PvP.. something, something.. darkside

GreenhaloX

First off.. I'm not slamming PvP or those who favor PvP. I spend most of this weekend in PvP leveling up two of my new toons so I can get Vigor and Caltrop (thank you ZOS and ESO developers, whoever you are, for these double xp events!) I haven't PvP since leveling up my first toon a year ago for the Vigor and Caltrop. I found a distaste for PvP from the first experience. All you do in PvP is kill, get killed, attack/capture keeps, defend your keep and get it captured.. over and over so you can get those AP solely needed to level up the Assault skill line. Although, I have gotten a little bit better in PvP from this weekend of fighting. I learned, mostly, you can't fight in PvP with the normal rotations you would, otherwise, use in PvE. It is all about who can trap, fracture and get the most damaging skill or strikes in the fastest, before the other zerg or reinforcement shows up. You may be that one who can take out 2 or three others by yourself, but you will always get overrun and get your arse handed to you by a zerg or reinforcement. It is no where near 1-on-1 dueling. It is pretty much who has the bigger zerg. It doesn't matter whether attacking or defending, the bigger one always win. I keep getting my arse handed to me by a toon who seems to have much more resistance and damage.. then I realize that was the emperor dude. He took out like four or five of us, but then I returned to the fight and about six of us took him out. Then, we ran into another Emperor and took him out too. So, yes, you have to be in a big group or zerg to have a better survivability in PvP.

So, with Vigor and Caltrop for those two toons, they are done, but I have one more new toon, and I am so hesitant to do PvP with this one. It would be "nice" if Vigor and Caltrop could be obtained in PvE land for those who do not like to do PvP. I still find a distaste for PvP. Aside from the monotony of killing and getting killed and the other stuff, the atmosphere is more vile on text chat in Cyrodiil. The outcome of this weekend in PvP is I have become a worst person. I hate all of you, I hate ZOS and I hate myself. However, for the sake of empathy for those who favor to PvP, I would agree, PvP land does need more contents, variety or an expansion. Still, to me, PvP will always be the darkside of the force of ESO. I don't want care what you all PvPers say. Ha ha

jonyth94

4v4v4 should bring some structure... maybe

Luigi_Vampa

Oh, is it time for this weekly thread again?

Gothlander

Double xp event? What do you mean? The Jester festival cake?

Iyas

Want to get undaunted 9 in PvP. The random grp Finder community is so toxic..

Jitterbug

Something something something complete!

GreenhaloX

Typhoios wrote: »

Oh, is it time for this weekly thread again?

Yup.. same for the timely trolling..

Berenhir

PvP is not all about numbers. It's about large scale group coordination, synergetical group composition and knowledge of class capabilities and skill usage. Going to Cyro zerging back and forth in a random LFG PUG is not fun at all. Any organized group is going to kick your butt. That is why those zergs of 40+ players are a thing. The bigger your group gets, the less probable it is to meet an organized group that you do not vastly outnumber.

LFG PUGing can be compared to going hard mode trial with dungeon finder. There is a reason this is not a valid option, because it is plain stupid. I am sure if you could do trials with 45 people and cap the boss mechanics at 12 people max, trials would also be zerged

Humphie

sigh...all you do in PvE is kill the same bosses over and over and it's just about pulling the most dps and the same mechanics.
I have never seen a PvPer complain about that. I don't understand the purpose of threads like these...

You don't like to PvP? Don't and play without vigor.

You don't like to PvE? Don't and play without undaunted passives and BiS sets.

All threads like this do is causing a diversion and salty posts.

RoyalPink06

Agree. I'm a PVE-er but I need barrier on my healers and vigor and caltrops on my dps guys. Dread PVP, but I usually do ok as long as I'm in a zerg just leaching AP

Also, points for thread title and points to @Jitterbug for completing the quote lol

hmsdragonfly

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I learned, mostly, you can't fight in PvP with the normal rotations you would, otherwise, use in PvE.

No **** Sherlock.

Plus, organized "12-man small scale" group is also as cancerous as PUG zerg group. Stacking destro ults, sap essence, bombs, spin to win on solo players while having 3 freaking healbots in Troll King is so much fun it seems.

