go for Morrowind same as the beta was for ESO.

KerinKor

Mayanpup wrote: »

and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

If that were true we'd still have VR content and Cadwell's quest would be the only way for one character to visit all zones.

Your thesis is demonstrably fatally flawed.

Q.E.D.

Enodoc

Tandor wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

If you don't voice your opinions, then that means you are fine with the state of the game.

Most of us are not fine with the current state of PTS.

Some aren't, certainly, but I question where your empirical evidence is for attributing that sentiment to "most".

The issue is always the same, whatever the problem is; the people who don't like it post the most, the people who do like it post occasionally, and the people who don't care don't post. It is impossible to get a representative view, particularly when you include the people who don't care.

SickDuck

Between the complaining and quietly sulking customer the first one is always better. Complaints can be resolved in many ways. The latter either suck it up or leave and take their money elsewhere. They may not be vocal but still can give bad reputation to the company along their way. Even F2P players can harm revenue if they spread bad news.

Complainers, especially if there are coming in chunkes can be a good market indicators. For one vocal player there are easily ten silent sulkers. A good company knows their figures and can extrapolate.

Complaints and feedback are not in vain. While the nature of development causes that a general design decision is hard to change by the time it hits PTS, there are some mitigation and compromises can be added. That doesn't mean ZOS is doing the right thing but at least it can ease the pain for some people and make them stay.

Wolfenbelle

Mayanpup wrote: »

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Aren't you the nice little totalitarian. "Be quiet and accept" is the #1 demand of every dictator since human civilization began.

reesenorman

Yeah man, going from doing a complex rotation that's been developed and tested over time to running a simple heavy attack build is a lot of fun. I should be rewarded for figuring out my class rather than being put on the same playing field as some rando whos watched a youtube build video, there is literally no skill involved anymore .I'm going to go and spend my next paycheck on crown crates because I love it

Galwylin

Mayanpup wrote: »

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!

ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

Think about this

Shut up

TequilaFire

Grabmoore wrote: »

lunalitetempler wrote: »

But its kind of funny to watch them freak out, end of the day if your a good player you will be fine. Zennimax isn't knee bending on this one. I for one am really excited for the changes, I have so many build ideas I don't know where to start. I'm even considering starting up pve again because it might actually be a challenge ^^

No empathy players like you are so annoying. You are happy cause you PvP folks whining was successful.. You don't even play PvE, you know the meaningful part of ESO, which gets ruined again by PvP nerfs!

Yes im mad, but you are ignorant.

Just as ignorant as assuming everything was changed just because of PvP.
You really think PvP players wanted their Templar gutted?

Rickter

its like this thread and This Thread got your titles mixed up!

candesco

Mayanpup wrote: »

If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!

Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!

ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours.

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

So according to you people have to shut up and just accept the things they are. They don't may have an opinion and they definitely may not disagree with deciscions. In some countries there are political leaders who also think that they know what is good for the people. You just sound like such a policital leader. You also say then about being more professional. The thing is that your post is far from professional as well. I have seen more professional posts. Take an example to MacCait.
Yes, sometimes people just complain to complain. I have seen garbage post myself over at the forums of an other mmo. However, here on this forum i have seen normal posts and posts where people share their concern about the upcoming changes. It seems though that you won't or can't accept that. Allright, it is a bit demanding, like in the long thread of MacCait, and other words would be better instead of "change it or else we leave".
But saying that people should be quiet or leave and that Zenimax online alone decide is the other side and ain't very democratic as well. If that is the case, then they shouldn't even bother to open a forum, cause on a forum you know you get discussions regarding certain decissions which are made.
And what are you trying to say with your last line. There are also free 2 play games floating around and where you get enough "game". But that doesn't matter. If a developer think they decide for the players what they should get without any feedback, then the players will turn their backs. In the end you have only losers then, not winners. Think about that.

Pallio

Pvp player : Waaa infinite resources no fair.

ZO$ : Cripple entire game with cost/Regen nerfs.

PVP Player : We.didnt ask for this.....

mikejezz

While I kind of do understand what you're trying to say, keep in mind that if everyone did what you just said, you might not be able to play ESO because of lack of players.

If someone has a character that gets nerfed to the ground, or the core game changes too much, people are right to complain about it.

TequilaFire

Pallio wrote: »

Pvp player : Waaa infinite resources no fair.

ZO$ : Cripple entire game with cost/Regen nerfs.

PVP Player : We.didnt ask for this.....

PvE player: Waah I might have to L2P now.

ZOS: we are returning to the original vision of the game.

akl77

If only people can be as serious about optimising their build and skills. The vast players in game sucked really bad.
Unless they're elite and building the best build and super skilled, they don't really have a right to complain.
Fix your build and skills first..

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Mayanpup wrote: »

Do you realize how much "game" you get without paying a cent? Think about it.

None? Or am I thinging about it wrong?

Kay1

"If you do not like decisions ZOS makes concerning content then either be quiet and accept (and quit whining) or cancel your ESO subscription!"

You're no one to tell that to people you don't know

"Now, I realize complaining is an instinctive human reaction to change, but you CAN be more "professional" about it. State your opposition then - case closed!"

You're putting everyone in the same basket, I hope you don't do the same with others things

"ZOS does read these forum posts (you do read them right, RIGHT?) and the decisions they make concerning content is their decision - not yours."

Is our decision, you must be new but Zenimax have been listening and changing stuff because of our feedback for almost 4 years, the only reason most of the people that are gonna quit are still here is because they believe in Zenimax.

Kay1

Pallio wrote: »

Pvp player : Waaa infinite resources no fair.

ZO$ : Cripple entire game with cost/Regen nerfs.

PVP Player : We.didnt ask for this.....

People asked for increase cost of blocking, eye of flame nerf, AoE caps removed and reduced healing from instant burst healing abilities for PvP.

Please get facts any person that have been in these forums know it.