To all the people who are already mad about the Morrowind patch...

waterfairy

You speak as if they'll listen to what a majority of players want and revert their changes. They never listen to what is needed for most...hell they won't even gives us weapon dyes because they don't want it in their game. ZOS needs to realize that it's their game but we are the players...without us they have nothing.

AzraelKrieg

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

You are not alone, I love these changes. Now people are going to actually have to gear for resource management. Long over due if you ask me.

I see people making a choice between sustain with lower damage or high damage and relying on their group to support them.

TequilaFire

Yes on a positive note you can always reroll a mag sorc.

leepalmer95

TequilaFire wrote: »

Yes on a positive note you can always reroll a mag sorc.

yeah everything but a mag sorc seems changed.

Pirate skeleton is still pretty strong as well, maybe a mag sorc meta? Amberplasm + dark exchange will have mag sorc's covered from any sustain nerfs.

Though shields are quite expensive and with the little window of having no skills after a dark deal cast it may be risky for sorc's because they'll lose the ability to reshield.

Strider_Roshin

TequilaFire wrote: »

Yes on a positive note you can always reroll a mag sorc.

Lol they did pretty much leave unscathed didn't they. Keep in mind there are always more changes. They typically come in the third patch.

Doctordarkspawn

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

You are not alone, I love these changes. Now people are going to actually have to gear for resource management. Long over due if you ask me.

I see people making a choice between sustain with lower damage or high damage and relying on their group to support them.

No it wont.

What'll happen, is now people will build full sustain, not be able to complete content that is completely reliant on DPS, SOTH, raids, ect, and one of two things will happen.

A, ZoS will ease up. This wont happen nine times out of ten.

B. The game will be rebalanced, with some nerfs to enemy HP and resistances. More likely.

If neither of these things happen, endgame PVE Hits a wall. Aaaaaand where we go from there, well, I dont know.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Have we blamed PvPers yet? C'mon kids ... I know you want to.

leepalmer95

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Have we blamed PvPers yet? C'mon kids ... I know you want to.

Oh they already have ... everything is pvpers fault.

Its not zos combating the power creep by nerfing sustain instead of skills to reduce these 50-60k dps builds..
Or the perma block tanks capable of self sustaining pretty much anything...

Doctordarkspawn

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Have we blamed PvPers yet? C'mon kids ... I know you want to.

While the PVP whining certainly had an influence, this pattern is something ZOS has been doing for a while now.

It demands you build one way, and then undermines your ability to do that because of the whining of 'this game isn't hard enough for my taste'. S'not fully one or the other at this point, hence why it's a downward spiral.

Turelus

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

ZOS MADE ESO HARDER

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

Lol I'm one of the people that wanted the game to be harder, now ZOS made it harder so I'm happy, and even made a positive thread about it

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335932/thank-you-zenimax#latest

@Strider_Roshin Positivity is against forums unofficial rules, didn't you know? I am calling the happy moderators and to shut you down!

Demion

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

You are not alone, I love these changes. Now people are going to actually have to gear for resource management. Long over due if you ask me.

Nah you both are far from alone, I came back and tried to learn much of the current "meta" again or how I would play with my by then only character Stamina/Magica Imperial Templar. Resources should be a part of the game and not a perma sustain spam build

zuto40

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

You are not alone, I love these changes. Now people are going to actually have to gear for resource management. Long over due if you ask me.

*** off you don't even play stop trolling

Ch4mpTW

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

It's really not ok.

@Ch4mpTW right now:

https://youtu.be/dhZTNgAs4Fc

@Strider_Roshin Lmao! That's a good 1. My Chemical Romance is the only thing that seems to understand me, after mommy and daddy ZOS did this to me. *flips emo hair.*

xeNNNNN

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

No! The sky is falling, servers will shut down, Bethesda will never recover from this!! EVERYONE PANIC!

/sarcasm

and in other news..................................EVERYONE RUN! ZoS IS ACTUALLY A CHEESE WHEEL THAT WILL CONQUER THE WORLD!

Lord_Eomer

ZOS is kicking another game:

Developers Versus Loyal Players

vamp_emily

Strider_Roshin

Turelus wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

ZOS MADE ESO HARDER

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

Lol I'm one of the people that wanted the game to be harder, now ZOS made it harder so I'm happy, and even made a positive thread about it

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335932/thank-you-zenimax#latest

@Strider_Roshin Positivity is against forums unofficial rules, didn't you know? I am calling the happy moderators and to shut you down!

zuto40 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

You are not alone, I love these changes. Now people are going to actually have to gear for resource management. Long over due if you ask me.

*** off you don't even play stop trolling

Apparently @zuto40 is moderating me

zuto40

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

ZOS MADE ESO HARDER

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

Lol I'm one of the people that wanted the game to be harder, now ZOS made it harder so I'm happy, and even made a positive thread about it

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335932/thank-you-zenimax#latest

@Strider_Roshin Positivity is against forums unofficial rules, didn't you know? I am calling the happy moderators and to shut you down!

zuto40 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

You are not alone, I love these changes. Now people are going to actually have to gear for resource management. Long over due if you ask me.

