Gilliam the Rogue about Morrowind Patch Notes

OmniDo

His vlog basically says:

ZOS: "Do you even math bro? Do you even Science Bro? Do you even Logic Bro? Sherlock Holmes says youre guilty of either deliberate incompetence, or corrupt manipulation."

DarcyMardin

Just watched the whole video. Really excellent. The most salient point for me was "control your variables." So accurate. Making across-the-boards changes to base systems, class skills and passives all at once seems likely to create chaos and make future imbalances harder to diagnose and control.

I hope the folks at ZOS watch Gilliam's feedback and take it to heart.

Nullmagic

Watched it a few hours ago, myself. Very well done video, and I truly hope ZoS people take the time to watch it.

Wolfenbelle

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

Problem with heavy attack is that it either takes too much time to charge or it's difficult to do. In fact, the only easy, quick heavy attack is with resto staff. It's a really poor method of resource management.

MacCait

@Gilliamtherogue. Great video, superb explanations! I think we all really hope ZOS takes it all on board. I look forward to your next video!

Galwylin

Watched the video and learned things. Very good explanation and examples. And he killed the dummy the first time and didn't on PTS where he ran out of stamina. If that happens with a mob then doesn't the usual result mean death? How is that a good thing? Needing a market for soul gems now?

egosumacunnus

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

This guy just single handedly made ZOS look idiotic.

Zos do an excellent job of that already, struggling to think of anything else.

Arkkon1

The video was very well done, that said iam totally shocked at the sustain now on Stamina NB... i mean NB already wasnt a competing choice class for Trials not they can't even sustain.. i mean sure Hvy ATT builds.. but then u lose out on Syphoning attacks/Leeching strikes.. and we dont have a Hvy attack passive like DK molten armaments (40%) and Sorcs Bound armaments ( was its 11% or 12%???) i mean come on that just sad.

egosumacunnus

I prefer this, it's shorter and sarcastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9owc4a8A8PQ

T@rty

egosumacunnus wrote: »

I prefer this, it's shorter and sarcastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9owc4a8A8PQ

Much as a enjoyed the depth and deep understanding shown in Gilliam's video, this one just sums it up nicely.

JinMori

We all got Wrobeled. That dude will be the end of eso if he continues like this, sorry, but it's the truth these patch notes are an absolute failure.

But one of the things that makes me really angry is the fact that they written some nerfs as if they were buffs, and also trying to justify nerfs with *** statements like well if you are under this number it will be a buff. Let me tell you something, NO one runs with less then 30 k stamina So it's a *** nerf! Same for all the other *** level scaling abilities.

Helping hands 19 k stamina, don't make me laugh, this wouldn't be funny even if it was a joke.

Kemenril

Awesome breakdown. A must-watch for anyone concerned about the Patch.

Ruinhorn

Can someone answer a question, please.
Is Wrobel the only one person working on all ingame skills?

WuffyCerulei

BUMP BECAUSE SERIOUSLY, YA DEVS, LOOK AT THIS CRAP.

xeNNNNN

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

"Learn to heavy attack" as opposed to what exactly? playing the game properly? anyone whos playing purely heavy attacks is either trolling in pvp because HA builds are absurd there or they're extremely bad at pve. If its a new player fine, but a long time player? bad. Just bad.

Not everyone is on the same level of course but if alls you're doing is heavy attacking you might as well put some tape down on your mouse and go get a coffee. Boss will be dead when you come back in like 10 minutes.

learn to think fam.

Shadeaux

I agree with his analysis and have even less desire to login now. :-(

/sigh

Every MMO has a "Jump the Shark" moment. I think it may have arrived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE

Ajantisz

WhiteMage wrote: »

That stuff after the hour mark: YES! THANK YOU! Someone needed to say that. The developers are NOT the experts in these things. You need to discuss these things with players, not dictate what exactly happens next because you say so, because you're the developers, and you know best. You don't. You get to set the general path of the game, but we can help you work out all the details the right way. Talk to us! Change your mind based on our feedback, not on what you do, but how you go about doing it. And if we tell you something needs fixing, it probably does, so look into it.

