To all the people who are already mad about the Morrowind patch...

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Zos introducing a new game mode - PvD - Player vs Developer

Shadzilla

Phage wrote: »

Chill out.

Seriously.



The PTS exists for a reason, you know? If you have a serious problem with one of the changes in the patch notes, go ahead and let ZOS know why and how. But maybe try to be constructive about it?

Put the brakes on the quit threads, the RIP threads, and the you've-ruined-the-game threads.

At least give the PTS team a chance to adjust their plans before you go Full Drama Mode™. I mean, c'mon...the beta just started.

Just because it's in the patch notes doesn't mean it'll make it into the final product, so do yourself a favor and calm down.

It's going to be OK. Just BREATHE.

How long have you been playing this game? 95% of everything that hits PTS stays the same... Last thing I saw changed from the PTS was the bone shield buff attempt.

D0ntevenL1ft

Shadzilla wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Chill out.

Seriously.



The PTS exists for a reason, you know? If you have a serious problem with one of the changes in the patch notes, go ahead and let ZOS know why and how. But maybe try to be constructive about it?

Put the brakes on the quit threads, the RIP threads, and the you've-ruined-the-game threads.

At least give the PTS team a chance to adjust their plans before you go Full Drama Mode™. I mean, c'mon...the beta just started.

Just because it's in the patch notes doesn't mean it'll make it into the final product, so do yourself a favor and calm down.

It's going to be OK. Just BREATHE.

How long have you been playing this game? 95% of everything that hits PTS stays the same... Last thing I saw changed from the PTS was the bone shield buff attempt.

Hes not a smart individual we have established that. He just wants to argue against the grain to show how cool he is.

Doctordarkspawn

Minnesinger wrote: »

Can someone list the biggest changes? I have already been told that there will be multiple nerfs. Yes I am a bit lazy about this and certainly feel entitled to have my answer. Sorry for this but if the changes hit roll dodge or s&b they are welcomed. Warden is gonna hit big. #No sorc nerfs#

Sustain is nerfed across the board. Both Magician and warlord are gone.

All armor buffs got nerfed, heavy armor especially.

Rapid strikes got a 60% increase, and most class methods of sustain got nerfed.

The game itself, mobs, damage, and health numbers, were not built to suit.

AzraelKrieg

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Can someone list the biggest changes? I have already been told that there will be multiple nerfs. Yes I am a bit lazy about this and certainly feel entitled to have my answer. Sorry for this but if the changes hit roll dodge or s&b they are welcomed. Warden is gonna hit big. #No sorc nerfs#

Sustain is nerfed across the board. Both Magician and warlord are gone.

All armor buffs got nerfed, heavy armor especially.

Rapid strikes got a 60% increase, and most class methods of sustain got nerfed.

The game itself, mobs, damage, and health numbers, were not built to suit.

It wasn't Rapid Strikes, it was Twin Slashes.

Sigma957

It's the same with every patch that goes on the pts first, people read first and s*** themselves, stomp around like little children who didn't get some candy from the shop lol How about you go test the changes on the pts with your current builds to see what it is like then rant and rave in the pts forums about the changes.

Doctordarkspawn

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Can someone list the biggest changes? I have already been told that there will be multiple nerfs. Yes I am a bit lazy about this and certainly feel entitled to have my answer. Sorry for this but if the changes hit roll dodge or s&b they are welcomed. Warden is gonna hit big. #No sorc nerfs#

Sustain is nerfed across the board. Both Magician and warlord are gone.

All armor buffs got nerfed, heavy armor especially.

Rapid strikes got a 60% increase, and most class methods of sustain got nerfed.

The game itself, mobs, damage, and health numbers, were not built to suit.

It wasn't Rapid Strikes, it was Twin Slashes.

Muh bad.

Still, the root of basicly the entire game, and how consistantly you do damage was nerfed into the ground.

Beardimus

Same every patch, people cry, then adapt then carry on.

Classic Change Curve.

Oh and join the band wagon moaning about any class they cant kill.

Demion

I made popcorn for breakfast @Turelus this is funny

Minnesinger

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Can someone list the biggest changes? I have already been told that there will be multiple nerfs. Yes I am a bit lazy about this and certainly feel entitled to have my answer. Sorry for this but if the changes hit roll dodge or s&b they are welcomed. Warden is gonna hit big. #No sorc nerfs#

Sustain is nerfed across the board. Both Magician and warlord are gone.

All armor buffs got nerfed, heavy armor especially.

Rapid strikes got a 60% increase, and most class methods of sustain got nerfed.

