BUG: Lava currently counts as your own damage (triggers proc sets, etc)

ArtOfShred

This is actually a bug present on live too, however I just looked into it more: When standing in lava and taking damage - the damage dealt is counted as sourced from the player.

Experimenting with @Stormahawk in Stonefalls today, we discovered that proc sets like Illambris and Burning Spellweave will trigger, among other things. It seems pretty much anything that procs off damage will trigger.

If you die from the damage dealt by lava it triggers "kill" based procs. I'm a werewolf wearing Vicious Ophidian, so when I died I triggered the 9 ultimate gain from Banish the Wicked in the FG skill line and VO Stamina return.

The damage from lava also scales off champion point passives, I saw a direct increase in the damage I took from placing points into Elemental Expert.

Perhaps this is due to the fact that lava is actually coded as a buff rather than debuff?

While I'm at it I'll mention something I wanted to bring up a while ago and that is the lack of consistency with lava damage. It varies based on zone due to the multitude of abilityId's for it. Is it really necessary to have so many abilityId's for lava - could just use a single id and fix it to be a debuff for all lava in the game.

EDIT: Also I'm not sure every single type of lava causes this. It would take a bit too long to run around to all the zones and test every id.

Varxent

Can confirm this bug with lava proc's Burning Spell Weave.

Mattock_Romulus

Slaughter fish appear to set off procs as well.

Carbonised

ArtOfShred wrote: »

The damage from lava also scales off champion point passives, I saw a direct increase in the damage I took from placing points into Elemental Expert.

This is rather serious for Dunmer, especially Dunmer DKs.

Most of us will have pumped EE to increase our damage, and maybe this lava damage also increases from the Dunmer racial passive?

Dunmer have a passive that makes them more resistant to lava, this bug goes completely against that. My racial fire increase and CP Elemental Expert shouldn't make me take even more damage from environmental lava ...

SublimeSparo

Just lol.
I noticed this bug proccing veli ages ago after jumping in lava in vma after getting my 13th in a row charged drop. Thought veli was bugged, didn't realise it was a whole different level of incompetence.
So theoretically the lava geysers/ round based lava dmg in vma is affected by this as well...meaning magicka users take more dmg from them

Turelus

Glorious. So you're saying DK chains and Proc sets in the new Lava arena?

ArtOfShred

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Just lol.
I noticed this bug proccing veli ages ago after jumping in lava in vma after getting my 13th in a row charged drop. Thought veli was bugged, didn't realise it was a whole different level of incompetence.
So theoretically the lava geysers/ round based lava dmg in vma is affected by this as well...meaning magicka users take more dmg from them

Nah I highly doubt it. The lava stuff that pops out in that arena randomly has little red target circles. That means it has some kind of non-player source most likely. The issue with this one is that it's a buff that does damage to you and not a debuff with another source entity.

Carbonised

ArtOfShred wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Just lol.
I noticed this bug proccing veli ages ago after jumping in lava in vma after getting my 13th in a row charged drop. Thought veli was bugged, didn't realise it was a whole different level of incompetence.
So theoretically the lava geysers/ round based lava dmg in vma is affected by this as well...meaning magicka users take more dmg from them

Nah I highly doubt it. The lava stuff that pops out in that arena randomly has little red target circles. That means it has some kind of non-player source most likely. The issue with this one is that it's a buff that does damage to you and not a debuff with another source entity.

Even if the lava in MA isn't affected, there's still all the lava on the overworld maps, lava in Skoria fight, lava in Crucible fight, lava in battlegrounds, and probably lots of other places I've forgotten to mention.

This should be rather high on the list of bugs to fix, as it would affect every magicka user with points in EE, and possibly doubly affect any dunmers with racial passives too.

Nifty2g

This bug has been around for like 2 years

TankHealz2015

This is interesting bug:

i play a Tank in dungeons and specifically the Vet DLC (plus HM)
I have lots of points into elemental expert (yes, even as a tank) because i tend to swap around armor sets a lot for experimenting...

so for example in Bloodroot Forge -- with lots of lava damage everywhere

could this "bug" explain why the lava at final boss seems to melt my health?

The minotaurs: they smash their axes to the ground and create a volcano (tank has to step on them) could this also be why they hurt me so bad?

Gan Xing

Oooooooh this explains a lot..... I wondered why those AOE tended to hurt me more than any other AOE, even in the same dungeon