PvP Bow Build Theorycrafting

Stamden

Discuss potential bow builds here. With the upcoming Warden, bow builds could be decent.

davey1107

On a Warden...hmm...use the Unicorn Fart set with a Power of OP monster helm and supplement with a Nordic Bathers Towel. That should work great.

Ha...JK. No one can answer that entirely because no one has tested the Warden and we don't know what sets might come with Morrowind. I'm sure some will cater to the Warden power set. But all else being equal, my best guess is that a Stamden (you heard it here first) will be closest to a Stamplar. They'll both have a lot of wards and shields and buffs. But given they're less of a healer/support class, I'm going to randomly guess their dps will be perform somewhere between Stamplars and stamblades. Or maybe they'll be freakishly OP to help Morrowind sales.

Regardless, I think current stamplar and stamblade bow builds will mostly apply. And bows will likely,still suck for offense but work well for defense, unless we see significant skill changes.

But @Alcast , who is a far better player than me, is hard at work prepping for the Warden release. He has some prototype builds at AlcastHQ.com...probably a good place to watch for insight.

Stamden

davey1107 wrote: »

On a Warden...hmm...use the Unicorn Fart set with a Power of OP monster helm and supplement with a Nordic Bathers Towel. That should work great.

Ha...JK. No one can answer that entirely because no one has tested the Warden and we don't know what sets might come with Morrowind. I'm sure some will cater to the Warden power set. But all else being equal, my best guess is that a Stamden (you heard it here first) will be closest to a Stamplar. They'll both have a lot of wards and shields and buffs. But given they're less of a healer/support class, I'm going to randomly guess their dps will be perform somewhere between Stamplars and stamblades. Or maybe they'll be freakishly OP to help Morrowind sales.

Regardless, I think current stamplar and stamblade bow builds will mostly apply. And bows will likely,still suck for offense but work well for defense, unless we see significant skill changes.

But @Alcast , who is a far better player than me, is hard at work prepping for the Warden release. He has some prototype builds at AlcastHQ.com...probably a good place to watch for insight.

I see that @Alcast is recommending Hulking + Bone Tatters as I suspected. However, he does not seem to run Kraugh helm and instead uses VMA/Master weapons. Surely you better off with the pen from Kraugh rather than the extra weapon damage from VMA/Masters weps though, I would think.

SodanTok

Shieldbreaker

For real, definitely not 5/4/2 setup they all are pretty bad for ranged stamina.

Currently, marksman is probably the best bow set but it may not be good with warden (no buff tho cliff racer). So you better hope Morrowind will bring up some interesting viable sets or these 3 sets you listed (plus the old classic Hunding) will be all choices left. For that matter, sorcs are the worst enemy of bow builds so anything crit or penetration related is painful choice.

Going all on damage (as in full divines) is suicide in nonganking bow builds, so that wouldnt be my choice. Given his great mobility, well fitted is good too.

AverageJo3Gam3r

5 hawk eye, 5 marksman, 1 kragh

AverageJo3Gam3r

5 hawk eye, 5 marksman, 1 kragh

SublimeSparo

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

5 hawk eye, 5 marksman, 1 kragh

Either that or for pure ganking ganking, archers mind might be better that hawk eye, been meaning to test but never get around to it

Narvuntien

Clever alchemist is always better for ganking.

Clever alchemist, Spriggans, Kra'ghs.
Clever alchemist, Marksman, Kra'ghs

I am a Nightblade Bosmer trying to double tap Snipe kill people.

Gankers use Divines, it either works our you die.

I haven't tested it since I am playing a wierd hybrid onslaught build with strenght of the automation, I actually have quite a bit of hp with that.

Volrion

Narvuntien wrote: »

Clever alchemist is always better for ganking.

Clever alchemist, Spriggans, Kra'ghs.
Clever alchemist, Marksman, Kra'ghs

I am a Nightblade Bosmer trying to double tap Snipe kill people.

Gankers use Divines, it either works our you die.

I haven't tested it since I am playing a wierd hybrid onslaught build with strenght of the automation, I actually have quite a bit of hp with that.

Yeah I managed to score a sharpened Spriggans bow.

I'm thinking back bar Alchemist 2h. Front bar Spriggans and then mismatch Veledreth and Kragh.

Bosmer NB. All divines.

What do you think is best enchant to make for my bow? I'm assuming poison or disease?

Cheers

DRXHarbinger

All of thr above combos are so bad for bow builds and bow ganking.

BiS spriggan or hulking drugar + poisonous serpent+master bow+ any 1pc X2 monster sets giving max stam.

