The *** Invades Belkarth? Or just a Guild Initiation?

Vaoh

Jacozilla wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

O_sir_is wrote: »

lol @Vaoh don't pretend that it is a mere coincidence. Anyone in the USA, in the world even, knows exactly what that means or intended to be. I have only seen videos, but have heard around just in the past 24 hours that there was more to it than what videos I have seen, much like what @Nelson_Rebel has eluded to. Jokes or not, that is completely crossing the line. And as for the community, PS4 NA endgame is much more than just those 12 and their guild. I'll respect their ability to get things done and what they accomplished but their presence or perhaps now, lack thereof, isn't changing anything. I have personally witnessed some of those banned members straight blasting people and dog piling on them and saying some incredibly harsh things (like telling someone to kill themselves in guild chat, homophobic slurs, etc), and have heard on many, many occasions about being a part of alleged elaborate, horrible trolling. If that really is the case, then the community is better off.

Look. Have fun, role play, troll people or whatever, but please act your damn age and understand when you are crossing the line.

I agree with you. It was dumb of them regardless

But permabans to players this involved with the endgame PvE (yes it will stir the endgame community in a bad way, as it already has)..... I don't agree with that personally.

Also many of them said it was unrelated to the racist group whilst only a few trolled. There were also people who had nothing to do with it recieving permabans which is insane since you are losing everything for doing literally nothing. ZOS was very quick to respond but completed their job sloppily and haven't returned those accounts yet. Hard to believe but this is the actual case atm.

Also as a result, I can no longer wear my Black Hand Robe dyed white which I've worn forever because I will undoubtedly get permabanned if seen in Craglorn now -_-

It's a mess. And no the majority of them are very nice. Only a few in that group would ever say stuff like that based on the many interactions I've had with them in both PvE and PvP.

You are being deliberately dense, or disingenuous at best.

In my prior post above, I entirely concede that we'll never know what is truly in their hearts. Simple parody or actual malign intent - will never know.

What we do know, is unless you are claiming you have zero basic education of what those symbols represent, what that parody of an act was recreating, then you, I , and everyone knows precisely what historical group and what historical act they just pantomimed.

Re: your inability in future to wear a dyed white Black Hand Robe - do you know what the swastika used to be before the mustached idiot turned it into what it represents now? A Hindu / Buddhist sacred symbol.

If you marched around, arm out in brown suit - with that symbol on your chest, what do you think the vast majority of non-cretins would think? 'Oh, well maybe this guy is a Buddhist and really just recreating an ancient religious rite' ...or the staggeringly obvious other consideration?

You are defending into the ground an entirely tasteless at best, racist at worst, tragedy from a group of knuckleheads who got precisely what they deserved.

It's quite obvious that ppl gathering like that aren't *actual* members. They're trolls -_- ESO is full of trolls.

Your reference to the Swastika is great and all, history most of us hopefully know, but is unrelated to this incident. I dont think it's a good thing I can no longer walk around in ESO with certain robes I think look cool but dye them white causes me to be labeled a racist. I've worn them since like 4 months ago with Birch White/Aetherial Blue/Polished Steel but after today they come off (and btw Id never do what they did).

Perhaps its just the way we view the situation - a classic example of difference of opinion. You want everyoe permabanned asap. I would ask for those who had nothing to do with it unbanned and those involved Temp-banned for awhile and on their last strike.

It's only been one day. Who knows how it'll play out for now.

Ch4mpTW

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I must say that the people defending this racist, Thule Society behavior are very athletic. Never seen someone bend over backwards that extremely.

"i haz highest scoar, gimme speciol treaments. i is endgame exploitante, me demand entitled"

Jacozilla wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

O_sir_is wrote: »

lol @Vaoh don't pretend that it is a mere coincidence. Anyone in the USA, in the world even, knows exactly what that means or intended to be. I have only seen videos, but have heard around just in the past 24 hours that there was more to it than what videos I have seen, much like what @Nelson_Rebel has eluded to. Jokes or not, that is completely crossing the line. And as for the community, PS4 NA endgame is much more than just those 12 and their guild. I'll respect their ability to get things done and what they accomplished but their presence or perhaps now, lack thereof, isn't changing anything. I have personally witnessed some of those banned members straight blasting people and dog piling on them and saying some incredibly harsh things (like telling someone to kill themselves in guild chat, homophobic slurs, etc), and have heard on many, many occasions about being a part of alleged elaborate, horrible trolling. If that really is the case, then the community is better off.

Look. Have fun, role play, troll people or whatever, but please act your damn age and understand when you are crossing the line.

