Gilliam the Rogue about Morrowind Patch Notes

Coilbox

I dont know if this video has been published on this forum already, but if not... everyone should have a look at it, and think about the implications of this changes in our loved game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK5D32QGsy0

spencer2361

I have yet to watch but man an hour is a bit long. I do enjoy his content though

D0ntevenL1ft

This guy just single handedly made ZOS look idiotic.

WhiteMage

That stuff after the hour mark: YES! THANK YOU! Someone needed to say that. The developers are NOT the experts in these things. You need to discuss these things with players, not dictate what exactly happens next because you say so, because you're the developers, and you know best. You don't. You get to set the general path of the game, but we can help you work out all the details the right way. Talk to us! Change your mind based on our feedback, not on what you do, but how you go about doing it. And if we tell you something needs fixing, it probably does, so look into it.

Stump

A well worded argument with details to back it up. +1 awesome for you sir. sure hope ZOS listens to the outcry of the community on this one.

Mojmir

Best explanation video so far

Integral1900

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

Rjizzle09

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

and when you get to a mechanic that you need insane damagd to get through lets see how much heavy attacking will help youXD plp that whine ans complain are mainly the plp completing content and hardmodes but to casuals who only light attack ans dont know rotations it doesnt matter much so its really easy to say stop complaining lol but the real kicker is this not only nerf elites it nerfs casuals as well who already struggled

JinMori

WhiteMage wrote: »

That stuff after the hour mark: YES! THANK YOU! Someone needed to say that. The developers are NOT the experts in these things. You need to discuss these things with players, not dictate what exactly happens next because you say so, because you're the developers, and you know best. You don't. You get to set the general path of the game, but we can help you work out all the details the right way. Talk to us! Change your mind based on our feedback, not on what you do, but how you go about doing it. And if we tell you something needs fixing, it probably does, so look into it.

Agreed it's not the devs who make the builds based on the mechanics in game, it's the players who do that, i saw how the average dev play the game when they make they're stream, and it's painful to watch.

There are many players who understand better then the devs how the mechanics work.

Sneaky-Snurr

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

@Integral1900
Let anyone vent their frustrations on the latest PTS patch notes.
It seems like you don't recognise the gravity of the situation.

I for one have always mixed up heavy attacks in my rotation but the nerf proposals in the latest notes are unreasonable and most importantly, unwarranted.

There were numerous of complaints on previous updates on the nerfs and/or changes to the mechanics of the game and I was fine with it but this is by far the most questionable in terms of the decisions and direction ZoS are taking.
This latest notes are also, again, by far the most negative ZoS have ever pushed out of their arses. That also comes with a lot of negative responses from the community as a whole and I've never ever seen such reactions since launch.

I will not quit the game once Morrowind drops and I will find my way around the new gameplay environment but that doesn't mean that I don't have any beef with ZoS for their latest f-uckery with the notes.
There's a reason why there are a lot people who are very agitated and unhappy. Look from their point of view.

Tholian1

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

Awaiting your detailed video explanation of why all the changes are great. Or at least why no one has any reason to "whine" about the change to combat.

max_only

NERD!

No really that was really in depth and I appreciate that there are people out there putting the hard math to their critiques.

He's doing a much better job speaking on a game dev's level than I could do.

#leavenightbladesalone

T@rty

Excellent video, explaining the potential problems and issues that the Morrow Wind patch will make. I can only hope ZoS take the time to listen to the likes of Gilliam and the many other members of the community who are deeply concerned about the forthcoming patch.

D0ntevenL1ft

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

Good grief, learn the difference between your and you're.

Coilbox

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

The target of that video should be everyone who cares about the game. Period.

Anyway, not gonna explain anything else to you, I think that video clears enough. If you have fun heavy attacking good for you. Enjoy it.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

"My stash of ***."

Lul

Lexxypwns

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

"My stash of ***."

Lul

right?

Jim_Pipp

Thanks for posting that. Giliam is easily my favourite youtuber.

Doctordarkspawn

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

And when you take the time to sit down and make a well detailed video on why we need to shut up well you can take your own advice, bubba.

JinMori

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

So basically what you are saying here is that you should accept everything that the devs throw at you, well i won't gilliam the rogue did an excellent job to call out the *** in these patch notes, you are not a tough guy for accepting *** changes, quite the contrary.

Having the ability to judge something when it's bad, it's not whining, it's called being able to think for yourself.

On the other hand accepting everything even if it's bad is not something to be proud of.

Well i won;t accept the new heavy attacking build meta, and i will do everything i can to change that, and if those patch notes will go live, then i will just leave, and i won't give a single penny to zenimax.

Gilliamtherogue

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

"My stash of ***."

Lul

It's actually a compilation of burger recipes.

Link for proof; http://imgur.com/gallery/rdffK

D0ntevenL1ft

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

"My stash of ***."

Lul

It's actually a compilation of burger recipes.

Link for proof; http://imgur.com/gallery/rdffK

Curious how long this video took to make. Id like to know just because clearly ZOS tested less hours than you did making this video before releasing the patch notes which i think is just horrendous. A single individual such as yourself did more extensive testing than an entire company.

Jacozilla

I agree with his comments 100%

But even if someone did not - there is one critical aspect pointed out by gilliamtherogue that if nothing else can be agreed on, should be the one thing --->

How can ZOS expect to make any sense of actual effect vs necessary new tweaks needed when so many variables have been changed?
The
With such massive changes, we know there we will be refining adjustments done after initial release. We know this. Absolute 100% fact.

But as gilliamtherogue pointed out, high school science 101 is limit your variables to ensure accurate cause and effect correlation.

