PvE - Stamina DDs analysis (only existing classes)

melloni_aleb16_ESO

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

This is the type of stuff I love reading, and it helps tremendously.

Great post... thanks for taking the time to write it up!

really? O_o are you serious?
this thread is oriented to PvE (Just see the mentioned skills ) ...The problems are PvP side ...Spamming 8 HA and one single skill is not fun ...and DK it's ok .. sustain on stamplar is ok , medium armour is ok , Ulti destro staff is ok , etc etc ....all right

Draqone

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

really? O_o are you serious?
this thread is oriented to PvE (Just see the mentioned skills ) ...The problems are PvP side ...Spamming 8 HA and one single skill is not fun ...and DK it's ok .. sustain on stamplar is ok , medium armour is ok , Ulti destro staff is ok , etc etc ....all right

Because obviously developers can't be serious reading PvE feedback, right?

They have to listen to the PvP Master race, and only the PvP master race or the PvP master race will get the pitchforks and murder every forum with their incessant whining and spam.

Shadzilla

@Asmael One of the best posts I have seen on the forums, ever. Have you heard of any potential changes for the future in regards to stamina becoming somewhat usable in trials?

Izaki

Shadzilla wrote: »

@Asmael One of the best posts I have seen on the forums, ever. Have you heard of any potential changes for the future in regards to stamina becoming somewhat usable in trials?

Stamblades are very useful just for the Major Slayer

Strider_Roshin

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

@Asmael One of the best posts I have seen on the forums, ever. Have you heard of any potential changes for the future in regards to stamina becoming somewhat usable in trials?

Stamblades are very useful just for the Major Slayer

Stamplars can proc Major Slayer just as quickly, but provide better cleave damage, and minor breach/fracture.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Draqone wrote: »

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

really? O_o are you serious?
this thread is oriented to PvE (Just see the mentioned skills ) ...The problems are PvP side ...Spamming 8 HA and one single skill is not fun ...and DK it's ok .. sustain on stamplar is ok , medium armour is ok , Ulti destro staff is ok , etc etc ....all right

Because obviously developers can't be serious reading PvE feedback, right?

They have to listen to the PvP Master race, and only the PvP master race or the PvP master race will get the pitchforks and murder every forum with their incessant whining and spam.

Certainly difficult to balance and play against scripts ..but you would ...also like an answer ? Is it a joke? or i'm on candid camera?

Cronopoly

So how many of you have decent health insurance for the pending major muscle strains & Carpel Tunnel Syndrome for your left pointer finger.

Great detail in the OP, as we had heard that this was the likely direction many would have to take. ZOS has been dangling a Heavy Attack carrot out in front of us for a while now and finally made it mandatory in a Trial setting.

Another "unpaid consultant" gets warranted praise...ZOS you should give monies to posters like @Asmael

While I jest that by next year the game will be turn based

waitwhat

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

@Asmael One of the best posts I have seen on the forums, ever. Have you heard of any potential changes for the future in regards to stamina becoming somewhat usable in trials?

Stamblades are very useful just for the Major Slayer

Stamplars can proc Major Slayer just as quickly, but provide better cleave damage, and minor breach/fracture.

@Strider_Roshin

Are you talking Radial Sweep and its morphs? Those inflict minor breach and fracture now?

You're right on the cleave damage. I don't see a stamblade proc'ing War Machine with incap or soul harvest primarily, at least not in fights with many adds. Perhaps just keep Soul Harvest on main bar to fill up a cheap-ish, but more useful ultimate like Dawnbreaker, Veil of Blades, or Meteor. If you have two stamblades in proper rotation, you can probably do this with near constant uptime in fights with adds. In fights without adds, War Machine might make Radial/Incap the new call out, like War Horn.

waitwhat

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Hmm. So Stamina is superior this patch, but not in a way that absolutely eclipses Magicka.

Even being a Magicka player, I can live with that.

@EldritchPenguin

I wouldn't say superior.

Perhaps, "not nerfed as hard as magicka" but not superior. You won't see significant changes in the class compositions of leaderboards, apart from the addition of wardens at the templars' expense.

Templars are there for the Jesus Beam. Warden has no execute at all. I doubt it will be at the expense of templars. Most likely at the expense of a few Sorcs. Like we won't see 4-6 Sorcs, more like 3-5 Sorcs and 1-2 Wardens. IMHO.

@IzakiBrotherSs

Oh I meant more like the addition of warden healers at some templar healers' expense, since the templar group resource return abilities have been nerfed.

I agree we won't see much group composition changes, outside of the hope War Machine offers. Hell, two stamblades (or stamplars, whatever, if you insist on stealing my tiara before I get it fine), with 2h Carve in the rotation would not only allow for greater ulti generation, but also allow them to use Rally in trials as a DPS and heal buff. It would almost make the changes to Siphoning Strikes worthwhile, if the Warden's Netch was also given an on pool resource cost.