I agree with you. It was dumb of them regardless

But permabans to players this involved with the endgame PvE (yes it will stir the endgame community in a bad way, as it already has)..... I don't agree with that personally.

Also many of them said it was unrelated to the racist group whilst only a few trolled. There were also people who had nothing to do with it recieving permabans which is insane since you are losing everything for doing literally nothing. ZOS was very quick to respond but completed their job sloppily and haven't returned those accounts yet. Hard to believe but this is the actual case atm.

Also as a result, I can no longer wear my Black Hand Robe dyed white which I've worn forever because I will undoubtedly get permabanned if seen in Craglorn now -_-

It's a mess. And no the majority of them are very nice. Only a few in that group would ever say stuff like that based on the many interactions I've had with them in both PvE and PvP.

You are being deliberately dense, or disingenuous at best.

In my prior post above, I entirely concede that we'll never know what is truly in their hearts. Simple parody or actual malign intent - will never know.

What we do know, is unless you are claiming you have zero basic education of what those symbols represent, what that parody of an act was recreating, then you, I , and everyone knows precisely what historical group and what historical act they just pantomimed.

Re: your inability in future to wear a dyed white Black Hand Robe - do you know what the swastika used to be before the mustached idiot turned it into what it represents now? A Hindu / Buddhist sacred symbol.

If you marched around, arm out in brown suit - with that symbol on your chest, what do you think the vast majority of non-cretins would think? 'Oh, well maybe this guy is a Buddhist and really just recreating an ancient religious rite' ...or the staggeringly obvious other consideration?

You are defending into the ground an entirely tasteless at best, racist at worst, tragedy from a group of knuckleheads who got precisely what they deserved.

So much truth in you all's posts. We need this type of truth daily from everyone. The forums would be such a more beautiful and wonderful place.

laksikus wrote: »

WTS popcorn

@Ch4mpTW
pls continue, i see myself getting rich from popcorns already

@laksikus I gotchu fam'. You'll be a millionaire by the end of the day. xD

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OutLaw_Nynx

Vaoh wrote: »

O_sir_is wrote: »

lol @Vaoh don't pretend that it is a mere coincidence. Anyone in the USA, in the world even, knows exactly what that means or intended to be. I have only seen videos, but have heard around just in the past 24 hours that there was more to it than what videos I have seen, much like what @Nelson_Rebel has eluded to. Jokes or not, that is completely crossing the line. And as for the community, PS4 NA endgame is much more than just those 12 and their guild. I'll respect their ability to get things done and what they accomplished but their presence or perhaps now, lack thereof, isn't changing anything. I have personally witnessed some of those banned members straight blasting people and dog piling on them and saying some incredibly harsh things (like telling someone to kill themselves in guild chat, homophobic slurs, etc), and have heard on many, many occasions about being a part of alleged elaborate, horrible trolling. If that really is the case, then the community is better off.

Look. Have fun, role play, troll people or whatever, but please act your damn age and understand when you are crossing the line.

I agree with you. It was dumb of them regardless

But permabans to players this involved with the endgame PvE (yes it will stir the endgame community in a bad way, as it already has)..... I don't agree with that personally.

Also many of them said it was unrelated to the racist group whilst only a few trolled. There were also people who had nothing to do with it recieving permabans which is insane since you are losing everything for doing literally nothing. ZOS was very quick to respond but completed their job sloppily and haven't returned those accounts yet. Hard to believe but this is the actual case atm.

Also as a result, I can no longer wear my Black Hand Robe dyed white which I've worn forever because I will undoubtedly get permabanned if seen in Craglorn now -_-

It's a mess. And no the majority of them are very nice. Only a few in that group would ever say stuff like that based on the many interactions I've had with them in both PvE and PvP.

Please explain how these people getting banned is going to hurt the pve side of the game? Guilds will still raid. These people will become forgotten and irrelevant soon enough.

I'm not really sure why you're defending them so hard unless you just think because they are "good" players they should be above the rules. Like it's been said in this thread; many of these people are previous offenders. They gave zos ZERO reasons to just suspended them for a few days.


If these people come back on a different account I hope they'll keep their egos in check and realise they aren't above anything.

Most importantly? The rest of the pve community isn't going to be harrassed anymore. If community is truly as small as you make it out to be you'd think they'd stop picking on people.

Ch4mpTW

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I really hope ZOS will take more action against those people that purposely prance around wearing Pope hats and play the role of a *** member. And other forms of racism.

