Nerf anything on sorc but dark exchange

Lord_MK

Please Zos lol. Do whatever you want but don't take this away from me. It's all I ask of you. I come to these forums humbly begging you

MissBizz

Literally the only change directed at Sorcs.

Don't be surprised when an angry mob runs in here listing off how many more nerfs they took.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Well they nerfed everyone else's class based source of sustain. Just wait till the next iteration of patch notes. Sorc will get it's turn before the bat.

ALL MUST BE NERFED TO PROMOTE WARDEN AND SELL MORE BOXES!

WhiteMage

I'm no expert on sorcs, but I'm pretty sure that if anything they have is over-performing, it's dark deal. As such, it's a likely candidate for a nerf, considering the spirit of this first round PTS. Which I mostly support.

Iyas

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Well they nerfed everyone else's class based source of sustain. Just wait till the next iteration of patch notes. Sorc will get it's turn before the bat.

ALL MUST BE NERFED TO PROMOTE WARDEN AND SELL MORE BOXES!

You sound like a DK

Domander

WhiteMage wrote: »

I'm no expert on sorcs, but I'm pretty sure that if anything they have is over-performing, it's dark deal. As such, it's a likely candidate for a nerf, considering the spirit of this first round PTS. Which I mostly support.

If it was instant maybe, but it's a 1 second channel. You could do a heavy attack instead. In pvp? if it's not interrupted it's nice, the only way this works without risk is by running off and hiding while channeling.

It's useful for some situations sure, but sorcs don't stop dps to channel, a heavy attack is a better use of that 1 second.

Brrrofski

Dark deal is broken strong.

Magica sorc and Stam sorc will be top dog next patch for sure.

Ironic that a year or so ago Stam sorc were so far behind. I made one when IC dropped and it was fun, sure, but pretty weak. Although I still miss that old either urge for PvP.

Dracane

You name it. Dark Deal is broken, which is the stamina variant of dark exchange. The magicka version is perfectly balanced and you can't really use it inside of combat, because you need your stamina to break free and it's way too risky to use and thus, I think the gain is justified.

Dark deal however costs magicka and there is barely any risk to use it. Magicka is just a dump ressource for Stamina Sorcerers that they can freely use as they wish and if they are OOM, it doesn't mean death either. This should be adjusted, and only this morph alone.

Izaki

Dracane wrote: »

You name it. Dark Deal is broken, which is the stamina variant of dark exchange. The magicka version is perfectly balanced and you can't really use it inside of combat, because you need your stamina to break free and it's way too risky to use and thus, I think the gain is justified.

Dark deal however costs magicka and there is barely any risk to use it. Magicka is just a dump ressource for Stamina Sorcerers that they can freely use as they wish and if they are OOM, it doesn't mean death either. This should be adjusted, and only this morph alone.

For once I actually agree with ^

Dark Deal should have a higher cost in magicka for sure. 3.2k magicka on live. It should be around 4590. That will make it MUCH tougher to manage magicka between Crit Surge, Streak and Dark Deal.

Biro123

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You name it. Dark Deal is broken, which is the stamina variant of dark exchange. The magicka version is perfectly balanced and you can't really use it inside of combat, because you need your stamina to break free and it's way too risky to use and thus, I think the gain is justified.

Dark deal however costs magicka and there is barely any risk to use it. Magicka is just a dump ressource for Stamina Sorcerers that they can freely use as they wish and if they are OOM, it doesn't mean death either. This should be adjusted, and only this morph alone.

For once I actually agree with ^

Dark Deal should have a higher cost in magicka for sure. 3.2k magicka on live. It should be around 4590. That will make it MUCH tougher to manage magicka between Crit Surge, Streak and Dark Deal.

I think its probably already been hit hard. Dark deal is only strong because of constitution - which took a massive nerf. You now have higher cost stam abilities which means more dark dealing to recover - which would mean needing more mag return to cater for that - but instead, mag return is halved. No - it hasn't directly been nerfed, but indirectly its taken a big hit.

Will just need to see how it plays out.

Lord_MK

Biro123 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You name it. Dark Deal is broken, which is the stamina variant of dark exchange. The magicka version is perfectly balanced and you can't really use it inside of combat, because you need your stamina to break free and it's way too risky to use and thus, I think the gain is justified.

Dark deal however costs magicka and there is barely any risk to use it. Magicka is just a dump ressource for Stamina Sorcerers that they can freely use as they wish and if they are OOM, it doesn't mean death either. This should be adjusted, and only this morph alone.

For once I actually agree with ^

Dark Deal should have a higher cost in magicka for sure. 3.2k magicka on live. It should be around 4590. That will make it MUCH tougher to manage magicka between Crit Surge, Streak and Dark Deal.

I think its probably already been hit hard. Dark deal is only strong because of constitution - which took a massive nerf. You now have higher cost stam abilities which means more dark dealing to recover - which would mean needing more mag return to cater for that - but instead, mag return is halved. No - it hasn't directly been nerfed, but indirectly its taken a big hit.

Will just need to see how it plays out.