Actually players who speak out are often petulant and reactionary (over-reactionary typically), very often they arent really the people to listen to (I get the irony in this response aswell).

So which players do they listen to? How do you quantify the value of input (i.e finding these "experts"), sorting the wheat from the chaff as the saying goes.

From there, how do you go about satisfying every player? Or do you just impose the will of Gilliam on the playerbase? Or Alcast, or Deltia (who pretty much usuall parrots Gilliams thoughts). Alternatively whichever e-Famous individual can sway the largest horde of forum warrriors. How is that different from the devs?

Gilliam may perform well and have a following, but it doesnt make his ideas good, or even good for the game. I've seen a lot of these sort of players from playing different MMO's, especially years of World of Warcraft, and uniformly they talk about how a change is bad, but it is because they have a vision of their own making in their mind which they think the game should be, it ticks a bunch of boxes of what THEY want. It is not the devs vision though, they are the ones responsible for implementing it, making it a challenge to get right when it is your own vision, let alone some random players. Then when it isnt delivered maybe they take it humbly and wait and see if it is terrible, or they dont wait and make free-throw statements (easy as *** because you dont really have to back them up) about how bad it will be, or they walk away silently, or saying they were driven *cough*Deltia*cough*.

Wolfenbelle

Ajantisz wrote: »

Actually players who speak out are often petulant and reactionary (over-reactionary typically), very often they arent really the people to listen to (I get the irony in this response aswell).

Oh really?! Petulant. Reactionary (a political term, BTW, not meant how you use it). Wait! Not reactionary but over-reactionary. Typically?!

So let's see. Based on your post, you don't like people who offer gaming info and recommendations on a YouTube channel or stream. Fine. Whatever floats your boat. But is it necessary to be so insulting, not only toward them, but by inference to their audiences? What makes you so special and all those other people so inferior to you?

Night_Wolf2112

Actually... it depends on how each of you/us/I heard things, which we all do differently. Some of you just forgot to hit your CAPS LOCK when responding to others.

I agree, controlling you variables does make things easier.

But, he also said, most good players will adapt, they always do, and they'll be fine.

So to sum up... his video is basically a 'git gud scrub'! ........ at least that's what I heard.

Ajantisz

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Ajantisz wrote: »

Actually players who speak out are often petulant and reactionary (over-reactionary typically), very often they arent really the people to listen to (I get the irony in this response aswell).

Oh really?! Petulant. Reactionary (a political term, BTW, not meant how you use it). Wait! Not reactionary but over-reactionary. Typically?!

So let's see. Based on your post, you don't like people who offer gaming info and recommendations on a YouTube channel or stream. Fine. Whatever floats your boat. But is it necessary to be so insulting, not only toward them, but by inference to their audiences? What makes you so special and all those other people so inferior to you?

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMAXj26Z9W8

*clicks fingers*
YES, YES!

Korah_Eaglecry

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

In other words you didnt watch the video and simply came in here to act like an ass.

Joy_Division

Want to give @Gilliamtherogue huge props. So much insight in that video!

colig

Ajantisz wrote: »

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Ajantisz wrote: »

Actually players who speak out are often petulant and reactionary (over-reactionary typically), very often they arent really the people to listen to (I get the irony in this response aswell).

Oh really?! Petulant. Reactionary (a political term, BTW, not meant how you use it). Wait! Not reactionary but over-reactionary. Typically?!

So let's see. Based on your post, you don't like people who offer gaming info and recommendations on a YouTube channel or stream. Fine. Whatever floats your boat. But is it necessary to be so insulting, not only toward them, but by inference to their audiences? What makes you so special and all those other people so inferior to you?

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMAXj26Z9W8

*clicks fingers*
YES, YES!

I don't know how that video is relevant, but it was funny anyway.