You and me both. I hope ZOS deals with them swiftly, as racism is something that must not be played with.

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

O_sir_is wrote: »

lol @Vaoh don't pretend that it is a mere coincidence. Anyone in the USA, in the world even, knows exactly what that means or intended to be. I have only seen videos, but have heard around just in the past 24 hours that there was more to it than what videos I have seen, much like what @Nelson_Rebel has eluded to. Jokes or not, that is completely crossing the line. And as for the community, PS4 NA endgame is much more than just those 12 and their guild. I'll respect their ability to get things done and what they accomplished but their presence or perhaps now, lack thereof, isn't changing anything. I have personally witnessed some of those banned members straight blasting people and dog piling on them and saying some incredibly harsh things (like telling someone to kill themselves in guild chat, homophobic slurs, etc), and have heard on many, many occasions about being a part of alleged elaborate, horrible trolling. If that really is the case, then the community is better off.

Look. Have fun, role play, troll people or whatever, but please act your damn age and understand when you are crossing the line.

I agree with you. It was dumb of them regardless

But permabans to players this involved with the endgame PvE (yes it will stir the endgame community in a bad way, as it already has)..... I don't agree with that personally.

Also many of them said it was unrelated to the racist group whilst only a few trolled. There were also people who had nothing to do with it recieving permabans which is insane since you are losing everything for doing literally nothing. ZOS was very quick to respond but completed their job sloppily and haven't returned those accounts yet. Hard to believe but this is the actual case atm.

Also as a result, I can no longer wear my Black Hand Robe dyed white which I've worn forever because I will undoubtedly get permabanned if seen in Craglorn now -_-

It's a mess. And no the majority of them are very nice. Only a few in that group would ever say stuff like that based on the many interactions I've had with them in both PvE and PvP.

Please explain how these people getting banned is going to hurt the pve side of the game? Guilds will still raid. These people will become forgotten and irrelevant soon enough.

I'm not really sure why you're defending them so hard unless you just think because they are "good" players they should be above the rules. Like it's been said in this thread; many of these people are previous offenders. They gave zos ZERO reasons to just suspended them for a few days.


If these people come back on a different account I hope they'll keep their egos in check and realise they aren't above anything.

Most importantly? The rest of the pve community isn't going to be harrassed anymore. If community is truly as small as you make it out to be you'd think they'd stop picking on people.

@OutLaw_Nynx I've never agreed with you as much as I do now. In this entire thread, you haven't said anything that I disagree with. Kudos to you for keeping things honest, and saying things how they are. Much appreciated. Keep it it 100, bruh.

Vaoh

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

O_sir_is wrote: »

lol @Vaoh don't pretend that it is a mere coincidence. Anyone in the USA, in the world even, knows exactly what that means or intended to be. I have only seen videos, but have heard around just in the past 24 hours that there was more to it than what videos I have seen, much like what @Nelson_Rebel has eluded to. Jokes or not, that is completely crossing the line. And as for the community, PS4 NA endgame is much more than just those 12 and their guild. I'll respect their ability to get things done and what they accomplished but their presence or perhaps now, lack thereof, isn't changing anything. I have personally witnessed some of those banned members straight blasting people and dog piling on them and saying some incredibly harsh things (like telling someone to kill themselves in guild chat, homophobic slurs, etc), and have heard on many, many occasions about being a part of alleged elaborate, horrible trolling. If that really is the case, then the community is better off.

Look. Have fun, role play, troll people or whatever, but please act your damn age and understand when you are crossing the line.

I agree with you. It was dumb of them regardless

But permabans to players this involved with the endgame PvE (yes it will stir the endgame community in a bad way, as it already has)..... I don't agree with that personally.

Also many of them said it was unrelated to the racist group whilst only a few trolled. There were also people who had nothing to do with it recieving permabans which is insane since you are losing everything for doing literally nothing. ZOS was very quick to respond but completed their job sloppily and haven't returned those accounts yet. Hard to believe but this is the actual case atm.

Also as a result, I can no longer wear my Black Hand Robe dyed white which I've worn forever because I will undoubtedly get permabanned if seen in Craglorn now -_-

It's a mess. And no the majority of them are very nice. Only a few in that group would ever say stuff like that based on the many interactions I've had with them in both PvE and PvP.

Please explain how these people getting banned is going to hurt the pve side of the game? Guilds will still raid. These people will become forgotten and irrelevant soon enough.

I'm not really sure why you're defending them so hard unless you just think because they are "good" players they should be above the rules. Like it's been said in this thread; many of these people are previous offenders. They gave zos ZERO reasons to just suspended them for a few days.


