Increase max stat..how does it work?

Lyserus

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

paulsimonps

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

Lyserus

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

paulsimonps

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

flguy147ub17_ESO

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

Man i hate to hijack the thread but i gotta say thanks to you. I have seen you now respond to many people's posts that have questions and you helping them, even responded to one of mine a couple weeks ago. Need more people like you willing to provide answers and be helpful. Thanks again for always trying to help people.

Izaki

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

Lexxypwns

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

This gotta be a pve build, fury/wrath is too good not to use in pvp

paulsimonps

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

Pulling some good numbers. I like the rotation and I don't have to worry about anything really just keep up what I am doing and I am fine. I rarely DPS to begin with as I main tank Trials so can't really give you a parse for Trials but I did 38k on bloodspawn so that's not bad. I mean I am as I said not a DPS so I'm not that good at keeping my rotation perfect but I have seen people with the same build set up do really good.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

This gotta be a pve build, fury/wrath is too good not to use in pvp

Yes its PvE.

Bombashaman

"...*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+..."

I alwas thought getting more CP points actually lowers your attributes and using them on constellations compensates for that.

paulsimonps

Bombashaman wrote: »

"...*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+..."

I alwas thought getting more CP points actually lowers your attributes and using them on constellations compensates for that.

Um no???? Where did you get that idea?

Izaki

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

This gotta be a pve build, fury/wrath is too good not to use in pvp

Of course its a PvE build with that skill layout :P I couldn't care less about PvP nowadays, waiting for the CP changes to kick in to get back to it.

paulsimonps wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

Pulling some good numbers. I like the rotation and I don't have to worry about anything really just keep up what I am doing and I am fine. I rarely DPS to begin with as I main tank Trials so can't really give you a parse for Trials but I did 38k on bloodspawn so that's not bad. I mean I am as I said not a DPS so I'm not that good at keeping my rotation perfect but I have seen people with the same build set up do really good.

Yeah it does seem pretty nice indeed, the extra magicka is pretty killer, I'm just really used to having Prey on the front bar for the extra chance to proc Frags, so really hesitant to learn a new bar layout ^^

Bombashaman

paulsimonps wrote: »

Bombashaman wrote: »

"...*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+..."

I alwas thought getting more CP points actually lowers your attributes and using them on constellations compensates for that.

Um no???? Where did you get that idea?

I really have no idea

Living is learning.

paulsimonps

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

This gotta be a pve build, fury/wrath is too good not to use in pvp

Of course its a PvE build with that skill layout :P I couldn't care less about PvP nowadays, waiting for the CP changes to kick in to get back to it.

paulsimonps wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So say I have naked base health of 10k, and I have undaunted passive increase 2% percent, imperial racial 10% and gear and enchants that increase 10k health in total

Do they work like:
1.nakedhealth*(1+2%+10%)+gearhealth
2.nakedhealth*1.02*1.10+gearhealth
3.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*(1+2%+10%)
4.(nakedhealth+gearhealth)*1.02*1.10

The results can have huge difference thus I need to ask this...

I know my notes are a bit messy but this is how I wrote it for my own use

RESOURCES=(((Base+Enchants+Jewelry Traits+(# of Attributes*Strenght of Attribute)+Set Bonuses)*(1+CP^0.56434/100)+(Mundus*(1+(# of Divines*(Strenght of Divines/100))))+Food+(optional Necropotence))*(1+(Passive/Buff #1/100)+((Passive/Buff #2)/100))

Base:

HP 8744
M 7958
S 7958

that....

that is....

indeed a bit messy 0_0

yeap but you wanted to know how it works so there you go! Really I can make it look slightly nicer but in general that is how the calculations are. I can give you an example if you want. How much magicka my mag sorc has:

(((7958+870*3+1041*3+351*4+111*64+967*5)*(1+200^0.56434/100))+4936+4000)*(1+6/100+10/100+8/100+7/100)=54163.4921723~=54,163

And here is a screenshot to show is actual Magicka:

No execute on your Sorc? How is that working out? I've seen quite a few of those setups lately and I'm wondering how good they fare compared to the standard setup with execute.

Pulling some good numbers. I like the rotation and I don't have to worry about anything really just keep up what I am doing and I am fine. I rarely DPS to begin with as I main tank Trials so can't really give you a parse for Trials but I did 38k on bloodspawn so that's not bad. I mean I am as I said not a DPS so I'm not that good at keeping my rotation perfect but I have seen people with the same build set up do really good.

Yeah it does seem pretty nice indeed, the extra magicka is pretty killer, I'm just really used to having Prey on the front bar for the extra chance to proc Frags, so really hesitant to learn a new bar layout ^^

I like the rotation. I even set up the skills on my keyboard to be the order of the rotation:

1 Liquid lightning, 2 elemental blockade, 3 volatile familiar, 4 Daedric prey. Then front bar and weave for a few sec, rinse and repeat.

For someone that is not used to rotations as a DPS its very easy to get into.