Remove race/faction restrictions: an impediment to "playing together"

QuebraRegra

ONE TAMRIEL went a long way to removing the barriers between players playing "together" in ESO. There is still the restriction of the current RACE/FACTION limitations (with Explorers pack etc.), which prevents players from playing "together" in PVP Cyrodil.

We are barred from playing together in CYRODIL unless our initial race choices are of the same faction (again, without adventurers pack, etc.). In light of the changes made to allow players to play together with ONE TAMRIEL, this race/faction limitations seems to be a considerable limiting factor to experiencing the whole game, together (without considerable cost outlay considering the total price of the game).

I suggest the following possible solutions:
1. Just remove the race/faction limitations entirely - those who pre-ordered got the pack for FREE to allow this anyway.
- enuff crowns are generated elsewhere that sales of the ADVENTURER pack should not be required to remove this limit.

2. Allow "any race/any faction" as part of the ESO+ sub
- make the sub worth it

3. Considerably lower the price of the "ADVENTURER pack", or split out the race/faction option as a lower cost stand alone option.
- make the game free to play and keep the current price
- $5 would be the limit for this option

5. Allow a character to select the faction that they want to fight for when selecting a campaign.
- limit changing faction to the duration of the campaign.
- this would likely cause issues, but might be the most flexible.
- might raise PVP participation?

SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE... or get ride of even out of faction NPC character in each of the faction areas.. "get outta GlenUnbra, you stinkin Khajits!"

Avran_Sylt

One Tamriel was about unifying the PvE experience, not the PvP.

Now, are you suggesting swapping alliances During the current campaign? Or slotting your alliance change to occur once the current campaign ends?

I'm blind.

Perhaps have a spy located in the Imperial City who, for 1,000,000 AP will work on getting you to defect to another alliance next campaign (so you'll need to participate a shite load in your current alliance first in order to go about swapping)

QuebraRegra

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

One Tamriel was about unifying the PvE experience, not the PvP.

Now, are you suggesting swapping alliances During the current campaign? Or slotting your alliance change to occur once the current campaign ends?

NOOOO!!! gawds, no, campaign imbalance is bad eunff already!!! Can you imagine switching during an active campaign!?!?!

Did they ever clear the map status from the previous campaign (I don't really pay close attention)?

They need to institute some proper bonuses for under-dog campaign populations.

Avran_Sylt

Perhaps have a spy located in the Imperial City who, for 1,000,000 AP will work on getting you to defect to another alliance next campaign (so you'll need to participate a shite load in your current alliance first in order to go about swapping) (reposting since previous addition was via edit)

cpuScientist

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

One Tamriel was about unifying the PvE experience, not the PvP.

Now, are you suggesting swapping alliances During the current campaign? Or slotting your alliance change to occur once the current campaign ends?

NOOOO!!! gawds, no, campaign imbalance is bad eunff already!!! Can you imagine switching during an active campaign!?!?!

Did they ever clear the map status from the previous campaign (I don't really pay close attention)?

They need to institute some proper bonuses for under-dog campaign populations.

Precisely, you are a sharp one. More powered to you, and your decisive answer. This is a charged topic but you managed to infuse your answer with logic and defend against any discredit. Also nirnhoned!

Alpheu5

I purchased the ARAA perk so that I may choose whatever alliance I'd like to be a part of, using the race of my choosing, to be used for the duration of this game's existence. One Tamriel devalued it slightly, because it was no longer necessary to be in a different faction to duel friends that typically shared your alliance. Now you're proposing completely negating my purchase by allowing players to just choose their faction on campaign selection.

Wire me my money back and I'll be on board.

Kihamai

1. No. Unfair to players who bought the pack beforehand. Wouldn't you be angry if you paid for something and then it later be given for free to everyone else?
2. No. What happens to your character if you cancel your sub? This is a similar enough reason as to why ESO+ players will not be given access to the Warden class come Morrowind.
3. No again... If anything a sale on it for a period of time would be okay.
4. You skipped this number.
5. I feel this may cause quite a few issues, but done right it would be a nice addition. I feel if anything they would release a faction change option in the crown store with a cooldown.

bulbousb16_ESO

I do agree that the implementation of One Tamriel made a bit of a mess out of the original concept. And that concept is that there are three warring factions, one of which you must join.

