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Anyone run it? I was thinking it might make a half decent set on my stam sorc for dungeon runs, using caltrops as an aoe on my back bar (and endless hail), mostly to boost my own weapon damage but also for some group support.
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✭or you can run in powerful assault with alkosh ons tam DD if you are in group with 4 dd with you, you will be then dd supporting to superior magica dd
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✭At the very least, I wouldn't use Caltrops to proc PA (even in 4mans), because Caltrops is super expensive and lasts twice as long as the buff. Vigor is much cheaper and easier to use every 15s.
You can also use PA on your magblade tank we've been chatting about. Pair it with Grothdar and Proxy Det in 4mans and watch the fireworks!2 -
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✭✭Tanks are using powerfull assault not DPS...
If you want to support the group go for Alkosh (if the tank doesn't have it xD)
Actually, alkosh doesn't crit anymore and everytime a DD uses a synergy, it's a dps loss in his rotation. Imh, powerful assult is better then alkosh on a dd, based on pure facts.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭✭✭✭✭At the very least, I wouldn't use Caltrops to proc PA (even in 4mans), because Caltrops is super expensive and lasts twice as long as the buff. Vigor is much cheaper and easier to use every 15s.
You can also use PA on your magblade tank we've been chatting about. Pair it with Grothdar and Proxy Det in 4mans and watch the fireworks!
Well here's what I was thinking:
Front bar would have vigor (along with crit surge, hurricane, and a couple dual wield abilities). Back bar bow would have endless hail, caltrops, etc. Caltrops is a decent aoe damage over time effect for any stamina character, and combined with hurricane, endless hail, and whirlwind should put out a ton of aoe damage.
So once caltrops is down, I can use vigor to reapply the powerful assault buff,and then the next time it wears off go back to caltrops.
This way I constantly have the powerful assault weapon damage boost for myself, and I'm also boosting the damage and heals for the rest of the group.
The real question is what other set to pair with it to keep my own damage respectableEdited by Lynx7386 on April 3, 2017 3:05PMPS4 / NA
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✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Blows my mind that anyone ever considered alkosh a tank set. All individual damage boosting and then a 3k defense debuff.
You're wasting so much for so little, crushing + puncturing is already 7k def reduction.
Not to mention any melee dps can run it with far less loss.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 3, 2017 3:09PM0 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Alkosh is not a proc set. Makes sense that you might think it is if you don't use it. Still you shouldn't comment on stuff if you don't know how it works.
So I've been using Alkosh to tank all weekend long, and it still crits. This claim is bunk.Edited by Autolycus on April 3, 2017 4:12PM0 -
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✭At the very least, I wouldn't use Caltrops to proc PA (even in 4mans), because Caltrops is super expensive and lasts twice as long as the buff. Vigor is much cheaper and easier to use every 15s.
You can also use PA on your magblade tank we've been chatting about. Pair it with Grothdar and Proxy Det in 4mans and watch the fireworks!
Well here's what I was thinking:
Front bar would have vigor (along with crit surge, hurricane, and a couple dual wield abilities). Back bar bow would have endless hail, caltrops, etc. Caltrops is a decent aoe damage over time effect for any stamina character, and combined with hurricane, endless hail, and whirlwind should put out a ton of aoe damage.
So once caltrops is down, I can use vigor to reapply the powerful assault buff,and then the next time it wears off go back to caltrops.
This way I constantly have the powerful assault weapon damage boost for myself, and I'm also boosting the damage and heals for the rest of the group.
The real question is what other set to pair with it to keep my own damage respectable
I would assume to pair it with Two-Fanged Snake, but my main concern would be not having Minor Slayer. So maybe run it with VO, either the full 5set or with a monster set? I'd have to do some parses on a dummy to be able to say one way or the other probably, as I haven't tried this combination.0 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Alkosh is not a proc set. Makes sense that you might think it is if you don't use it. Still you shouldn't comment on stuff if you don't know how it works.
So I've been using Alkosh to tank all weekend long, and it still crits. This claim is bunk.
Good to know, figured it fell under the same mechanics.0 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Using it on a newly grinded stamplar for PvP (and upcoming battlegrounds). Ravager/Powerful Assault/ Slimecraw or Troll King. It's really easy to keep up and helps your group out too! In regards to PvE, there are better set choices though I think for group synergy.Edited by Moglijuana on April 3, 2017 8:44PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Out of curiosity, is it possible to set up a stamsorc as a damage oriented tank? You're already a walking blender with pretty heavy self healing and resistances. Throw a 1h/shield on one bar for taunting and some extra armor, and it seems like even in medium armor they'd tank fairly well.
Was thinking of trying to pair the night mothers gaze set with caltrops and powerful assault. Caltrops and hurricane critting would apply the armor debuff frequently to enemies.