My stam sorc weighs in at a hefty 49k stam now. And gets free stupidly powerful bow procs. Open with a heavy and stick someone for a 17k attack and weave spam injection and light attacks to melt them. Templars go full panic with this one. Best of all. It's very very low cost. Plenty for break free and dodge rolling etc. Way cheaper than bol spam and coagulating blood + wings.

Alcast

You could try the same gear as my my bowbuild here from NB: http://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-build-pvp/

Also offers good cost reduction. Or you could do 5x Marksman, 5x Bone Pirate, 1x Kragh > prolly gives you similar stats but better sustain

FloppyTouch

davey1107 wrote: »

On a Warden...hmm...use the Unicorn Fart set with a Power of OP monster helm and supplement with a Nordic Bathers Towel. That should work great.

Ha...JK. No one can answer that entirely because no one has tested the Warden and we don't know what sets might come with Morrowind. I'm sure some will cater to the Warden power set. But all else being equal, my best guess is that a Stamden (you heard it here first) will be closest to a Stamplar. They'll both have a lot of wards and shields and buffs. But given they're less of a healer/support class, I'm going to randomly guess their dps will be perform somewhere between Stamplars and stamblades. Or maybe they'll be freakishly OP to help Morrowind sales.

Regardless, I think current stamplar and stamblade bow builds will mostly apply. And bows will likely,still suck for offense but work well for defense, unless we see significant skill changes.

But @Alcast , who is a far better player than me, is hard at work prepping for the Warden release. He has some prototype builds at AlcastHQ.com...probably a good place to watch for insight.

Why not stamward or wardstam or stamwar?

Didaco

FloppyTouch wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

On a Warden...hmm...use the Unicorn Fart set with a Power of OP monster helm and supplement with a Nordic Bathers Towel. That should work great.

Ha...JK. No one can answer that entirely because no one has tested the Warden and we don't know what sets might come with Morrowind. I'm sure some will cater to the Warden power set. But all else being equal, my best guess is that a Stamden (you heard it here first) will be closest to a Stamplar. They'll both have a lot of wards and shields and buffs. But given they're less of a healer/support class, I'm going to randomly guess their dps will be perform somewhere between Stamplars and stamblades. Or maybe they'll be freakishly OP to help Morrowind sales.

Regardless, I think current stamplar and stamblade bow builds will mostly apply. And bows will likely,still suck for offense but work well for defense, unless we see significant skill changes.

But @Alcast , who is a far better player than me, is hard at work prepping for the Warden release. He has some prototype builds at AlcastHQ.com...probably a good place to watch for insight.

Why not stamward or wardstam or stamwar?

Or Wardina.

Stamden

Alcast wrote: »

You could try the same gear as my my bowbuild here from NB: http://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-build-pvp/

Also offers good cost reduction. Or you could do 5x Marksman, 5x Bone Pirate, 1x Kragh > prolly gives you similar stats but better sustain

@Alcast , thanks for the reply.

I am more interested in the Warden stam skills themselves rather than the actual bow skills, so I think going Bone Pirate with either Spriggan or Draugr would be best. I have 2 questions though:

Is the damage difference between Spriggan and Draugr negligible? On something like a Stam DK who benefits from max stat pools (Battle Roar, Helping Hands), I totally understand why you would want to just stack max Stam. But with other classes (specifically Stam Warden who doesn't seem to benefit much from max stam), surely going the highest physical damage output would be best, right?

Also, what do you think on the damage difference in a 1 pc Kragh setup vs. a VMA/Master Wep setup?

SodanTok

Neighbor wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

You could try the same gear as my my bowbuild here from NB: http://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-build-pvp/

Also offers good cost reduction. Or you could do 5x Marksman, 5x Bone Pirate, 1x Kragh > prolly gives you similar stats but better sustain

@Alcast , thanks for the reply.

I am more interested in the Warden stam skills themselves rather than the actual bow skills, so I think going Bone Pirate with either Spriggan or Draugr would be best. I have 2 questions though:

Is the damage difference between Spriggan and Draugr negligible? On something like a Stam DK who benefits from max stat pools (Battle Roar, Helping Hands), I totally understand why you would want to just stack max Stam. But with other classes (specifically Stam Warden who doesn't seem to benefit much from max stam), surely going the highest physical damage output would be best, right?

Also, what do you think on the damage difference in a 1 pc Kragh setup vs. a VMA/Master Wep setup?

Penetration is more damage than stacking max stam, but also zero damage versus shield. It is a choice that has answer on personal level, nobody can tell you what is better.

TheStealthDude

FloppyTouch wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

On a Warden...hmm...use the Unicorn Fart set with a Power of OP monster helm and supplement with a Nordic Bathers Towel. That should work great.