Given this background, it makes no sense that players from different declared factions should be allowed to group together. It also makes little sense that players from one faction be allowed to complete the quests of the other faction. Some dubious "Cadwell magic" was necessary to implement this initially, and it makes very little sense now.

Given this background, players from opposing declared factions should be able to attack each other and not just in Cyrodiil.

I don't know what the solution is - you could do the above and just gut "faction" right out of the game. A better solution would be to go the route that SWG did and have declared and undeclared factions... a declared or "overt" faction enables you for PvP. An undeclared "covert" faction means you are undercover - a "secret" member of that faction, and that might explain why undeclareds could group together.

Of course, in SWG, certain actions (i.e. attacking NPCs of the opposing faction) could temporarily out you and make you attackable via opposing declared players. That would never fly in ESO because of all the poofs, but that's the PROPER way the game should run.

QuebraRegra

Alpheu5 wrote: »

I purchased the ARAA perk so that I may choose whatever alliance I'd like to be a part of, using the race of my choosing, to be used for the duration of this game's existence. One Tamriel devalued it slightly, because it was no longer necessary to be in a different faction to duel friends that typically shared your alliance. Now you're proposing completely negating my purchase by allowing players to just choose their faction on campaign selection.

Wire me my money back and I'll be on board.

It'd be easy enuff to provide a token to players with the packs (like myself), some amount of crowns, some token from the shop.

I myself would forego the compensation to finally be able to play with my friends in campaign who cannot break thru the paywall.

I have been DC from the start, and I will stop playing before I switch factions to play with friends.

exeeter702

Honestly i have suggested this before as well. When you join a campaign you could select which faction to fight for and you are locked to that faction for that campaigns duration no exceptions. There would have to be incentives or barriers in place to firewall any population imbalances and signing up for a campaign well past its reset time.

Then create a ranking system seperate of pvp rank, that keeps track of progress made under a certain faction. And have vanity vendors to sell exotic rewards unique to each faction that a player can purchase based on there given progress under said faction. Could be things like ability skins (which are most likely coming in the near future) mounts, costumes, dyes, titles etc.

You could represent your faction of choice and be rewarded for you commitment.

QuebraRegra

Calysis wrote: »

1. No. Unfair to players who bought the pack beforehand. Wouldn't you be angry if you paid for something and then it later be given for free to everyone else?
2. No. What happens to your character if you cancel your sub? This is a similar enough reason as to why ESO+ players will not be given access to the Warden class come Morrowind.
3. No again... If anything a sale on it for a period of time would be okay.
4. You skipped this number.
5. I feel this may cause quite a few issues, but done right it would be a nice addition. I feel if anything they would release a faction change option in the crown store with a cooldown.

#2: Like so many other MMOs, you can always use any anyrace/any faction character already created after the sub runs out, you just can't create a new one.

#5 I'm not against a faction change token, but it would be another paywall for friends to play together in PVP.

QuebraRegra

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

I do agree that the implementation of One Tamriel made a bit of a mess out of the original concept. And that concept is that there are three warring factions, one of which you must join.

Given this background, it makes no sense that players from different declared factions should be allowed to group together. It also makes little sense that players from one faction be allowed to complete the quests of the other faction. Some dubious "Cadwell magic" was necessary to implement this initially, and it makes very little sense now.

Given this background, players from opposing declared factions should be able to attack each other and not just in Cyrodiil.

I don't know what the solution is - you could do the above and just gut "faction" right out of the game. A better solution would be to go the route that SWG did and have declared and undeclared factions... a declared or "overt" faction enables you for PvP. An undeclared "covert" faction means you are undercover - a "secret" member of that faction, and that might explain why undeclareds could group together.

Of course, in SWG, certain actions (i.e. attacking NPCs of the opposing faction) could temporarily out you and make you attackable via opposing declared players. That would never fly in ESO because of all the poofs, but that's the PROPER way the game should run.

Interesting concept of "undeclared faction". I'm not certain how it might work.. maybe not even selecting a faction until selecting campaign, and just choosing a "starter area"?

idk

@QuebraRegra

I question the accuracy of your information. No one got the play any race in any faction for free. It was with purchasing a premium package iirc.