^^^

Bashev

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You name it. Dark Deal is broken, which is the stamina variant of dark exchange. The magicka version is perfectly balanced and you can't really use it inside of combat, because you need your stamina to break free and it's way too risky to use and thus, I think the gain is justified.

Dark deal however costs magicka and there is barely any risk to use it. Magicka is just a dump ressource for Stamina Sorcerers that they can freely use as they wish and if they are OOM, it doesn't mean death either. This should be adjusted, and only this morph alone.

For once I actually agree with ^

Dark Deal should have a higher cost in magicka for sure. 3.2k magicka on live. It should be around 4590. That will make it MUCH tougher to manage magicka between Crit Surge, Streak and Dark Deal.

This is a good suggestion. The skill will be still strong but not spamable. Also if it is interrupted it should take the magicka. Risk vs reward.

Dracane

Biro123 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You name it. Dark Deal is broken, which is the stamina variant of dark exchange. The magicka version is perfectly balanced and you can't really use it inside of combat, because you need your stamina to break free and it's way too risky to use and thus, I think the gain is justified.

Dark deal however costs magicka and there is barely any risk to use it. Magicka is just a dump ressource for Stamina Sorcerers that they can freely use as they wish and if they are OOM, it doesn't mean death either. This should be adjusted, and only this morph alone.

For once I actually agree with ^

Dark Deal should have a higher cost in magicka for sure. 3.2k magicka on live. It should be around 4590. That will make it MUCH tougher to manage magicka between Crit Surge, Streak and Dark Deal.

I think its probably already been hit hard. Dark deal is only strong because of constitution - which took a massive nerf. You now have higher cost stam abilities which means more dark dealing to recover - which would mean needing more mag return to cater for that - but instead, mag return is halved. No - it hasn't directly been nerfed, but indirectly its taken a big hit.

Will just need to see how it plays out.

Looking at it this way, I must agree. With the upcoming sustain changes and nerfs, dark deal might as well be balanced as it is.
But people are comparing dark deal to other means of restoration and it will remain superior even with the changes. Let ZoS figure it out and if they are happy with how it's working.

TBois

Time to get off the dark deal train and make some room for bound armaments even in pvp

Biro123

TBois wrote: »

Time to get off the dark deal train and make some room for bound armaments even in pvp

Man that soo bugs me... The only way for a stamsorc to get access to its stam regen passive is to slot this pos which has to be double-barred... But I guess if the new meta is heavy attacks....

Izaki

Bound Armaments is so good. That max stam, that regen, those heavy attacks (and the crappy 2% physical mitigation)... That's what a toggle should look like. Not the crappy 2% spell mitigation on Bound Aegis.

Biro123

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Bound Armaments is so good. That max stam, that regen, those heavy attacks (and the crappy 2% physical mitigation)... That's what a toggle should look like. Not the crappy 2% spell mitigation on Bound Aegis.

Its never been worth the 2 slots it takes imho.

technohic

Domander wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

I'm no expert on sorcs, but I'm pretty sure that if anything they have is over-performing, it's dark deal. As such, it's a likely candidate for a nerf, considering the spirit of this first round PTS. Which I mostly support.

If it was instant maybe, but it's a 1 second channel. You could do a heavy attack instead. In pvp? if it's not interrupted it's nice, the only way this works without risk is by running off and hiding while channeling.

It's useful for some situations sure, but sorcs don't stop dps to channel, a heavy attack is a better use of that 1 second.

I sit there on my sorc using it and I wonder why people even bring up the 1 second channel. it is a faster animation of BOL that templars use. it's just interruptible but I can't see anyone interrupting it unless they are spamming an interrupt.

At any rate; all these nerfs are BS when you look at Warden.

Izaki

Biro123 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Bound Armaments is so good. That max stam, that regen, those heavy attacks (and the crappy 2% physical mitigation)... That's what a toggle should look like. Not the crappy 2% spell mitigation on Bound Aegis.

Its never been worth the 2 slots it takes imho.

I've always been finding the opposte.

Biro123

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Bound Armaments is so good. That max stam, that regen, those heavy attacks (and the crappy 2% physical mitigation)... That's what a toggle should look like. Not the crappy 2% spell mitigation on Bound Aegis.

Its never been worth the 2 slots it takes imho.

I've always been finding the opposte.

I know its all getting a bit off-topic - but we'll have to agree to disagree then.. When I look at the whole (current) stamsorc setup, you kind of have to have hurricane/crit-surge/dark-deal/vigour. Adding bound armaments means 6/10 slots taken up just for buffs and sustain. It just doesn't leave very much for weapon abilities...
I also tend not to look at the regen you get as part of the bound armaments ability - but as a class passive that shouldn't really be forcing you to use up 2 slots for some minor buffs to get.

TBois

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Bound Armaments is so good. That max stam, that regen, those heavy attacks (and the crappy 2% physical mitigation)... That's what a toggle should look like. Not the crappy 2% spell mitigation on Bound Aegis.

Its never been worth the 2 slots it takes imho.

I've always been finding the opposte.

My heavy armor build has 2k regen with it and 40k stam on the pts, but yeah the double bar is silly.