Will BG's have No CP versions?

raasdal

Has ZOS made any statement as to the title here ?

Iyas

There are leaning to it

Whatever that means

Erock25

Deltia tells me all battlegrounds will be no cp.

Rickter

This would be cool, considering my guild just voted to move to Azura's Star. .

Derra

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Turelus

At this time they are leaning to all BG being no CP.

That's still in debate/testing/thought though.

OdinForge

No cp is just more fun compared to cp campaigns, less cheese to deal with. They should just give the option to do no cp battlegrounds or cp battlegrounds. If they intend to keep the cp system around, you shouldn't force no cp on people.

Options are good.

FENGRUSH

Derra wrote: »

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Its not 'just because'... Should wait to play them before you pass judgement.

Derra

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Its not 'just because'... Should wait to play them before you pass judgement.

The main issue i have with nonCP is absolutely onedimensional gearchoice for a light armor magica sorc.

So unless something major changes about gear (2h weapons = 2 setslots for example) - i will pass judgement. Simply because nonCP destroys one aspect of the game i enjoy tremendously. Itemisation and customizing a build to my personal needs.

It has nothing to do with the potential gameplay.

If it was directed at my critique on the queue/no mmr system. I´ve seen that happen in swtor, rift and in aoc aswell as the early days of warhammer.
Enemies seeing your names instantly leaving the bg. Not leaving spawn etc pp.

Zander98

I like non CP as a magical sorc because it opens up so many more build and set options, as the 90% of ignored sets in the game actually have a use there.
As a msorc on Azuras I currently have 16 different builds I run depending on the situation. And it's fun to theory craft when you actually have to make tough decisions and even change playstyle depending on your gear choices.

Edit: I should add that my love of non CP isn't an argument for forcing other players to play like me. I think the best decisions offer choice....and people should be able to play how they prefer.
As long as there is a non CP option I'll be happy. I would be shocked if there isn't some type of CP option for those who want it also when all is said and done.

IxSTALKERxI

Max CP players who are skilled/have a good build can't kill each other. Trueflame is becoming more and more of a joke and I don't even play solo. I'll be in a 6 man group (3-4 dps) focusing targets perfectly in order and it takes an eternity to kill the enemies only for them to get a rez or take a camp. There are even a couple of players that I can't kill with a 6 man unless we lay down coldfire siege while fighting... their builds are that unbalanced.

Xeniph

I rather like my CP. I'll be sad and will not participate in them if they are no cp. Yet another reason to look forward to CU.

sirston

all them people who roll dodge forever complain first

Xiphyla

NoN-CP is a good thing for battleground. They should restrict usage of poison in battleground too.

IxSTALKERxI

sirston wrote: »

all them people who roll dodge forever complain first

Lol wait and see the amount of complaints when warden gets released... can't dodge their ranged spamable dps ability. Gonna be 10 times worse than the old jesus beam.

Torbschka

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

all them people who roll dodge forever complain first

Lol wait and see the amount of complaints when warden gets released... can't dodge their ranged spamable dps ability. Gonna be 10 times worse than the old jesus beam.

Every1 will start playing warden when morrowind drops.

But people will still cry about warden as a warden, because forum

Rickter

Battlegrounds will be fun for a very short time.

between Warden OPness and cheese proc sets, you'll never have a good time.

It'll turn into very streamlined meta builds/sets and IF you want your team to not get "EXPOSED" in 10 seconds flat, you will have to conform to that meta so its unkillable dmg dealing tanks versus unkillable dmg dealing tanks.

Im calling it: Battlegrounds = Dead On Arrival

Nightenhowl

^Only one game type, plus if two team are preoccupied with each other the third team is racking points.

raasdal

Derra wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Its not 'just because'... Should wait to play them before you pass judgement.

The main issue i have with nonCP is absolutely onedimensional gearchoice for a light armor magica sorc.

So unless something major changes about gear (2h weapons = 2 setslots for example) - i will pass judgement. Simply because nonCP destroys one aspect of the game i enjoy tremendously. Itemisation and customizing a build to my personal needs.

It has nothing to do with the potential gameplay.

If it was directed at my critique on the queue/no mmr system. I´ve seen that happen in swtor, rift and in aoc aswell as the early days of warhammer.
Enemies seeing your names instantly leaving the bg. Not leaving spawn etc pp.

I don't get this? If anything, i feel like non CP opens up a huuuge array of itemization options. You dont have to stay within the framework of Physical/Magical damage, because you dont loose the buff from CP. For me, that single thing opens up for alot of theorycrafting.

Derra

raasdal wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Its not 'just because'... Should wait to play them before you pass judgement.