Strider_Roshin

waitwhat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

@Asmael One of the best posts I have seen on the forums, ever. Have you heard of any potential changes for the future in regards to stamina becoming somewhat usable in trials?

Stamblades are very useful just for the Major Slayer

Stamplars can proc Major Slayer just as quickly, but provide better cleave damage, and minor breach/fracture.

@Strider_Roshin

Are you talking Radial Sweep and its morphs? Those inflict minor breach and fracture now?

You're right on the cleave damage. I don't see a stamblade proc'ing War Machine with incap or soul harvest primarily, at least not in fights with many adds. Perhaps just keep Soul Harvest on main bar to fill up a cheap-ish, but more useful ultimate like Dawnbreaker, Veil of Blades, or Meteor. If you have two stamblades in proper rotation, you can probably do this with near constant uptime in fights with adds. In fights without adds, War Machine might make Radial/Incap the new call out, like War Horn.

Keeping Power of the light up every 6 seconds will keep up minor breach/fracture as well as providing ult regen. Crescent Sweep will be available for use as frequent as Incap which is why they're just as efficient at keeping Major Slayer up as Stamblades.

waitwhat

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

@Asmael One of the best posts I have seen on the forums, ever. Have you heard of any potential changes for the future in regards to stamina becoming somewhat usable in trials?

Stamblades are very useful just for the Major Slayer

Stamplars can proc Major Slayer just as quickly, but provide better cleave damage, and minor breach/fracture.

@Strider_Roshin

Are you talking Radial Sweep and its morphs? Those inflict minor breach and fracture now?

You're right on the cleave damage. I don't see a stamblade proc'ing War Machine with incap or soul harvest primarily, at least not in fights with many adds. Perhaps just keep Soul Harvest on main bar to fill up a cheap-ish, but more useful ultimate like Dawnbreaker, Veil of Blades, or Meteor. If you have two stamblades in proper rotation, you can probably do this with near constant uptime in fights with adds. In fights without adds, War Machine might make Radial/Incap the new call out, like War Horn.

Keeping Power of the light up every 6 seconds will keep up minor breach/fracture as well as providing ult regen. Crescent Sweep will be available for use as frequent as Incap which is why they're just as efficient at keeping Major Slayer up as Stamblades.

We'd probably want to bring both then, since that will work will with Reapering Mark for burning down adds.

waitwhat

Wait, does War Machine proc on Overload?

We're sure on that right?

Because even though you can't heal, weave, buff, etc. with overload, you can just activate it with the ultra-cheap cost, do nothing, and deactivate it to get the Major Slayer buff more efficiently than any other class.

@Asmael Does that make sense?

Asmael

eso_nya wrote: »

Im running 2h/bow on a stamplar in a while now. Heavy attacks weave very nicely into jabs (and reverse slice, tho i only noticed that on pts). the other thing that felt new: stamina goes up when HA-> reverse/killers.

What r your thoughts about Master Bow vs vMA bow? (as in 10%, 20%, 30% better?)

Noobish question: U use Molten Armaments and Weapondmg potion on sDK?

VMA Bow vs Master Bow > the initial test showed that the VMA bow was winning by a very comfortable margin. That being said, I also remember someone mentioning that cancelling a poison injection with a Master Bow could prevent the Master's Bow enchant from working, so I have to test this. I doubt this will change much to the end result, especially considering the extra Weapon Damage does not benefit from +%Weapon damage increase (such as Fighters' guild passives or Flawless Dawnbreaker).

Molten armaments and weapon damage, weapon crit & stamina potions on heavy attack buildz, yup.

Shadzilla wrote: »

@Asmael One of the best posts I have seen on the forums, ever. Have you heard of any potential changes for the future in regards to stamina becoming somewhat usable in trials?

Don't know much more than anyone else on what they're planning, I'm afraid.

waitwhat wrote: »

Wait, does War Machine proc on Overload?

We're sure on that right?

Because even though you can't heal, weave, buff, etc. with overload, you can just activate it with the ultra-cheap cost, do nothing, and deactivate it to get the Major Slayer buff more efficiently than any other class.

@Asmael Does that make sense?

I did not personally test it, but have seen / read multiple reports (both from guildies or here in the forums) that Overload cannot in any way proc Major Slayer.

Shadow-Fighter

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

This is the type of stuff I love reading, and it helps tremendously.

Great post... thanks for taking the time to write it up!

But...

you didnt understand @Asmael and our core issues at group content!

Update 15 buffs across the board of all classes and your lovely sorcs, nightblade gets some buffs too but our core pain exists!

caperon

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

This is the type of stuff I love reading, and it helps tremendously.

Great post... thanks for taking the time to write it up!

But...

you didnt understand @Asmael and our core issues at group content!

Update 15 buffs across the board of all classes and your lovely sorcs, nightblade gets some buffs too but our core pain exists!

What are you talking about, stamina in Morrowind is stronger than ever (other than bugged maces and ravager caltrops), ahead in single target dps and with a decent survavility with deadly cloak.

Top groups are using 2+ stam toons, thats 2+ more than before.