Continous 'harassment'

FlyLionel

Hey, my friend is a long time eso player and one of the things that is consistent are these type of guys. She is always sending me these type of screenshots monthly and it is really annoying. She has her character on offline all the time so people cannot message her through Playstation messages. She is a really sweet polite type of girl and this is probably draining (when you take game chat off on console it still re-appears if someone messages). This is the most recent one but there has been dozens more and even worst things being said. What more is she going to do? I cannot keep telling her to send a 'ticket' as this is clearly a player problem and the tickets would be infinite. Can you implement a true block system somehow? At least from messaging in game, our console one does not give us a real option to completely disable. We need a true block to where if you whisper for example myself, a generated message comes on saying that the player has disabled chat. There is one for duelling, right? The title does not say sexual harassment because this case isnt as serious as the others but trust me, it is really bad. What can she do?

Turelus

First if you want to show the image you'll have to remove the names, as per ZOS forums rules on naming and shaming.

Second this kind of harassment isn't accepted but there are tools to block communications, if that's not doing enough then ZOS has a report player tool and a harassment category. Which as per your thread is not working and I understand.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Oh my.... this isn't harassment.
It's just a guy trying to get in contact with her - which she refuses. It only becomes harassment if she repeatedly refuses and the guy repeatedly insists.
Not every behaviour needs to be qualified as harassment simply because someone dislikes it.

Also if your friend is tired of such invitations, maybe she should consider dressing her character differently.

Nestor

There is an old saying you dress for the attention you want. Dress your character like this, it is going to attract a certain kind of attention. For some odd reason as Avatar appearance has never had anything to do with player appearance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU

FlyLionel

@anitajoneb17_ESO Like I already said, this isnt as serious but there has been other times where repeated insists have happened. Thank you for stating the obvious. And yes maybe if she did not have a certain costume on people would not ask for her IG...clearly he was interested in the costume and not the fact that she is a female like he said in the whisper. And Im not posting because I simply 'dislike' him, this is continous with previous cases that are worst. I would like chat to be disabled, because im going out on a limb here and saying that on PC you probablt can turn it off. Thanks though.

anitajoneb17_ESO

FlyLionel wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO Like I already said, this isnt as serious but there has been other times where repeated insists have happened. Thank you for stating the obvious. And yes maybe if she did not have a certain costume on people would not ask for her IG...clearly he was interested in the costume and not the fact that she is a female like he said in the whisper. And Im not posting because I simply 'dislike' him, this is continous with previous cases that are worst. I would like chat to be disabled, because im going out on a limb here and saying that on PC you probablt can turn it off. Thanks though.

She should simply say she's a guy playing a girl then - problem solved.
Really guys...
There are SERIOUS cases of harassment IRL and online. Cases that have no simple solution. This isn't one of them.

Turelus

Nestor wrote: »

There is an old saying you dress for the attention you want. Dress your character like this, it is going to attract a certain kind of attention. For some odd reason as Avatar appearance has never had anything to do with player appearance.

When playing my sorcerer she was in a full body dress showing nothing and still got messages about how sexy I was.
I think some kinds of players are just not aware it's not appropriate to act this way, even online. However now we're getting into social issues debates which will get us locked.

FlyLionel

@Turelus Okay thanks dude, completely forgot.

@Nestor and I agree that simple minds fall in that category in this specific screenshot, but my point is that this has happened before dozens of times with or without whatever costume(which if that is the root cause than clearly intuitive skills are lacking). I just would like console chat to be disabled, or does sending in a ritual of tickets seem perfectly solvable for you Commuity Ambassador? Also do you play on console and know that chat cannot be disabled? Thanks.

FlyLionel

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO Like I already said, this isnt as serious but there has been other times where repeated insists have happened. Thank you for stating the obvious. And yes maybe if she did not have a certain costume on people would not ask for her IG...clearly he was interested in the costume and not the fact that she is a female like he said in the whisper. And Im not posting because I simply 'dislike' him, this is continous with previous cases that are worst. I would like chat to be disabled, because im going out on a limb here and saying that on PC you probablt can turn it off. Thanks though.

She should simply say she's a guy playing a girl then - problem solved.
Really guys...
There are SERIOUS cases of harassment IRL and online. Cases that have no simple solution. This isn't one of them.