If these people come back on a different account I hope they'll keep their egos in check and realise they aren't above anything.

Most importantly? The rest of the pve community isn't going to be harrassed anymore. If community is truly as small as you make it out to be you'd think they'd stop picking on people.

I'm not defending them as much as you think. Their actions were dumb regardless and they seriously shouldn't have done that. Based on what happened though I don't believe a permaban is in order, but rather temporary bans and no strikes left.

Those handful who were uninvolved (feel bad for those ppl) should have their bans lifted.

Their bans will mostly give other guilds a shot at rank #1 when Morrowind releases I guess

Vaoh

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Before this gets locked can someone please explain what the issue is as can't see much on the video as on my phone - and would like to know before making any judgements!

Bunch of ppl ran around in white robes. A few of them made reference a couple times to a certain racist group that starts with a K to troll, while the others said no.

As a result, each of them were permabanned, including a few bystanders not involved, one dude in group but in a different zone altogether, one guy who was offline, and a few others uninvolved but in guild.

Everyone involved (except a few unfortunate bystanders) were PvEers on the very top of every leaderboard, and their bans are gonna inevitable hurt the community.

Pretty much sums it up.

I'll requote myself

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

These assclowns deserved their Ban's


They are all well-known exploiters in end game content. As well as being extremely disliked for their attitudes towards all other players that are not within their "circle".

No they are not all the "best" players, but they are certainly some of the most well known and seen in leaderboards..But who gives a crap? Being a skilled player doesn't excuse you from behaving like this, nor should anyone condone it.

It was VERY clear what they were doing, and there is zero chance they didn't know beforehand what they were doing.It baffles me how anyone could possibly try and defend it, it is sickening.

Sure the game has references to this kind of stuff but player characters roleplaying REAL racism and publicly, is overstepping.

TLdR- Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Enjoy the perma bans assclowns.

They were toxic players who shunned everyone not in their inner circle.

I'm very well aware of Grand Council and how they like to operate. Don't even lie lmfao, the ONLY people those individuals helped were each other and themselves. The exception being nesquick who did do some pve vids for players.

From this comment alone I can tell just how ignorant you are of what you're speaking of. Grand Council is no longer a guild. Hasn't been for awhile.

You say Nesquik is the only person who helped, but them cite his Youtube videos as a source.

Just because the others don't post vids on Youtube, doesn't mean they don't support the community. I've played with every one of these ppl. Some of them many times. They were always there specifically to help others since they have completed vMoL HM awhile ago and only have beating their already #1 scores to shoot for.

These were all incredibly helpful players to the endgame PvE community whether you liked them or not - Nesquik is just more Youtube famous which is why you can only acknoledge his good deeds.

It's whatever though. You never even bring up those who were banned that are utterly unrelated but recieved permanent bans to their accounts for being grouped with them while offline or watching from the sideline.

I find it amusing how you only take one portion of my post and ignore the rest.


So I guess you're one of those people that grasps at straws to try and undermine an argument when the whole point of the post is crystal clear

These guys are acting REAL life racism. Which is Against the TOS.

You are a sick person to even attempt to defend this. You need help.

The rest of what you wrote was rehash of what you already said - the banned people are "assowns" in your own words. A well thought out argument

But I totally appreciate your ability to have conversation with those of differing opinions. The end of your comment is quite telling, considering the only thing you know of me is that I am an endgame PvEer with far more knowledge of the situation than yourself but share a different opinion of the result.

Yeah sure if you call being racist a different opinion then sure.


I have nothing more to say to you, and people with your sick dispositions and notions.

I don't support the permabans to these players, but I do support Temp bans.

That makes me a racist? Really? Unbelievable.

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Hallothiel

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Before this gets locked can someone please explain what the issue is as can't see much on the video as on my phone - and would like to know before making any judgements!

All the individuals held a white power meeting in belkarth and started burning redguard NPC's. Also racist comments from them (not shown in video) were thrown around.

They all dressed up in white robes and role played as k k k members

Seriously?! That's what they did?! Why? What on earth was the point? HOW F*CKING STUPID.

Find that shocking. Not even remotely amusing. And those participating have been banned? Good. Again, how f*cking stupid to even think that it would be ok if done in an "ironic" or "amusing" way.

Don't care if they are the bestest players in the world ever, they obviously aren't the best human beings.

F*cking idiots.