Coilbox

Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »

Actually... it depends on how each of you/us/I heard things, which we all do differently. Some of you just forgot to hit your CAPS LOCK when responding to others.

I agree, controlling you variables does make things easier.

But, he also said, most good players will adapt, they always do, and they'll be fine.

So to sum up... his video is basically a 'git gud scrub'! ........ at least that's what I heard.

People will adapt and get over it basically if they find the new system to be rewarding, entertaining, or fun, cause in the end its a game and that is what you are looking for... He doesnt look like finding fun to have to sit on your ass, stop your rotation to heavy attack because you are out of resources and cant do anything else. I find it absolutely boring too and lacking of sense. Its a personal opinion, yes... but shared by many of us.

RavenSworn

Just a note, I solo a boss with my Nightblade tank, with the new cp and skill changes. I'll post a video when I can but I assure you it's possible. So I'm not too sure why people are still saying you can't kill one with the new changes.

Of course it was in tank gear so it made me tanker than normal but it is doable. It's definitely different from the norm but honestly it's all up to how the player builds their character.

MissBizz

RavenSworn wrote: »

Just a note, I solo a boss with my Nightblade tank, with the new cp and skill changes. I'll post a video when I can but I assure you it's possible. So I'm not too sure why people are still saying you can't kill one with the new changes.

Of course it was in tank gear so it made me tanker than normal but it is doable. It's definitely different from the norm but honestly it's all up to how the player builds their character.

It really depends on your playstyle, and more importantly... Your skill level. I hopped on pts and could kill a world boss, but hit a brick wall when attempting VMA. Meanwhile, others (more experienced) hopped in VMA, noticed a change, but it didn't impede their ability to complete. From what I saw on pts, it even effects (affects? Whatever) characters differently. Many folks just say "oh adapt!" But for some that's quite difficult especially when so many things change at once.

Galwylin

The only recommendation I thought he had for the devs was to take the scientific approach and not throw everything up in the air. The game may be at the spot they want with half of these. They may need to do even more gutting. But how do you know if you have fifteen different things you have changed. There's a good bit that sounds like the devs have gotten lost in the forest for all the trees. It will probably be entertaining to watch them recover the game after this. Just too bad we'll have to play this new beta.

Enslaved

What I see from these tests is that all rotations we are used to are now crap. Will need to find the best way to adapt to bs, but the dps loss is real. Also, no point in running siphoning anymore at all. 2k stamina just for activation with flat return of less than 400 stamina per non skill attack... They better boost the duration to a full minute or something, lol. If not, this will be scalding rune shiet tier skill from now on. Would love to see these tests done with sDK as well, if NDA does not prevent him to showcase them.

IwakuraLain42

Very good analysis of the changes affecting our current playstyles. The problem is that the developers want to change the game system but aren't very open (even dishonest if you ask me) about that.

The current system centers around the skills that you (within reason) can apply without restrictions each 0.9 sec, mixed with light/heahy attacks because skills have no cooldown.

The new system is supposed to have a (simulated) cooldown by a) gimping our resource pools and b) buffing light/heavy attacks via CP changes.

There is a bunch of problems with that (starting with the fact that they aren't very forthcoming with this):

a) the whole skill/passive system is build around synergies with skills
b) the encounters are designed around the old skill system
c) nothing is designed with cooldowns in mind

and most important (for me)

d) if I wanted to play a MMORPG with skill cooldowns then I would have chosen one that did it from the beginning

Spaghettiknight

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

I do a lot of heavy attacking for resources and I still think these changes are dumb. Please tell us exactly who the target audience is. Is it the casual players who use magic with a 2h sword because they don't know better? Is it the people who just do quests like the game is Skyrim? Clearly ZOS' idea of making something for their target audience means killing the game. This is the same kind of bullcrap Bethesda did with Skyrim. Pandering to anyone who has $60 instead of making the game for people who actually care about the series (or in this case, the health of ESO).