You should not tell others what to do, unless you have all the answers of course. The simple solution fyi is to disable chat, just like disabling duels. You appear offline and cannot be messaged through PS yes? You can still be messaged in game and while chat is disabled it really is not because it still pops up from /whisper /group etc. Simple fix without debate. Thank you again for stating the obvious with there are 'SERIOUS cases in real life', well this is a video game and again just give us the true option to disable chat and simple fix.

Nestor

When I use certain costumes on my female characters (and I am a old male in the real world) I get all kinds of weird attention. When I don't use those costumes I am pretty much ignored.

On the PC we can turn off chat by unchecking all the boxes for the various kinds of chat (Zone, Tell, Guild etc) in Options, if that is not on console I am surprised. Sure it should be an option it should be an option if it is not there already.

Barring that, can you not block the character? As soon as I do that on PC, I stop seeing any chat from them.

FlyLionel

@Nestor Word? Private messages and all that 'weird attention'. That is all I am saying, glad you agree.

DaveMoeDee

I have some female characters but they wear sensible armor. I have no idea if anyone has messaged me because I pretty much never notice direct messages. I am busy playing the game.

malicia

On PC you can right click on a player's name in the text box, and there is an "Ignore" option. Voila, no more messages from that player.

Yes, that won't prevent other people from sending similar, but as long as she keeps adding people to the ignore list they won't be able to bother her again.

Is this not possible on console? If it is, then surely ZOS has already equipped her with a solution to the problem.

ViciousBunnii

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Also if your friend is tired of such invitations, maybe she should consider dressing her character differently.

Nestor wrote: »

There is an old saying you dress for the attention you want. Dress your character like this, it is going to attract a certain kind of attention.

FlyLionel wrote: »

She should simply say she's a guy playing a girl then - problem solved.

*sigh* "Don't be a girl and you won't get harassed!!!"

Ok seriously... I get what you are saying OP. As others have said, this situation is not harassment, BUT as you have stated, there have been more instances that are worse. I am a female, that plays as female toons. My characters wear whatever the **** I want them to, as it should be. Jugs out and all. I personally, have not been harassed in Tamriel, but other games I have been. It makes it uncomfortable to play, I understand. The best advice I can give is to just ignore them, especially if the PS4 capability does not have a permanent blocking system.

SirAndy

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Also if your friend is tired of such invitations, maybe she should consider dressing her character differently.

Right, blame it on her outfit instead of blaming the creep who is messaging her ...

anitajoneb17_ESO

kissesandbunnies wrote: »

*sigh* "Don't be a girl and you won't get harassed!!!"

SirAndy wrote: »

Right, blame it on her outfit instead of blaming the creep who is messaging her ...

The messages aren't creepy at all. Simply messaging someone isn't harassment or attack, it's simple, human communication. I know OP said there's been much worse, but I can only comment on what's presented. It's not even bad. It's simply someone showing interest for someone else. It's kind and polite.
Now if someone is THAT sensitive that he cannot stand any kind of respectful message from any stranger, the least he can do is consider the dress code (yeah I hate dress codes too but they exist). And according to our current dress code, the character has *everything* shouting "com'on guys, try and pick me up".

I'm not saying that everyone has to adapt to a dress code, but if someone feels uncomfortable at something as benign as "hello, care to share instagram ?" in a video game, then maybe there are a couple of things that can be adapted to try and avoid that situation.

FlyLionel

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I have some female characters but they wear sensible armor. I have no idea if anyone has messaged me because I pretty much never notice direct messages. I am busy playing the game.

@DaveMoeDee But you are not female? And you have no idea if someone has ever sent direct messages? You are busy playing the game? Thanks for your contribution.

@malicia like I have stated multiple times already, not possible on console; voila.

@kissesandbunnies Right; like I have said previously as well, this is not the only isolated incident that this has happened. There are cases of real harassment on her end, in the past. This was just an example that happened today (falling in line with consistency). I can ignore things just fine on my end, but I am looking for a definitive way on her end (keyword definitive). I just would like what PC has, a way to disable chat entirely. Would that be reasonable? And I feel you on the 'do not be a girl and get harassed' stans, clearly it is the girls who have to police themselves over guys(when ideally it is both parties...but its a game right? Guys who play with girl toons know the exact same feeling every month when it happens). This is not a debate with others about if it is or it is not, just a simple fix that PC has. And yes if we cannot get it for ps4 for some unknown reason, it is simply become a seldom person and ignore this every single time it happens. But hey, consoles are getting buff trackers right? On to the next one.