The main issue i have with nonCP is absolutely onedimensional gearchoice for a light armor magica sorc.

So unless something major changes about gear (2h weapons = 2 setslots for example) - i will pass judgement. Simply because nonCP destroys one aspect of the game i enjoy tremendously. Itemisation and customizing a build to my personal needs.

It has nothing to do with the potential gameplay.

If it was directed at my critique on the queue/no mmr system. I´ve seen that happen in swtor, rift and in aoc aswell as the early days of warhammer.
Enemies seeing your names instantly leaving the bg. Not leaving spawn etc pp.

I don't get this? If anything, i feel like non CP opens up a huuuge array of itemization options. You dont have to stay within the framework of Physical/Magical damage, because you dont loose the buff from CP. For me, that single thing opens up for alot of theorycrafting.

Do you know that resource pools also affect your abilities?
Do you know that magica sorc in light armor has it´s main defense exclusively scaling of a resource?

If you look into creating non competetive fun builds - yeah it´s true they´re a little less bad on nonCP.
But going hybrid for light armor is not even close to bying an option if you want to becompetetive.

ToRelax

Derra wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Its not 'just because'... Should wait to play them before you pass judgement.

The main issue i have with nonCP is absolutely onedimensional gearchoice for a light armor magica sorc.

So unless something major changes about gear (2h weapons = 2 setslots for example) - i will pass judgement. Simply because nonCP destroys one aspect of the game i enjoy tremendously. Itemisation and customizing a build to my personal needs.

It has nothing to do with the potential gameplay.

If it was directed at my critique on the queue/no mmr system. I´ve seen that happen in swtor, rift and in aoc aswell as the early days of warhammer.
Enemies seeing your names instantly leaving the bg. Not leaving spawn etc pp.

I don't get this? If anything, i feel like non CP opens up a huuuge array of itemization options. You dont have to stay within the framework of Physical/Magical damage, because you dont loose the buff from CP. For me, that single thing opens up for alot of theorycrafting.

Do you know that resource pools also affect your abilities?
Do you know that magica sorc in light armor has it´s main defense exclusively scaling of a resource?

If you look into creating non competetive fun builds - yeah it´s true they´re a little less bad on nonCP.
But going hybrid for light armor is not even close to bying an option if you want to becompetetive.

You get ultimates and some proc sets of a magic dmg type as stam build and vice versa. Though you still don't have the penetration, it's much more feasible to use them on no CP. And you can get a little penetration for it with the major fracture/major breach double debuffs (mark target and puncture).

At least I think that's what he meant.

kevlarto_ESO

The more I read threads like this and comments from players I know that have been around a long time, the more I realize just how incompetent the pvp dev team is, they seem to have no clue on how pvp works in an mmo, even though they claim they have played many mmo's, guess they never paid attention lol

Guess will see how cp or no cp goes in the small scale, either way once the shine wears off it will most likely be another wasted effort by this team.

FENGRUSH

Rickter wrote: »

between Warden OPness and cheese proc sets, you'll never have a good time.

Dang I didnt know Warden was already OP - we dont even have the PTS yet either on that.

Wheres your crystal ball at?>

pieratsos

Derra wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Its not 'just because'... Should wait to play them before you pass judgement.

The main issue i have with nonCP is absolutely onedimensional gearchoice for a light armor magica sorc.

So unless something major changes about gear (2h weapons = 2 setslots for example) - i will pass judgement. Simply because nonCP destroys one aspect of the game i enjoy tremendously. Itemisation and customizing a build to my personal needs.

It has nothing to do with the potential gameplay.

If it was directed at my critique on the queue/no mmr system. I´ve seen that happen in swtor, rift and in aoc aswell as the early days of warhammer.
Enemies seeing your names instantly leaving the bg. Not leaving spawn etc pp.

I don't get this? If anything, i feel like non CP opens up a huuuge array of itemization options. You dont have to stay within the framework of Physical/Magical damage, because you dont loose the buff from CP. For me, that single thing opens up for alot of theorycrafting.

Do you know that resource pools also affect your abilities?
Do you know that magica sorc in light armor has it´s main defense exclusively scaling of a resource?

If you look into creating non competetive fun builds - yeah it´s true they´re a little less bad on nonCP.
But going hybrid for light armor is not even close to bying an option if you want to becompetetive.

There are sorcs in no CP that do just fine. Your issue isnt that there is no way to make a competitive sorc in no CP. You just dont like no CP because you cant have everything so you just dont want to bother with it and you try to shoot every no CP thread down instead. If you cant make a sorc work in no CP its not because its impossible but because u got used to CP carrying ur ass and covering any weakness sorcs should have.
You can talk about theorycrafting and build diversity in CP campaigns all you want. The reality is that whatever u run (necro, seducer, lich, amberplasm, spinner, julianos etc) it doesnt matter. The result is prety much always the same. Infinite resources, ridiculous dmg, huge survivability. Its the same crap no matter what u run. Your definition of build diversity is weird.