*** off you don't even play stop trolling

Apparently @zuto40 is moderating me

one more comment and i'll have to ban you

karios525

If we have to choose between sustain or dps once again zeni force us to play their way not the way we want to, they don't seem to grasp the core element which made the Elder Scrolls so successful, wait for it.....Freedom of choice, to play the game the way you want. I know people will say new sets, new builds, problem solved, well grinding in this game is so stupid its untrue with way too many awful traits. They need to reverse their stupid nerfing, after a 2 month break I come back to my templar to find myself only maxing dps at 40k. In regard to pvp yeah most nerfing is in relation to it but again that is zeni's fault, as pvp is in a different instance then sure nerf whatever you like, when you leave cyro remove the nerfing, not exactly rocket science if you have an actual brain lol. Already cancelled my sub as with way better mmo's on the horizon zeni really need to sort this mess of a game out, if not they deserve to lose their player base. Me am done with this unstable mess of incompetent programming for now, need a break, back to stable games with interesting storylines, and oh yeah combos, not stupid rotations.

AlienatedGoat

karios525 wrote: »

If we have to choose between sustain or dps once again zeni force us to play their way not the way we want to, they don't seem to grasp the core element which made the Elder Scrolls so successful, wait for it.....Freedom of choice, to play the game the way you want. I know people will say new sets, new builds, problem solved, well grinding in this game is so stupid its untrue with way too many awful traits. They need to reverse their stupid nerfing, after a 2 month break I come back to my templar to find myself only maxing dps at 40k. In regard to pvp yeah most nerfing is in relation to it but again that is zeni's fault, as pvp is in a different instance then sure nerf whatever you like, when you leave cyro remove the nerfing, not exactly rocket science if you have an actual brain lol. Already cancelled my sub as with way better mmo's on the horizon zeni really need to sort this mess of a game out, if not they deserve to lose their player base. Me am done with this unstable mess of incompetent programming for now, need a break, back to stable games with interesting storylines, and oh yeah combos, not stupid rotations.

Dreyfron

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Let people read the notes and come to their own conclusions.

Free thought.

Those conclusions though usually result in the ESO Doomsday cult and habitual quitters coming out, most from the console portion of the game where they don't have the PTS to test this stuff out.

I have the PTS to test stuff out and I'm done with this game.

Let people make their own decisions, your not your brothers keeper.

@Doctordarkspawn Bruh, you are easily 1 of my favorite posters on these forums. I swear you be telling straight facts and the truth. Take this strong +1, fam'. Keep telling it like it is.

I try.

Though to be honest this may be the last time I -do- post. I paid for a game and I'm no longer able to play it how I want to. RIP.

What you gonna play instead?

Bam_Bam

Phage wrote: »

Chill out.

Seriously.



The PTS exists for a reason, you know? If you have a serious problem with one of the changes in the patch notes, go ahead and let ZOS know why and how. But maybe try to be constructive about it?

Put the brakes on the quit threads, the RIP threads, and the you've-ruined-the-game threads.

At least give the PTS team a chance to adjust their plans before you go Full Drama Mode™. I mean, c'mon...the beta just started.

Just because it's in the patch notes doesn't mean it'll make it into the final product, so do yourself a favor and calm down.

It's going to be OK. Just BREATHE.

Except that when every update goes live, it is even worse than when it was on the PTS.....

"WTF ZoS, you had a whole month to fix things and listen and you've actually managed to make them worse."

The amount of bugs this update's going to bring will be pretty amazing. I mean, there are TONS that still haven't been fixed and each update and patch creates more. *sigh*

Bam_Bam

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

So you're completely unfamiliar with how ZOS rarely makes any big changes from PTS to game patch?

No chill.

This. x1000000

Bam_Bam

Phage wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Maybe its because we know they have very limited resources and ~70% of the stuff ends up on live anyway?
This is my 6th patch and we all know how things work, one or other skill ends up being changed but in general changes and bugs go to live.

That's no different from any other game, so complaining about it changes exactly zilch.

The whole reason the beta is closed with an NDA this time is so that ZOS can get the most quality feedback possible. If you want to contribute to that feedback, the best way is to participate in the beta, if you can. If not, then make constructive feedback outside of the beta.

The key here is to actually contribute in a meaningful manner.

SO the angry people can choose to either rage and see nothing come of their angry threads, or they can choose to at least try to give ZOS something they can use in the way of constructive feedback. It's a tough choice, I'm sure.

Oh wait...

Last month thery had a bunch of the top; players and community members visit ZoS. PvEers, PvPers etc etc they all went to ZoS head quareters to give input and suggestions about how the game should go.

On the release of the patch notes, thois same players are saying they are absolutely gutted with the parch notes. I don't always agree or like some of the things these guys and gals come out with but they are still a bloody good barometer for predicting the outcome of things that happen in game.

ZOS_JohanaB

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