FlyLionel

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

kissesandbunnies wrote: »

*sigh* "Don't be a girl and you won't get harassed!!!"

SirAndy wrote: »

Right, blame it on her outfit instead of blaming the creep who is messaging her ...

The messages aren't creepy at all. Simply messaging someone isn't harassment or attack, it's simple, human communication. I know OP said there's been much worse, but I can only comment on what's presented. It's not even bad. It's simply someone showing interest for someone else. It's kind and polite.
Now if someone is THAT sensitive that he cannot stand any kind of respectful message from any stranger, the least he can do is consider the dress code (yeah I hate dress codes too but they exist). And according to our current dress code, the character has *everything* shouting "com'on guys, try and pick me up".

I'm not saying that everyone has to adapt to a dress code, but if someone feels uncomfortable at something as benign as "hello, care to share instagram ?" in a video game, then maybe there are a couple of things that can be adapted to try and avoid that situation.

You are right about this picture, I know it is not the best example but again drifting off course here. It happened today, this is not terrible but how can I stress to you that you should understand that you do not have to be so linear in just putting your 2 cents into the picture and instead focus on the bigger picture. You are talking about dress codes ? And this is a case of being 'kind and polite' asking for a girls IG account over a video game due to a characters appearance is clearly kind and polite. LMAO @SirAndy . And once again, like I have previously stated; is it reasonable to ask for chat to be disabled? Because PC has the ability to. What is your solution for continous 'harassment'?(Note that in the title I put 'harassment' because this is just bait to a bigger thing). If you cannot comment any further like you previously stated than thanks for your contribution.

Takes-No-Prisoner

She shouldn't message back if she feels uncomfortable doing so. She can also turn off any PSN private messages not on her friends list and block the offender. Which is something I have done before.

I've gotten PMs from people, some comments half baked, others harassment. I just click their name in the chat window, view profile, and block via the PlayStation profile.

Have not had these people ever message me again.

FlyLionel

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

She shouldn't message back if she feels uncomfortable doing so. She can also turn off any PSN private messages not on her friends list and block the offender. Which is something I have done before.

I've gotten PMs from people, some comments half baked, others harassment. I just click their name in the chat window, view profile, and block via the PlayStation profile.

Have not had these people ever message me again.

Guess I have to repeat myself once again.

Previously stated that she appears offline and does so to warrant zero* private messages through Psn. Problem is not the same people messaging her, but new people everytime through....here it comes; game chat.. Once again I have said that this is something that just happened and is consistent, was it terrible? No. She did not feel uncomfortable but annoyed because this happens all the time and the uncomfortable ones do happen as well. In this instance she was simply replying that she does not have an account, she should not do that? Right, on many other comments I have said just for a chat disable. I suggest you read the discussions prior before stating past occurred facts. Thank you for your opinion though.

Takes-No-Prisoner

I would have to disagree, you're not understanding what half of the posters responding to this thread are saying. Hence, why you have to keep repeating yourself.

First off, the offline feature on PS4 does not stop people from messaging her or anyone else. You'll get messages even while your profile is set to offline mode.

Listen to what I am saying about disabling messaging through the Playstation Profile for her account. I used it, it works for me.

Listen to what I am saying about blocking someone through their profile. I used it, it works for me.

If she does not want to socialize through chat, you can disable it. It is optional for console.

FlyLionel

Like I said before, @Takes-No-Prisoner it is an option on ps4 but it does not work. Go on ps4 and take it off, if someone messages you it turns back on. How do I know this? I have tried it, multiple times. I am not speaking about manually blocking each and every individual(which you are implying) who has to make creepy comments because in her situation its on a monthly basis, and will not stop. Right? No one is messaging her through psn messages like I said before so that is not needed, get my point now? It is game chat that we are talking about (it is in the screenshot).

And please tell me what I do not understand about half of the posters, example wise.