Ha...JK. No one can answer that entirely because no one has tested the Warden and we don't know what sets might come with Morrowind. I'm sure some will cater to the Warden power set. But all else being equal, my best guess is that a Stamden (you heard it here first) will be closest to a Stamplar. They'll both have a lot of wards and shields and buffs. But given they're less of a healer/support class, I'm going to randomly guess their dps will be perform somewhere between Stamplars and stamblades. Or maybe they'll be freakishly OP to help Morrowind sales.

Regardless, I think current stamplar and stamblade bow builds will mostly apply. And bows will likely,still suck for offense but work well for defense, unless we see significant skill changes.

But @Alcast , who is a far better player than me, is hard at work prepping for the Warden release. He has some prototype builds at AlcastHQ.com...probably a good place to watch for insight.

Why not stamward or wardstam or stamwar?

Because all of those sound bad and Stamden is consistent with other nick-naming conventions already used (e.g. Stamplar, Stamblade).

Stamden

With Kragh on sale at the weekly vendor, I am wondering if I should go with medium helm for a full medium setup, or get the heavy helm for a 6/1 setup. Thoughts?

SodanTok

Neighbor wrote: »

With Kragh on sale at the weekly vendor, I am wondering if I should go with medium helm for a full medium setup, or get the heavy helm for a 6/1 setup. Thoughts?

Buy both. Who knows what will happen in next patch.
If you cant
ganking -> medium
not ganking -> heavy.

WarpigFunk

Wouldn't Skoria > Kragh for a bow build? Ideally you want to keep range with a bow build and Kragh works in melee range only... Skoria would proc on poison injection and endless hail, no?

Also OP, you want a Master's bow front bar and a Maelstrom bow back bar.

Stamden

WarpigFunk wrote: »

Wouldn't Skoria > Kragh for a bow build? Ideally you want to keep range with a bow build and Kragh works in melee range only... Skoria would proc on poison injection and endless hail, no?

Also OP, you want a Master's bow front bar and a Maelstrom bow back bar.

Well you don't really get 2 slots for a monster helm when combining two 5 piece sets, and to my knowledge the 1 piece effect for Kragh is probably the best 1 piece avalible.

WarpigFunk

Neighbor wrote: »

WarpigFunk wrote: »

Wouldn't Skoria > Kragh for a bow build? Ideally you want to keep range with a bow build and Kragh works in melee range only... Skoria would proc on poison injection and endless hail, no?

Also OP, you want a Master's bow front bar and a Maelstrom bow back bar.

Well you don't really get 2 slots for a monster helm when combining two 5 piece sets, and to my knowledge the 1 piece effect for Kragh is probably the best 1 piece avalible.

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Verbz

TheStealthDude wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

On a Warden...hmm...use the Unicorn Fart set with a Power of OP monster helm and supplement with a Nordic Bathers Towel. That should work great.

Ha...JK. No one can answer that entirely because no one has tested the Warden and we don't know what sets might come with Morrowind. I'm sure some will cater to the Warden power set. But all else being equal, my best guess is that a Stamden (you heard it here first) will be closest to a Stamplar. They'll both have a lot of wards and shields and buffs. But given they're less of a healer/support class, I'm going to randomly guess their dps will be perform somewhere between Stamplars and stamblades. Or maybe they'll be freakishly OP to help Morrowind sales.

Regardless, I think current stamplar and stamblade bow builds will mostly apply. And bows will likely,still suck for offense but work well for defense, unless we see significant skill changes.


Because all of those sound bad and Stamden is consistent with other nick-naming conventions already used (e.g. Stamplar, Stamblade).

TheStealthDude wrote: »

Because all of those sound bad and Stamden is consistent with other nick-naming conventions already used (e.g. Stamplar, Stamblade).

Stamsorc?

Xvorg

Volrion wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Clever alchemist is always better for ganking.

Clever alchemist, Spriggans, Kra'ghs.
Clever alchemist, Marksman, Kra'ghs

I am a Nightblade Bosmer trying to double tap Snipe kill people.

Gankers use Divines, it either works our you die.

I haven't tested it since I am playing a wierd hybrid onslaught build with strenght of the automation, I actually have quite a bit of hp with that.

Yeah I managed to score a sharpened Spriggans bow.

I'm thinking back bar Alchemist 2h. Front bar Spriggans and then mismatch Veledreth and Kragh.

Bosmer NB. All divines.

What do you think is best enchant to make for my bow? I'm assuming poison or disease?

Cheers

I don't like spriggans sharpen bow. Any other set with sharpen is good.