It's a fairly low cost purchase now so easy for anyone who wants it to pick and t up.

QuebraRegra

exeeter702 wrote: »

Honestly i have suggested this before as well. When you join a campaign you could select which faction to fight for and you are locked to that faction for that campaigns duration no exceptions. There would have to be incentives or barriers in place to firewall any population imbalances and signing up for a campaign well past its reset time.

Then create a ranking system seperate of pvp rank, that keeps track of progress made under a certain faction. And have vanity vendors to sell exotic rewards unique to each faction that a player can purchase based on there given progress under said faction. Could be things like ability skins (which are most likely coming in the near future) mounts, costumes, dyes, titles etc.

You could represent your faction of choice and be rewarded for you commitment.

ok, how do we put you in charge at ZOS? Seriously luv this, particularly with the vanity items for faction loyalty.

QuebraRegra

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@QuebraRegra

I question the accuracy of your information. No one got the play any race in any faction for free. It was with purchasing a premium package iirc.

It's a fairly low cost purchase now so easy for anyone who wants it to pick and t up.

pls check again... the EXPLORER'S PACK was FREE with pre-purchase of the game at NO additional cost.

$20 for any any race any faction item crown store purchase for a game that sells for a total of $20 makes no sense. Further consider a new player who does not know if they want to invest heavily in a game with a "questionable history" right at the start.

Floki_Vilgerdarson

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@QuebraRegra

I question the accuracy of your information. No one got the play any race in any faction for free. It was with purchasing a premium package iirc.

It's a fairly low cost purchase now so easy for anyone who wants it to pick and t up.

Are you trolling again against Alliance changes? Lol. (The frog and the scorpion story) Lol.

Why are you so anti-Alliance change? You are doing the same thing you did on my thread yesterday. Is this how you farm points on this forum?

It seems you jump from thread to thread playing the antagonist, hoping for "agree" or "awesome".

Does your employer know what you are doing on their time and dime?

Love,

Floki

QuebraRegra

nevermind

Floki_Vilgerdarson

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I wasn't on yesterday....

you can't seem to stick to a topic can you? If you bothered to read, you'd see I said I'm all for an alliance change... just not as an expensive crown store mechanism to address players playing together in PVP.

You were WRONG in yer earlier statement... WRONG!!!!! You said "I question the accuracy of your information. No one got the play any race in any faction for free. It was with purchasing a premium package iirc."

YOU ARE WROOOOONNNGGGG!!! You got it when you pre-purchased for free. Do you always attempt to present incorrect alternatives facts? That might be yer problem right here.

Jelly much?

If you you read my thread correctly, you will find I was backing you up.

You were being trolled by the person saying he questions the accuracy of your info.

Floki

QuebraRegra

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I wasn't on yesterday....

you can't seem to stick to a topic can you? If you bothered to read, you'd see I said I'm all for an alliance change... just not as an expensive crown store mechanism to address players playing together in PVP.

You were WRONG in yer earlier statement... WRONG!!!!! You said "I question the accuracy of your information. No one got the play any race in any faction for free. It was with purchasing a premium package iirc."

YOU ARE WROOOOONNNGGGG!!! You got it when you pre-purchased for free. Do you always attempt to present incorrect alternatives facts? That might be yer problem right here.

Jelly much?

If you you read my thread correctly, you will find I was backing you up.

You were being trolled by the person saying he questions the accuracy of your info.

Floki

well @#&! me then

Drdeath20

Lifetime lock to your characters alliance is a bad idea.

Instead every week we randomly get account wide locked into a different alliance.

Now we get to play with everyone and the campaingns switch up so we can break up the staleness and monotony of pvp.

hmsdragonfly

QuebraRegra wrote: »

ONE TAMRIEL went a long way to removing the barriers between players playing "together" in ESO. There is still the restriction of the current RACE/FACTION limitations (with Explorers pack etc.), which prevents players from playing "together" in PVP Cyrodil.

We are barred from playing together in CYRODIL unless our initial race choices are of the same faction (again, without adventurers pack, etc.). In light of the changes made to allow players to play together with ONE TAMRIEL, this race/faction limitations seems to be a considerable limiting factor to experiencing the whole game, together (without considerable cost outlay considering the total price of the game).