Summary: The offline feature does in fact stop people from messaging her live (told me herself), no one will message someone offline in game chat. Unless people do message offline players in game chat? Which was not the case here. Second, I am listening to you disabling ps messages through the account but it is not PS messages once again; it is game chat. Unless taking off Ps messages entirely can take off in game chat from eso as well. If that is the case than you should have said that prior. Third now, yes. Great, we block this person; now what happens with the countless ones in the future? Rinse and repeat? Does not solve anything, back to my previously stated point with PC having a literal disabled game chat that @Nestor said before is true. Finally, you are right; there is an option for console to disable however it does not work as intended. All it does is make the chat go to sleep and if you are messaged in group or whisper(this case) it is revived. I have disabled chat for VMA runs countless times, I know what I am speaking of.

Rohamad_Ali

Cover your shame !

FlyLionel

@Rohamad_Ali +1 Insightful. Lol.

SirAndy

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

And according to our current dress code, the character has *everything* shouting "com'on guys, try and pick me up".

Say what?

I'm not sure what reasons you have to get dressed in the morning, but for me "Look at me, pick me up already!" is not on my list of reasons when i decide what to wear.

This may come as a surprise to you, but some people put on clothes because *they* like them, not because they want other people to like them ...

Rohamad_Ali

FlyLionel wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali +1 Insightful. Lol.

Heh . My mom use to yell that when me and my brothers and sisters would run around the house in underwears .

CrazyStarGirlNZ

Messages/Whispers can be annoying but I just ignore them. I can block whispers by setting myself to offline mode in game at the top of my friends list in game. This does mean that no one can whisper me but that doesn't make too much difference.
And change your psn settings to only receive messages from friends works.

Girl gamers do get harassed and it's part of online gaming. It shouldn't be but it is. If people get too out of order with messages I'll report them but for the most part I just ignore them and they get bored and go away. I almost always never respond as that just opens yourself up.
I won't change what my character looks like or what she wears because it's my game too and any guy who is that attracted to an avatar has problems anyway.
I live in pvp so not sure about how prevalent this kind of thing is in pve. I more often get hate mail lol

magictucktuck

SirAndy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

And according to our current dress code, the character has *everything* shouting "com'on guys, try and pick me up".

Say what?

I'm not sure what reasons you have to get dressed in the morning, but for me "Look at me, pick me up already!" is not on my list of reasons when i decided what to wear.

This may come as a surprise to you, but some people put on clothes because *they* like them, not because they want other people to like them ...

^^doesn't know many women.





edit: I feel the hate coming my way already.. this was just a joke. ( mostly)

Rohamad_Ali

In all seriousness , I don't know why people do this in video games really . I do not flirt with anyone because with my luck I'd be picking up on @Nestor . An as much as he maybe a sexy guy it would not be my type of Online relationship . Best to avoid uncomfortable situations .

anitajoneb17_ESO

SirAndy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

And according to our current dress code, the character has *everything* shouting "com'on guys, try and pick me up".

Say what?

I'm not sure what reasons you have to get dressed in the morning, but for me "Look at me, pick me up already!" is not on my list of reasons when i decided what to wear.

This may come as a surprise to you, but some people put on clothes because *they* like them, not because they want other people to like them ...

Sure, nothing against that.
But in countless circumstances you have to evaluate the pleasure to wear what *you* like with what people around you will like, dislike or might interprete differently from you.
The character's outfit in the picture (regardless of its "fantasy" aspect) is NOT the kind of outfit you wear if you have to walk home alone after dark. Believe me, I would LIKE a world where everyone could really dress up the way they want without anyone connecting or judging anything, BUT our societies obviously aren't that far ahead and we still have to deal with those codes, judgement and connections.

Back to OP's issue, all I am saying is that if ingame harassment is an issue, dressing the character differently might reduce said harassment (and don't distort what I'm saying : I'm not saying anyone is actually guilty of being harassed, I'm just saying there are a couple of risk-reducing factors, and clothing could be one of them).

That being hopefully clarified, let's go back to OP's issue, which, as it appears, is not directly harassment, but rather how to hide whispers in chat on Playstation 4. Since I don't have a PS4, unfortunately I cannot help further.

vamp_emily

OP tell your friend to create a high elf ( make it super tall and skinning ), complete the vampire quest, and wear the same outfit ( towel ). Do not feed the vampire stay at level 4.

She will no longer get those types of messages.