The game itself, mobs, damage, and health numbers, were not built to suit.

Okay I am still playing the part of a-hole but what rewards we get for playing the game for a long time. I fully support the welcoming new comers to the game, but with the initial cap of 600 I feel the game has little to no rewards. Still this needs to be tested and as someone not having the betal invitation I truly hope they know what they are doing.

Minnesinger

I liked the hardcore content in pve and I don´t understand why MMO should be solo content. Wish that is the direction they take.

LadyDestiny

Be interesting to see Vma, trials, vet II dungeons and the like with all these nerfs. No sustain or recovery, nerfef damge and heals....ha ha ha. Sorry, being sarcastic but my mood is bad atm.

Ballzy321

Get ready for the caltrops party in cyrodil. Bridge fights should be fun with stam and magic spamming it. Rip

leepalmer95

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

Doctordarkspawn

Minnesinger wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Can someone list the biggest changes? I have already been told that there will be multiple nerfs. Yes I am a bit lazy about this and certainly feel entitled to have my answer. Sorry for this but if the changes hit roll dodge or s&b they are welcomed. Warden is gonna hit big. #No sorc nerfs#

Sustain is nerfed across the board. Both Magician and warlord are gone.

All armor buffs got nerfed, heavy armor especially.

Rapid strikes got a 60% increase, and most class methods of sustain got nerfed.

The game itself, mobs, damage, and health numbers, were not built to suit.

Okay I am still playing the part of a-hole but what rewards we get for playing the game for a long time. I fully support the welcoming new comers to the game, but with the initial cap of 600 I feel the game has little to no rewards. Still this needs to be tested and as someone not having the betal invitation I truly hope they know what they are doing.

This isn't really giving the newcomers anything tho.

You can go ahed and test the base game patches on the regular PTS, the only thing under NDA is the morrowind content.

But yeah, no, if anything this is gonna drive new people away because they'll just hit that wall of 'sod off' sooner. In fact, all this does is hurt everyones ability to do all the content, and that's why you see the massive outcry.

If ZOS wants to go ahed and reverse it, it might get my money again. As it stands? They seem to have forsaken everything for the sake -of- the hardcore raiders and PVPers who want everything to be a ticklefight.

Doctordarkspawn

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

PVP is not the end all be all, nor should It be. PVE gets nerfed for PVP the same as it ever was, and kills the game as a result.

Ballzy321

I'm just pissed about caltrops least there's zero chance all the new warden bears won't be going any where in cyrodil with all the caltrops

OrphanHelgen

People said this last patch too, to not worry because pts is there and testing and feedback etc. Non of our feedback went through, and it wont happen this patch either.

mr_wazzabi

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Maybe its because we know they have very limited resources and ~70% of the stuff ends up on live anyway?
This is my 6th patch and we all know how things work, one or other skill ends up being changed but in general changes and bugs go to live.

THIS 100x. Do we really have to have a "ITS JUST A TEST" post every patch cycle. "Just wait and see" is not an effective strategy for a company that doesn't reverse bad decisions unless there is a complete uproar.

Either way its kind of fun seeing people react to all the nerfs. Most of that stuff has been nerfed before. Battle roar, nerfed before. Redguard. nerfed before.

It's time to admit the POWER CREEP caused by the disgusting champeon system is killing the game and the only solution is to remove it, spit on it's memory and re-instate smarter attribute controls (like softcaps).

The only thing I'm going to admit is that unless the content is changed to suit, and it wont, this game dosent want my money.

This.

Nobody but the very best guilds can beat the enrage timers without stacking 3 damage glyphs on jewelery and wearing damage sets.

For those of us that have real sustain issues, we'll have to put all jewlery into sustain, which is a loss of 522 weapon or spell damage. That's huge. 522 is more than scathing mage, julianos, hundings, and most other damage sets.

Losing 522 weapon or spell damage and expecting to pass enrage timers in vma and hard mode trials? No chance.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

@leepalmer95 is right. Jump on the max resource train if you want to live people. The only way you're sustaining now is via heavy attacks and a larger gas tank.

Oh ... and thanks for the Willpower tip. It worked. I got to 50k magic.

http://imgur.com/fVoSogu

White wabbit

ADarklore wrote: »

Oh all the complaining and 'I quit' threads are typical, it happens every major patch when there are significant changes. Yet, those same players who threatened to quit are still here and those who left were replaced by new players who knew nothing of what the game 'use to be'.

Yes but are we losing more players than that are replaced

redspecter23

Phage wrote: »

Chill out.

