Shield vs defending

t3hdubzy

For mag charachters, is there a reason to use shield on a tank over defending? Even with cp passive 75 percent more armor, my defending staff has more resist by 2k over sword and board unless i use a defending weapon.

So why should i go snb over dual wield defending weapons if i only have 11k stam.

WalksonGraves

set bonus?

SirMewser

A defending trait on 2H can provide up-to 5k resistance (~7.5%).

A shield alone can provide 3'010 resistance with the 75% shield defence bonus.
A 1H in other hand provides 2'500 resistance.
Now we have 5'510, this isn't very much of a difference, however...

Add the nirn trait to a shield, that also gets multiplied by the 75% shield defence bonus, now you are looking at about an overhaul 1k difference from a 2-hander, still not much different, but it's something for number crunching.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

The passives, you get 6% more cost reduction from those and you can slot aborb magic and then block 8% more damage and also get 8% more cost reduction, together it is about 13% more block cost reduction with a s/b. Blocking is more important then armor, with the aforementioned skills and passives, you can mitigate around 60-70% of the incoming damage. Then armor matters.

paulsimonps

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-and-list-of-options/p1

Not really sure why in the world you wouldn't want to go with Sword and board, so many good passives from it, and even if you were to go magicka and you didn't want to use a sword and board, would you not want to go Frost staff then? I mean obviously this is something for dungeons but seeing as you class yourself as a magicka tank with only 11k stamina then I am guessing you don't do trials in the first place and truth be told, in dungeons, anything will work for tanks. You could even go on a full DPS set up with just 1 taunt and you could tank things. So unless you want to tank Trials, don't worry about it. And if you are wanting to tank trials then I would seriously think over your build first.

Stannum

t3hdubzy wrote: »

For mag charachters, is there a reason to use shield on a tank over defending? Even with cp passive 75 percent more armor, my defending staff has more resist by 2k over sword and board unless i use a defending weapon.

So why should i go snb over dual wield defending weapons if i only have 11k stam.

Block cost and block mitiagation is the key of good tanking. If you will go DW you will not have bonuses. So you will drain healer magika for healing you and giving you stamina. Cause tank whoes stamina is depleted is pretty useless. So first of all tank should have efficient blocking and good resists are only second point. Efficient blocking = S&B (or frost staff may be ) + sturdy traits on armour + jewellery enchant (if needed)

Brrrofski

Block cost and mitigation from passives.

DRXHarbinger

Taunt. You can't sustain on spamming inner fire. It's costs too much.

Stannum

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Taunt. You can't sustain on spamming inner fire. It's costs too much.

It's not really hard rule. On my NB tank i have over 2.1k magicka regen and spam inner fire on all rangers (to use swarm mother) without any problems with sustain.

DRXHarbinger

Stannum wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Taunt. You can't sustain on spamming inner fire. It's costs too much.

It's not really hard rule. On my NB tank i have over 2.1k magicka regen and spam inner fire on all rangers (to use swarm mother) without any problems with sustain.

That's fine for a nightblade. On a DK you need magika for stam return. Using a magika taunt isn't viable at all. Will taunt 3 enemies and it's all gone.

Also your block cost will be horrendous. Like 15% more without passives and absorb magic also the amount of damage blocked will be a lot less with 2h too. Really don't buy this idea being remotely viable.

Also nightblade tanks have super high magika return with siphoning / leeching. Makes it almost free.

Stannum

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Stannum wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Taunt. You can't sustain on spamming inner fire. It's costs too much.

It's not really hard rule. On my NB tank i have over 2.1k magicka regen and spam inner fire on all rangers (to use swarm mother) without any problems with sustain.

Also your block cost will be horrendous. Like 15% more without passives and absorb magic also the amount of damage blocked will be a lot less with 2h too. Really don't buy this idea being remotely viable.
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I'm not TS )). My NB tanks with 1h&b )). And with defensive posture sloted, sturdy traits on small parts and siphoning can easily permablock.

t3hdubzy

Fair points so far, in pve i only block occasionally and can get away with tri food instead of witch mother.


What about with pvp?

If im 1 v xing my stamina is used to break free of crowd control, and im very close to zero most of the time for stam.

t3hdubzy

Stannum wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

For mag charachters, is there a reason to use shield on a tank over defending? Even with cp passive 75 percent more armor, my defending staff has more resist by 2k over sword and board unless i use a defending weapon.

So why should i go snb over dual wield defending weapons if i only have 11k stam.

Block cost and block mitiagation is the key of good tanking. If you will go DW you will not have bonuses. So you will drain healer magika for healing you and giving you stamina. Cause tank whoes stamina is depleted is pretty useless. So first of all tank should have efficient blocking and good resists are only second point. Efficient blocking = S&B (or frost staff may be ) + sturdy traits on armour + jewellery enchant (if needed)

So would your magika tank have more stamina? I can see sturdy working for pve but not pvp unless I went for a permablock build.

DRXHarbinger

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Stannum wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

For mag charachters, is there a reason to use shield on a tank over defending? Even with cp passive 75 percent more armor, my defending staff has more resist by 2k over sword and board unless i use a defending weapon.

So why should i go snb over dual wield defending weapons if i only have 11k stam.

Block cost and block mitiagation is the key of good tanking. If you will go DW you will not have bonuses. So you will drain healer magika for healing you and giving you stamina. Cause tank whoes stamina is depleted is pretty useless. So first of all tank should have efficient blocking and good resists are only second point. Efficient blocking = S&B (or frost staff may be ) + sturdy traits on armour + jewellery enchant (if needed)

So would your magika tank have more stamina? I can see sturdy working for pve but not pvp unless I went for a permablock build.

You don't really for a magika tank or a stam tank in either. You need best of both. Generally almost double stam to magika but magika recovery should be at least 1500+. Tanking skills have no relevance to a huge magika pool. So long as you can cast them it's fine. Stam is another matter. What use is magika when you're stunned or rooted etc and cannot cast a shield. Most adept players and bosses strip shields in seconds. Blocking and dodging will keep you alive far longer than spamming shields. Exceptions are obviously blazeplars. If you can't spam blazing shield or bol you die. Again the key to killing them is stunning and trapping them.

Stannum

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Stannum wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

For mag charachters, is there a reason to use shield on a tank over defending? Even with cp passive 75 percent more armor, my defending staff has more resist by 2k over sword and board unless i use a defending weapon.

So why should i go snb over dual wield defending weapons if i only have 11k stam.

Block cost and block mitiagation is the key of good tanking. If you will go DW you will not have bonuses. So you will drain healer magika for healing you and giving you stamina. Cause tank whoes stamina is depleted is pretty useless. So first of all tank should have efficient blocking and good resists are only second point. Efficient blocking = S&B (or frost staff may be ) + sturdy traits on armour + jewellery enchant (if needed)

So would your magika tank have more stamina? I can see sturdy working for pve but not pvp unless I went for a permablock build.

Look If you are magika tank you do not need large stamina pool (my only NB sap tank investment in stamina pool is 3stat enchantments on armour) but you need good stam management - the ways you reduce block and CC-break costs, and the ways you get stam back. E.g. NB gets stamina from magicka attacks skills via siphoning attacks proc so they need good magicka regen for spamming it all the time (and renewing siphoning attacks buff), DK gets stamina for earthen pasives proc when casting skills or ulties.