Publius_Scipio

No official statement other than they are "leaning towards" no CP. At the end of the day best bet is probably to have a choice to queue for either CP or no CP battlegrounds. Just give the option like Cyrodiil.

UppGRAYxDD

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

No official statement other than they are "leaning towards" no CP. At the end of the day best bet is probably to have a choice to queue for either CP or no CP battlegrounds. Just give the option like Cyrodiil.

I agree completely, why not just put cp cap options in BGs and cyrodil. Like a no cp, a 300 cp, and an max cp campaign? Also why not a no cap cp campaign for those who have +600?

FENGRUSH

pieratsos wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

No idea why you´d force anyone to play nonCP just because as a dev.

But whatever. We´ll stomp the competition and when the randoms stop queueing because someone at zos thinks no mmr and rgn vs premade queue is a smart move - we´ll go back to cprodiil.

Its not 'just because'... Should wait to play them before you pass judgement.

The main issue i have with nonCP is absolutely onedimensional gearchoice for a light armor magica sorc.

So unless something major changes about gear (2h weapons = 2 setslots for example) - i will pass judgement. Simply because nonCP destroys one aspect of the game i enjoy tremendously. Itemisation and customizing a build to my personal needs.

It has nothing to do with the potential gameplay.

If it was directed at my critique on the queue/no mmr system. I´ve seen that happen in swtor, rift and in aoc aswell as the early days of warhammer.
Enemies seeing your names instantly leaving the bg. Not leaving spawn etc pp.

I don't get this? If anything, i feel like non CP opens up a huuuge array of itemization options. You dont have to stay within the framework of Physical/Magical damage, because you dont loose the buff from CP. For me, that single thing opens up for alot of theorycrafting.

Do you know that resource pools also affect your abilities?
Do you know that magica sorc in light armor has it´s main defense exclusively scaling of a resource?

If you look into creating non competetive fun builds - yeah it´s true they´re a little less bad on nonCP.
But going hybrid for light armor is not even close to bying an option if you want to becompetetive.

There are sorcs in no CP that do just fine. Your issue isnt that there is no way to make a competitive sorc in no CP. You just dont like no CP because you cant have everything so you just dont want to bother with it and you try to shoot every no CP thread down instead. If you cant make a sorc work in no CP its not because its impossible but because u got used to CP carrying ur ass and covering any weakness sorcs should have.
You can talk about theorycrafting and build diversity in CP campaigns all you want. The reality is that whatever u run (necro, seducer, lich, amberplasm, spinner, julianos etc) it doesnt matter. The result is prety much always the same. Infinite resources, ridiculous dmg, huge survivability. Its the same crap no matter what u run. Your definition of build diversity is weird.

Yea I know Mag sorc scales off its main resource for offense and defense but... mag sorc is literally one of the strongest setups in no CP. Amber plasm, skeleton set, dark conversion (these conversion skills are very very strong in noCP) ... so stam and mag sorc do very well there.

Speed_Kills

@fengrush in groups (especially xv1 groups), yes mag sorc is very strong in no cp. As a solo player, I think it is one of the more difficult classes to 1vx with (or even 1v1 good players on Stam builds) on no cp. On my Stam sorc, mag sorcs last until I get a dawnbreaker, then it's 100-0.

To all of you who don't play no cp, heavy armor Stam should be your go to for solo play. For small groups, mag classes begin to shine (due to more utility in group play than Stam), but stamina doesn't lose its value (high pressure, tankiness, ability to avoid damage). For these reasons, I am curious to see how the balance works out in no cp battlegrounds.

FENGRUSH

Game has tons of issues at 1v1 and 1vX. BGs is group play - and mag sorc is very strong in that environment. Very very strong. That is what should be considered. BGs is not 4 1v1s going on. Its not even 4v4. Its 4v4v4.

Speed_Kills

@fengrush that is what I'm curious to see. Being that you've already played them, you have better insight as to what to expect. I was just speaking on my experience in Azuras Star (our current taste of noCP). Battlegrounds being objective based (and 4v4v4) will allow a lot of different builds to be viable (=more theorycrafting, yay!) A lot of the balance will be determined through group synergy if the group of 4 sticks together. In that case, yes mag sorc will be strong.

FENGRUSH

Yep I agree - and you wont always be in one place with all of your group either. BGs has the opportunity for some good times with different modes creating different scenarios. It will be something different for sure.