Seriously.



The PTS exists for a reason, you know? If you have a serious problem with one of the changes in the patch notes, go ahead and let ZOS know why and how. But maybe try to be constructive about it?

Put the brakes on the quit threads, the RIP threads, and the you've-ruined-the-game threads.

At least give the PTS team a chance to adjust their plans before you go Full Drama Mode™. I mean, c'mon...the beta just started.

Just because it's in the patch notes doesn't mean it'll make it into the final product, so do yourself a favor and calm down.

It's going to be OK. Just BREATHE.

I don't have a problem with "one of the changes". I have a problem with the entire core theme of the update and the development team that is leading the charge on that change. I have a problem with the game I enjoy playing becoming unenjoyable to the the point of pure rage and frustration. I have a problem with a dev team so out of touch with their pve playerbase that they will nerf us to Oblivion and charge us $80 for the pleasure of it.

If I rage on the forums, I do it because I want to be playing this game in 3 months time instead of moving on to something else. If I threaten to quit, it's because I honestly have no faith left in the process. I express my concerns here as a last line before moving on to some other game that I will probably not enjoy as much as I have enjoyed ESO. I want to make my voice heard instead of just sitting back and letting the nerf wave wash over me.

If I'm too dramatic for you, feel free to ignore me, but I'm here expressing how I feel until I'm no longer here. I won't rage out in a goodbye thread. I'll just be here one day and gone the next.

I'll breathe when I'm good and ready to.

Pallio

Typical fanboy response, wait and see etc.....

As we have seen with every patch so far, 90% will go live, regardless of feedback from PTS testers.

But, sure we can wait and see, again, how terrible this patch will be for everyone.

zaria

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Can someone list the biggest changes? I have already been told that there will be multiple nerfs. Yes I am a bit lazy about this and certainly feel entitled to have my answer. Sorry for this but if the changes hit roll dodge or s&b they are welcomed. Warden is gonna hit big. #No sorc nerfs#

Sustain is nerfed across the board. Both Magician and warlord are gone.

All armor buffs got nerfed, heavy armor especially.

Rapid strikes got a 60% increase, and most class methods of sustain got nerfed.

The game itself, mobs, damage, and health numbers, were not built to suit.

Okay I am still playing the part of a-hole but what rewards we get for playing the game for a long time. I fully support the welcoming new comers to the game, but with the initial cap of 600 I feel the game has little to no rewards. Still this needs to be tested and as someone not having the betal invitation I truly hope they know what they are doing.

This isn't really giving the newcomers anything tho.

You can go ahed and test the base game patches on the regular PTS, the only thing under NDA is the morrowind content.

But yeah, no, if anything this is gonna drive new people away because they'll just hit that wall of 'sod off' sooner. In fact, all this does is hurt everyones ability to do all the content, and that's why you see the massive outcry.

If ZOS wants to go ahed and reverse it, it might get my money again. As it stands? They seem to have forsaken everything for the sake -of- the hardcore raiders and PVPers who want everything to be a ticklefight.

My take on it too, most will not notice this first as they will level wardens, take him to dungeons and he sucks, yes he is not max level, try main who also suck.
Pugs will be fun

zuto40

ADarklore wrote: »

Oh all the complaining and 'I quit' threads are typical, it happens every major patch when there are significant changes. Yet, those same players who threatened to quit are still here and those who left were replaced by new players who knew nothing of what the game 'use to be'.

I promise you I won't be, Morrowind is the last straw

Strider_Roshin

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

It's really not ok.

@Ch4mpTW right now:

https://youtu.be/dhZTNgAs4Fc

Torbschka

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

U r not, i love the changes. But those who are crying usually the loudest (and worst).

Its everytime the same...
Cry - adapt - finde. People just like the dra I guess.

Strider_Roshin

Turelus wrote: »

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

MAKE ESO HARDER!

ZOS MADE ESO HARDER

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

OMFG MORONS BROKE GAME RIP ESO UNSUBBING!

Lol I'm one of the people that wanted the game to be harder, now ZOS made it harder so I'm happy, and even made a positive thread about it

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335932/thank-you-zenimax#latest

Runschei

I've been here since beta. They will mess up something

Strider_Roshin

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Am i the only one whose happy with the changes? The infinite sustain tank meta in pvp was annoying.

Sustain was basically ignored in most of pve and pvp. People are so angry that they have to think about sustain again.

You are not alone, I love these changes. Now people are going to actually have to gear for resource management. Long over due if you ask me.