Non-meta player, Bone Pirate, Bone Pirate, Skillful player, small group of 12 people.

technohic

It's funny because if I didn't have a guild that put up with my heavy armor, sword and shield, "DPS;" I would be completely unwelcome in the PvE stuff let alone have to do something I generally did not want to do. Still; I have to do it for undaunted and gear either way. And while I have had more fun doing it than I thought; I don't have much empathy for the OP.

BigBragg

If you don't like pvp, don't do it. You can get Alliance points from pve quests throughout Cyrodiil. No idea how long that takes but it is there for people.

Glad to hear you felt like you improved a bit though and learned it doesn't play like dungeons with rotations a predictable mechanics. It isn't always the bigger group, it can often be the more skilled and organized ones that prevail. Even versus overwhelming odds. Just need to work together, line of sight the enemy, while breaking off parts of the opposition (usually from the back).

Bam_Bam

Here since beta. Over 70 characters and still never reached lvl 3 Undaunted. Diffferent strokes for different folks. have a great week EVERYBODY.

Luigi_Vampa

- Use all the AP you got getting Vigor and Caltrops for your other characters.
- Buy wall repair kits
- Work on your masonry
- Profit

Lexifer452

I hate grinding cyrodiil for vigor, caltrops, and proxy set. Not anymore for proxy but used to. Did it for my new stamblade a month ago and it only took about four hours over two days to get to rank 6. Just find a large group and follow them around taking keeps or whatever and spamming mutagen. Could even do that without a group. Shouldn't take that long. Get omen repair kits though before you do as the ap gain from repairing walls and doors is not insignificant. I think it roughly takes about 150k ap to get to rank to five on assault and support. UESP.net has the exact numbers I think. It is a pain for a pve only player but its not all bad. You'll get a few skill points out of it also from leveling alliance rank, so buck up plus the two from the pvp initiation quest. I'm actually about to go get vigor again on my newest toon, redguard stam sorc. Been putting it off as I haven't needed it while leveling thanks to surge and more recently rally, but am about to hit fifty so I figured i'd better, just in case I do after while. Probably won't stick with 2H so I may indeed need a good stam based heal on top of surge.

It sucks, but its something we have to deal with. Kind of like mage's guild leveling on a magicka character. Price you pay to complete your build. Though given the choice i'll take having to pvp for a few hours over gathering anymore of those stupid little purple books.

templesus

LOL your complaining about having to PvP for a few hours while we PvPers have to spend days in PvE for undaunted and gear sets. [snip]

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GreenhaloX

templesus wrote: »

LOL your complaining about having to PvP for a few hours while we PvPers have to spend days in PvE for undaunted and gear sets. [snip]

[Edit for Flaming]

Dude (or dudette), it is not just a few hours. Probably at least 18 hours and more combined for both of the new toons. That is a lot of hours doing something you don't like, because you have to, in order to get something at the only place that is only available. Yes, I get it. There are many folks that like to do PvP, and I'm not slamming that. I've spend over a year so far doing dailies, dungeons, trials and other PvE contents to level up to well over 800 CP so far, and I am fine with that. However, I am not fine with killing other players, getting my arse wooped and getting killed, over and over again! It will be better if us PvEers could stay in PvE land to get all the necessary skills and same with all you PvPers.

Fine, if ZOS/the developer's hidden intent is for all to experience everything within ESO. Cool.. I have. Go into PvP land with your first toon. If you happen to like it, awesome, keep doing it. However, if you happened not to like it, why should you have to go there with every new toon so you can level up to unlock Vigor or Caltrop?! This is the crap part! Same with you PvPers.. you can all spawn inside Cyrodiil with your consecutive new toons and never have to see the light of day outside of Cyrodiil. I also agree. It is also crap having to re-level up Undaunted and the other guilds' skill lines. It does get monotonous hunting skyshards and lorebooks with every new toon. However, it is a bit better now that Undaunted is leveling up faster with also doing public dungeons and delves, unlike just solely doing dungeons/pledges during pre-One Tamriel.