I suggest the following possible solutions:
1. Just remove the race/faction limitations entirely - those who pre-ordered got the pack for FREE to allow this anyway.
- enuff crowns are generated elsewhere that sales of the ADVENTURER pack should not be required to remove this limit.

2. Allow "any race/any faction" as part of the ESO+ sub
- make the sub worth it

3. Considerably lower the price of the "ADVENTURER pack", or split out the race/faction option as a lower cost stand alone option.
- make the game free to play and keep the current price
- $5 would be the limit for this option

5. Allow a character to select the faction that they want to fight for when selecting a campaign.
- limit changing faction to the duration of the campaign.
- this would likely cause issues, but might be the most flexible.
- might raise PVP participation?

SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE... or get ride of even out of faction NPC character in each of the faction areas.. "get outta GlenUnbra, you stinkin Khajits!"

I don't like this idea tbh. DC and EP shouldn't be full of Khajiits. There are already too many Altmer magsorcs fighting for EP and DC.

Kram8ion

That would completely destroy any sense of faction or alliance loyalty in an already weak sense of pride or comraderie that exists now

QuebraRegra

Kram8ion wrote: »

That would completely destroy any sense of faction or alliance loyalty in an already weak sense of pride or comraderie that exists now

isn't it false camaraderie?
nd
So we should just line up along racial lines and fight for our faction races!?!?! So really ESO is a just a big racial war?

I think in reality it would be much more along the lines of what occurs in most wars with multiple factions.... People tend to align themselves with a group/faction that represents their own ideology or interests.

How many people really want to get behind the AD ideology?

This is the reason throughout each PVE area there are members of EVERY race represented, including races outside the "defined" faction "aligned" races. All Khajits should be placed in internment camps in Gelnumbra then?

Sigtric

With the amount of non-faction races seen in the factions I play, I am guessing this is almost a non issue, as most people out there seem to have the unlock.

Seeing as the old explorers pack can still be gotten for like $3 if you look around on the internet... Pony up like everyone else?
Just more people wanting the benefits that others have with out doing what they did to get it.

QuebraRegra

Sigtric wrote: »

With the amount of non-faction races seen in the factions I play, I am guessing this is almost a non issue, as most people out there seem to have the unlock.

Seeing as the old explorers pack can still be gotten for like $3 if you look around on the internet... Pony up like everyone else?
Just more people wanting the benefits that others have with out doing what they did to get it.

It's just yet another impediment to people playing together that we don't need. Obviously they realized the problems they had when they went ONE TAMRIEL.

I didn't know there were still explorer pack codes (XBOX) out there for cheap... I might pick up a few for friends, thanx.

Fodore

Spell cyrodiil right plox

idk

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@QuebraRegra

I question the accuracy of your information. No one got the play any race in any faction for free. It was with purchasing a premium package iirc.

It's a fairly low cost purchase now so easy for anyone who wants it to pick and t up.

pls check again... the EXPLORER'S PACK was FREE with pre-purchase of the game at NO additional cost.

$20 for any any race any faction item crown store purchase for a game that sells for a total of $20 makes no sense. Further consider a new player who does not know if they want to invest heavily in a game with a "questionable history" right at the start.

Now that you mention it your correct and Zos. I knew I paid more for Imperial and just thought I'd gotten that package as well.

If being able to play any race in any alliance (except imperial since that's always been extra) is such a big deal then it's probably great added value has make sense it could be sold separately in the crown store. Heck, players can always buy it after they have had time to check out the game.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Calysis wrote: »

1. No. Unfair to players who bought the pack beforehand. Wouldn't you be angry if you paid for something and then it later be given for free to everyone else?

No.

The fact I had to purchase a feature at point X in time is not, and can not, be held to be a guarantee that access to said feature will always be so gated.

If it were the game would still only be subscription based, because I had to pay a subscription at launch and it would therefore be sooooooo unfair if other people were able to play without having to pay that subscription fee.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Fodore wrote: »

Spell cyrodiil right plox

I'm reasonably certain that we can spell made up words and names anyway we please.

All The Best

clocksstoppe

They won't remove it because it's paywalled.

QuebraRegra

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Spell cyrodiil right plox

I'm reasonably certain that we can spell made up words and names anyway we please.

All The Best

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