Prof_Bawbag

"Their bans will hurt the community" Lmao. Best thing I've read on here this year and that takes some doing. Hurt what community exactly? A community of players that make up less than 1% of the player population? Hurt those who are easily impressed by others in some inane game? Add the numbers up, almost no one cares a jot about who is who in this game or any game.

Regardless of who they are, they were treated as someone who just installed the game 5 mins ago should be treated had they chose to re-enact something that has no place in any game. Who they are/were within the game is irrelevant and those thinking anyone is more deserving of higher status than the next random need to pull their head from their arse and go outside for some fresh air. Amazing the amount of people who think they should be untouchable because their overly inflated opinion of themselves has elevated them to such a place that they now think they're more deserving then the next person. In reality and as that video proves, the only thing that's elevated is their idiocy.

Vaoh

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Their bans will mostly give other guilds a shot at rank #1 when Morrowind releases I guess

Oh, no! The horror.

It's an artiicial way of going about it.

If you are striving to beat someone at the top who you've always known as great players and nice people, this is a crazy situation.

I understand your stance on this but ofc I disagree and would vouch for Temp bans (not to be confused with Templar... they've gone through enough ) instead along with unfortunate randoms returned their accounts.

Ch4mpTW

I'm pretty sure this was ZOS yesterday:


ZOS confirmed for Pharah.

FloppyTouch

Why is this post not closed yet?

Mortehl

What they did was incredibly stupid. These people are an incredibly diverse group racially, religiously, even gender. My one regret is that I was asleep when they did this so I couldn't try to stop them from this epic act of stupidity.

I really am disappointed that people are 'glad' they were banned. I wonder if watching the videos from this how people feel about all the random nobodies filling the text chat channels with really racist crap.

Luigi_Vampa

Vaoh wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Before this gets locked can someone please explain what the issue is as can't see much on the video as on my phone - and would like to know before making any judgements!

Bunch of ppl ran around in white robes. A few of them made reference a couple times to a certain racist group that starts with a K to troll, while the others said no.

As a result, each of them were permabanned, including a few bystanders not involved, one dude in group but in a different zone altogether, one guy who was offline, and a few others uninvolved but in guild.

Everyone involved (except a few unfortunate bystanders) were PvEers on the very top of every leaderboard, and their bans are gonna inevitable hurt the community.

Pretty much sums it up.

Can you stop with the "PvEers on the very top of every leaderboard" nonsense? Challenge their ban on the basis of if the ban was fair. Being the best of the best and topping leaderboards shouldn't give you any special consideration when it comes to bans.

Ch4mpTW

Mortehl wrote: »

What they did was incredibly stupid. These people are an incredibly diverse group racially, religiously, even gender. My one regret is that I was asleep when they did this so I couldn't try to stop them from this epic act of stupidity.

I really am disappointed that people are 'glad' they were banned. I wonder if watching the videos from this how people feel about all the random nobodies filling the text chat channels with really racist crap.

@Mortehl I'm incredibly happy to see you posting on the forums again. Welcome back, bud. Missed your input here and there on the forums.

As for being glad at the actions taken against them, I can't help it. I really hate racism, and all forms of prejudice. Especially when the actions are taken against people who I have had numerous bad encounters with. So when I find out that these people got "ult-combo'd" by ZOS, I just was overwhelmed with joy. Its funny how I found out, as I was told from a friend to wake-up and check the forums ASAP and check out the thread they had told me about. They then proceeded with telling me how so and so got perma-banned, and I literally yelled with happiness. It's to the point that people are talking about doing a celebration in the events that have taken place, and and trying to mass get together in private. A lot and yes I do mean a LOT of people are pleased with ZOS' actions. Myself included.

Hallothiel

Mortehl wrote: »

What they did was incredibly stupid. These people are an incredibly diverse group racially, religiously, even gender. My one regret is that I was asleep when they did this so I couldn't try to stop them from this epic act of stupidity.

I really am disappointed that people are 'glad' they were banned. I wonder if watching the videos from this how people feel about all the random nobodies filling the text chat channels with really racist crap.

Well sorry to 'disappoint'. The fact that they are, apparently, "an incredibly diverse group", does not excuse their actions. Neither does being stupid. This was not some spur of the moment idiotic comment, this was planned. And you are suggesting that at no point did any of these 'diverse' people stop and think about what they were doing? Or did they think that they were doing it 'for the lols' and sod everyone else?

So either stupid or racist or both.

Actions have consequences. People need to learn that.

Nifty2g

Shouldn't be banned.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BillE Also a name & shame thread.

ZOS_JohanaB

This thread has been closed as it's full of bait, and discusses disciplinary actions both of which are against the community rules.