Whether we agree or not that all these changes were necessary, good, bad, I am quitting enraged, whatever - ZOS should have changed CP only, take in the community response and adaptation over time after it fully sinks in, then make further tuning if neccesary to skill costs.

Let that sink in, players adapt, etc. Then some class changes, etc.

Not this insanity of changing all the major moving parts at once - cp changes, skill costs, class skill descriptions and rebalancing, racials, gear changes, etc. Pure amateur hour even if ther 'vision' of how their game 'should' be played is agreed.

Last - one point gilliamtherogue did not point out and so far I seem to be only one making the comment and have played pts - where the holy hell is the consideration of FUN in any of this? I say F the hell off and big middle finger salute to ZOS for so constantly making such see-saw changes every year or twice a year that no one ever feels safe they will have the game they grow to like for any period of time.

With these changes, why even play the warden? Because the launch description of the warden is entirely subject to change at the whim of ZOS. Just like the actual class description of the Templar is no longer true due to these changes.

Excabor

Tholian1 wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

Awaiting your detailed video explanation of why all the changes are great. Or at least why no one has any reason to "whine" about the change to combat.

Waiting....waiting....waiting....

Rayste

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

@Integral1900
Let anyone vent their frustrations on the latest PTS patch notes.
It seems like you don't recognise the gravity of the situation.

I for one have always mixed up heavy attacks in my rotation but the nerf proposals in the latest notes are unreasonable and most importantly, unwarranted.

There were numerous of complaints on previous updates on the nerfs and/or changes to the mechanics of the game and I was fine with it but this is by far the most questionable in terms of the decisions and direction ZoS are taking.
This latest notes are also, again, by far the most negative ZoS have ever pushed out of their arses. That also comes with a lot of negative responses from the community as a whole and I've never ever seen such reactions since launch.

I will not quit the game once Morrowind drops and I will find my way around the new gameplay environment but that doesn't mean that I don't have any beef with ZoS for their latest f-uckery with the notes.
There's a reason why there are a lot people who are very agitated and unhappy. Look from their point of view.

Heard at all before. Doom / Gloom its the same every major patch..... I have tested the changes and trust me they are not bad at all. You may have to change your build up a bit and drop some damage for regens ....

Gilliamtherogue

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

"My stash of ***."

Lul

It's actually a compilation of burger recipes.

Link for proof; http://imgur.com/gallery/rdffK

Curious how long this video took to make. Id like to know just because clearly ZOS tested less hours than you did making this video before releasing the patch notes which i think is just horrendous. A single individual such as yourself did more extensive testing than an entire company.

The video itself took about an hour and a half to record, but the knowledge I used as basis took months of understanding to employ.

Excabor

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

I think he meant you'r not the target audience

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Rayste wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Good grief, whine whine, learn to heavy attack, enough of the complaining, your not the target audience...

@Integral1900
Let anyone vent their frustrations on the latest PTS patch notes.
It seems like you don't recognise the gravity of the situation.

I for one have always mixed up heavy attacks in my rotation but the nerf proposals in the latest notes are unreasonable and most importantly, unwarranted.

There were numerous of complaints on previous updates on the nerfs and/or changes to the mechanics of the game and I was fine with it but this is by far the most questionable in terms of the decisions and direction ZoS are taking.
This latest notes are also, again, by far the most negative ZoS have ever pushed out of their arses. That also comes with a lot of negative responses from the community as a whole and I've never ever seen such reactions since launch.

I will not quit the game once Morrowind drops and I will find my way around the new gameplay environment but that doesn't mean that I don't have any beef with ZoS for their latest f-uckery with the notes.
There's a reason why there are a lot people who are very agitated and unhappy. Look from their point of view.

Heard at all before. Doom / Gloom its the same every major patch..... I have tested the changes and trust me they are not bad at all. You may have to change your build up a bit and drop some damage for regens ....

Don't forget the excitement of the Heavy Attack!

Coilbox

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

"My stash of ***."

Lul

It's actually a compilation of burger recipes.

Link for proof; http://imgur.com/gallery/rdffK

Curious how long this video took to make. Id like to know just because clearly ZOS tested less hours than you did making this video before releasing the patch notes which i think is just horrendous. A single individual such as yourself did more extensive testing than an entire company.

The video itself took about an hour and a half to record, but the knowledge I used as basis took months of understanding to employ.

Well, i personally cant thank you enough for all that time and effort invested, heard about you when trying to clear vMA, and since i started watching your vids my skill in game (which is still far from being any sort of elite player) improved exponentially. Never miss any of them, always learn something new that helps me and makes me a bit more efficient, and more important, to enjoy the game a bit more every day.

Again, thanks for your effort and for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us.

POps75p

Coilbox wrote: »

I dont know if this video has been published on this forum already, but if not... everyone should have a look at it, and think about the implications of this changes in our loved game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK5D32QGsy0

FTP, I've been playing a magic temp since day one, i'll love playing it, no it only use will be for crafting and doing my daily Enlightened, that's assuming that i'm still going to keep playing it. i'm 77 and retired, cant get around much so I spent most of the SS money I get to help play the game, so not going to continue to throw good money after bad

FU ZOS, join me in hell, with your gambling crates and no customer regard, which is totally your fault, when you buy something from the crown store and it does not say you already own it WTF cant you get a rebate after a couple of years (credit refund like the whole world does)

lookstwice

Let me guess, nothing in that video about the stealth speed stacking changes? I'm guessing not because it sure seems like only a few people are bothered by that. And it almost seems like it's bothering me the most.