Precise spriggan bow is better IMHO

Rohamad_Ali

Alcast wrote: »

You could try the same gear as my my bowbuild here from NB: http://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-build-pvp/

Also offers good cost reduction. Or you could do 5x Marksman, 5x Bone Pirate, 1x Kragh > prolly gives you similar stats but better sustain

@Alcast

The only problem with that build is finding a two handed marksman sword . I challenge anyone to find one of those on a guild trader and I haven't seen one drop in Cyrodiil in a year .

psychotic13

I'm in the process of turning my stamblade into an archer, I know it's a different class but the set poisonous serpent is very good on an archer.

When you have a poisonous ability on the enemy (injection) your light/heavy attacks have a chance to deal like 8k damage (halve that in pvp). I've found weaving light attacks works pretty well with the fighters guild skill silver bolts.

psychotic13

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

You could try the same gear as my my bowbuild here from NB: http://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-build-pvp/

Also offers good cost reduction. Or you could do 5x Marksman, 5x Bone Pirate, 1x Kragh > prolly gives you similar stats but better sustain

@Alcast

The only problem with that build is finding a two handed marksman sword . I challenge anyone to find one of those on a guild trader and I haven't seen one drop in Cyrodiil in a year .

I never realised how rare they were until I tryed to buy one lol, would it be easier to opt for hawkeye over marksmans for weapons if that's the case? Providing you got the gold/ap to get one

Alcast

psychotic13 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

You could try the same gear as my my bowbuild here from NB: http://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-build-pvp/

Also offers good cost reduction. Or you could do 5x Marksman, 5x Bone Pirate, 1x Kragh > prolly gives you similar stats but better sustain

@Alcast

The only problem with that build is finding a two handed marksman sword . I challenge anyone to find one of those on a guild trader and I haven't seen one drop in Cyrodiil in a year .

I never realised how rare they were until I tryed to buy one lol, would it be easier to opt for hawkeye over marksmans for weapons if that's the case? Providing you got the gold/ap to get one

@Rohamad_Ali

Just use a random one. It does not matter what 2h you use. Because you want the damage on your bowbar. I actually have to confirm again IF they even exist anymore the 2h marksman. It actually might be that hawkeye and Marksman only come with Bow as it is "Ranged bow gear" and ZOS with its "Smart Loot" removed all the other items.l (Smart loot ok lol >.>)

Lynx7386

The main reason bow isn't considered viable as a primary weapon right now is because it lacks an instant spammable attack to weave with.

The warden is getting a ranged instant spammable attack that should fill that gap for pure bow builds. Also the bear for added damage or as a tank when soloing.


@op: there's a Dev comment that they are "considering" making 2h/bow/staves count as two set items with morrowind, so that would allow a 5/5/2 setup with those weapon types.

Lynx7386

Also you can get major brutality (and stamina recovery) from the netch, so two hander won't be quite as critical.

Stamden

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The main reason bow isn't considered viable as a primary weapon right now is because it lacks an instant spammable attack to weave with.

The warden is getting a ranged instant spammable attack that should fill that gap for pure bow builds. Also the bear for added damage or as a tank when soloing.


@op: there's a Dev comment that they are "considering" making 2h/bow/staves count as two set items with morrowind, so that would allow a 5/5/2 setup with those weapon types.

Eh it's still not going to be great with the current Warden. Spamming cliff racers really isn't that effective by itself. For a full on bow build to be effective, they need to make Fetcher Infection a stamina morph and also give the stamina cliff racer another effect.

Link quote? That would be really interesting if that was the case.

Rohamad_Ali

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

You could try the same gear as my my bowbuild here from NB: http://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-build-pvp/

Also offers good cost reduction. Or you could do 5x Marksman, 5x Bone Pirate, 1x Kragh > prolly gives you similar stats but better sustain

@Alcast

The only problem with that build is finding a two handed marksman sword . I challenge anyone to find one of those on a guild trader and I haven't seen one drop in Cyrodiil in a year .

I never realised how rare they were until I tryed to buy one lol, would it be easier to opt for hawkeye over marksmans for weapons if that's the case? Providing you got the gold/ap to get one

@Rohamad_Ali

Just use a random one. It does not matter what 2h you use. Because you want the damage on your bowbar. I actually have to confirm again IF they even exist anymore the 2h marksman. It actually might be that hawkeye and Marksman only come with Bow as it is "Ranged bow gear" and ZOS with its "Smart Loot" removed all the other items.l (Smart loot ok lol >.>)

That would make sense for ZoS lol . The nice part of that build though is having the 5% stamina reduction on the back bar as well for rally reals and dodge rolling away .

I wonder if @ZOS_BrianWheeler knows if the two handed marksman sword exists any more or not .