Zvorgin

OP is an example of players that ruin this game. Don't like something, whine and whine. The reason taking keeps doesn't matter is because PvE'ers whined enough they made then have no impact. This entire game is being oversimplified and gutted because of the whining by players about everything.

I would much rather farm AP than do the same dungeons over and over again looking for a weapon with a specific trait.

GreenhaloX

Zvorgin wrote: »

OP is an example of players that ruin this game. Don't like something, whine and whine. The reason taking keeps doesn't matter is because PvE'ers whined enough they made then have no impact. This entire game is being oversimplified and gutted because of the whining by players about everything.

I would much rather farm AP than do the same dungeons over and over again looking for a weapon with a specific trait.

Dude, thank you for being so constructive and such a good example! Your opinion is fine, but no need to hate on others or bashing them for voicing their views and opinions. I would've been fine with your feedback, if you've left the negative first couple sentences of your comments.These less-than-positive type of comments/actions, such as your, are what are really ruining the game, this forum and the experience for myself and others.

NeillMcAttack

Iyas wrote: »

Want to get undaunted 9 in PvP. The random grp Finder community is so toxic..

This is actually a fact!! In anyone's experience I'm certain, that you are far more likely to meet toxic players running vet dungeons than in Cyrodiil zone chat! Maybe different on NA, I guess....

wazzz56

Also understand that what may come off to many as toxic may actually be banter between people who are actually quite friendly...also, on ps4 NA anyway, many of the most toxic players I am in guilds with are hard core PVErs.....yes the PvP community talks trash to each other, but I am sure if any trial boss, or dungeon boss would run their mouth in guild chat if they had access to it...my point...(coming from someone who PvPs and PvEs) just because there are aspects of one culture (pvp) are different from your culture (pve, or vice versa) does not mean they are bad...yes, you may not enjoy PvP ( i am sorry for this, but it can be quite fun) or PvE, it does not make how that culture operates as bad...I spend a lot of my off time in Craglorn farming and selling stuff......That is as toxic of a zone chat as they come....But it does not mean the majority of Pvers are toxic....

wazzz56

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Want to get undaunted 9 in PvP. The random grp Finder community is so toxic..

This is actually a fact!! In anyone's experience I'm certain, that you are far more likely to meet toxic players running vet dungeons than in Cyrodiil zone chat! Maybe different on NA, I guess....

it is the same on NA.....

zuto40

Where's the horse picture usually it's here by now...

DurzoBlint13

GreenhaloX wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

LOL your complaining about having to PvP for a few hours while we PvPers have to spend days in PvE for undaunted and gear sets. [snip]

[Edit for Flaming]

Dude (or dudette), it is not just a few hours. Probably at least 18 hours and more combined for both of the new toons. That is a lot of hours doing something you don't like, because you have to, in order to get something at the only place that is only available. Yes, I get it. There are many folks that like to do PvP, and I'm not slamming that. I've spend over a year so far doing dailies, dungeons, trials and other PvE contents to level up to well over 800 CP so far, and I am fine with that. However, I am not fine with killing other players, getting my arse wooped and getting killed, over and over again! It will be better if us PvEers could stay in PvE land to get all the necessary skills and same with all you PvPers.

Fine, if ZOS/the developer's hidden intent is for all to experience everything within ESO. Cool.. I have. Go into PvP land with your first toon. If you happen to like it, awesome, keep doing it. However, if you happened not to like it, why should you have to go there with every new toon so you can level up to unlock Vigor or Caltrop?! This is the crap part! Same with you PvPers.. you can all spawn inside Cyrodiil with your consecutive new toons and never have to see the light of day outside of Cyrodiil. I also agree. It is also crap having to re-level up Undaunted and the other guilds' skill lines. It does get monotonous hunting skyshards and lorebooks with every new toon. However, it is a bit better now that Undaunted is leveling up faster with also doing public dungeons and delves, unlike just solely doing dungeons/pledges during pre-One Tamriel.

simple solution is to FIX WALLS. The last toon I got Vigor/Caltrops on was my tank and I did it in a dead campaign without ever even taking a swing at another player in less than 4 hours- just fix walls, and maybe pick up a D-tick every now and then

reiverx

You start off by saying you're not slamming PVP, and then you proceed to slam PVP.

Zvorgin

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

OP is an example of players that ruin this game. Don't like something, whine and whine. The reason taking keeps doesn't matter is because PvE'ers whined enough they made then have no impact. This entire game is being oversimplified and gutted because of the whining by players about everything.

I would much rather farm AP than do the same dungeons over and over again looking for a weapon with a specific trait.

Dude, thank you for being so constructive and such a good example! Your opinion is fine, but no need to hate on others or bashing them for voicing their views and opinions. I would've been fine with your feedback, if you've left the negative first couple sentences of your comments.These less-than-positive type of comments/actions, such as your, are what are really ruining the game, this forum and the experience for myself and others.

It is in fact all the whining about the game that is one of the biggest problems, the game itself is actually pretty good and fun, but there is so much whining by players about specific aspects they don't like that it is being ruined.

As an example, this whole "I don't want to pvp for PvP skills" topic gets posted here literally once a week if not more. Also, it is pretty easy not to zerg in Cyrodiil contrary to what the OP said. If a post is blatantly inaccurate, it's going to get called out.

The original post is whining and not accurate.

NordSwordnBoard

@GreenhaloX try doing some town quests instead of the normal PvP. The plentiful reward boxes will supplant your PvE side of things. Although you don't get a great deal of AP, its a good distraction sometimes. Similar with IC/sewers.

A place like Bruma has a nearby keep and outpost to respawn, pretty quick missions, some places to find recipes, and now both gear and jubilee boxes. You may not get your vigor very quickly, but this may be less annoying to you.

GreenhaloX

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

simple solution is to FIX WALLS. The last toon I got Vigor/Caltrops on was my tank and I did it in a dead campaign without ever even taking a swing at another player in less than 4 hours- just fix walls, and maybe pick up a D-tick every now and then

@DurzoBlint13, thank you for this constructive feedback. This is a good example of a how response/feedback "should" be. This is a good alternative to try. Thanks again.

Zvorgin wrote: »

It is in fact all the whining about the game that is one of the biggest problems, the game itself is actually pretty good and fun, but there is so much whining by players about specific aspects they don't like that it is being ruined.

As an example, this whole "I don't want to pvp for PvP skills" gets posted here literally once a week if not more. Also, it is pretty easy not to zerg in Cyrodiil contrary to what the OP said. If a post is blatantly inaccurate, it's going to get called out.

The original post is whining and not accurate.

@Zvorgin, it is great you enjoy PvP, but not everyone does. Sure, it is good and fun for you and some others, but also not so fun for many others. It is also good that you and others support PvP, but not everyone does. In regards to your comment on "It is in fact all the whining about the game that is one of the biggest problems." How is this a fact or "blatantly inaccurate," as you said? Is there an official published conclusion from a study by a reputable source for ESO that has been officially accepted by Zenimax, ZOS, Bethesda? For someone to complain about something is not a problem. It is someone voicing what he or she doesn't like or may not agree with. Sure, there are other posts/comments of others that do not like to PvP, as much as there are posts/comments from those who do not like PvE.

What I see is a "big" problem (no, there is no official study nor published journal, it is just my view and opinion) is the negativity in response/feedback and somebody taking a swing at others' post, opinion or view, instead of providing or responding constructively, or, at least, with a constructive criticism. Unfortunately, it is also someone's opinion; although negatively, and it will never cease. We have to deal with it as much as those that do not like to PvP have to deal with it, in order to get those AP needed to level up for Vigor or Caltrop (which, by the way, are not just PvP skills.) It would be nice for those that cannot provide a constructive feedback.. if you don't like it, then just move on, instead of taking a swing and contributing to the problem. I don't know.. maybe curse in silence.. fine.

Narvuntien

Zerging is actually impossible for me because the game just lags out when there is a large amount of players on screen.

So instead I am running around getting into smaller scale fights, stealing resources and towns. You force people away from the zergs but doing non-conventional plays.

PvP is a game of chess and you are a pawn. It is much better when you have a better player in control

KingYogi415

The little I read while skimming this ugly wall of text was rambling nonsense.

Did you mean to write this in your diary?

Cheers!