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✭✭✭✭It could work but NMG is just physical penetration debuff. If you are running a dungeon with 2 others stamina DDs it would make sense. But in vet trials you are mostly running with magicka DDs so you will be the only one or at most another DD benefiting from NMG while sets like PA also benefit the mages. Of course you can run as DD in those parts of the trial where the off tank is not required.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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✭✭✭✭✭Another interesting setup I came across was combining storm knight and thunderbug, both deal aoe shock damage when you take damage.PS4 / NA
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✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Alkosh is not a proc set. Makes sense that you might think it is if you don't use it. Still you shouldn't comment on stuff if you don't know how it works.
So I've been using Alkosh to tank all weekend long, and it still crits. This claim is bunk.
I got curious and tested this on a dummy with a friend just poping synergies. I was there for a good 2 min and not a single crit from Alkosh. I mean I only had a 25% crit chance but over 2min there should have been at least one crit. It could have been a result of just low crit chance but I don't know.1 -
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✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Blows my mind that anyone ever considered alkosh a tank set. All individual damage boosting and then a 3k defense debuff.
You're wasting so much for so little, crushing + puncturing is already 7k def reduction.
Not to mention any melee dps can run it with far less loss.
DD's can run it, and as for stam sorcs, this was actually good set back when it could crit. The reason it was good on a stam sorc, was becasue they had 5% increased physical damage, and a rotation based on mostly rapid strike spamming anyway, so they could afford to use synergies in a rotation.
Now, it can't crit, and synergies are abit bugged as well. They dissapear just as fast as they pop up on your screen. Main tank usually stands inside all of the synergies, and it's very easy for a tank to pop them. As a stam dk with alot of dots in my rotation, I can confirm that popping a synergy are a dps loss for me, as my rotation will be 1 sec delayed. I'm sure DD's can still use 5 alkosh, but I personally do not like it.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Blows my mind that anyone ever considered alkosh a tank set. All individual damage boosting and then a 3k defense debuff.
You're wasting so much for so little, crushing + puncturing is already 7k def reduction.
Not to mention any melee dps can run it with far less loss.
I mean it's not like every top raid group in the game runs alkosh on their tanks or anything....Mechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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✭paulsimonps wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Alkosh is not a proc set. Makes sense that you might think it is if you don't use it. Still you shouldn't comment on stuff if you don't know how it works.
So I've been using Alkosh to tank all weekend long, and it still crits. This claim is bunk.
I got curious and tested this on a dummy with a friend just poping synergies. I was there for a good 2 min and not a single crit from Alkosh. I mean I only had a 25% crit chance but over 2min there should have been at least one crit. It could have been a result of just low crit chance but I don't know.
Oh really? Now I'm curious about it again... lol
That probably means I was wrong before. I'll isolate it tonight to double-check and update here (although you're probably right). Thanks for letting me know. Could have sworn that my Alkosh was critting this weekend.... but I've been wrong before.Edited by Autolycus on April 4, 2017 7:23PM0 -
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✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Blows my mind that anyone ever considered alkosh a tank set. All individual damage boosting and then a 3k defense debuff.
You're wasting so much for so little, crushing + puncturing is already 7k def reduction.
Not to mention any melee dps can run it with far less loss.
Trial mobs have 18,200 resistance.
Major Fracture and Breach is 5280
Minor Fracture and Breach is 1320
Default Crusher is 1622
Alkosh is 3010
2h Sharpened or Dual Sharpened is 5160
Total of 16392
Light Armor passive gives you 4884
Total of 21276. So with the combination of Minor Breach and fracture and crusher and Alkosh which all 3 almost never have full up time but using them together will have it so that you get 100% penetration on the bosses in vet Trials. So using that Alkosh on your tank with Crusher adds a lot of extra damage to the group without having any DPS sacrifice their Damage sets.
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✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Blows my mind that anyone ever considered alkosh a tank set. All individual damage boosting and then a 3k defense debuff.
You're wasting so much for so little, crushing + puncturing is already 7k def reduction.
Not to mention any melee dps can run it with far less loss.
@WalksonGraves
All the top guilds have their tanks run Alkosh in trials. 3k is not a small amount of penetration. The goal is to get your total penetration to about 18k, so the boss is essentially naked. Alkosh is a pretty big part of that. Most tanks are smashing synergies pretty frequently, and as others have pointed out, a DPS has to break their rotation to do that. I wont claim that this set is any good for traditional tanking (i.e. stacking mitigation to take a big hit), but that is not how this game is played at the highest level. Most the tanks on record runs are in medium armor these days. Not because medium armor is great for tanking, but that is what the best ultility sets (alkosh and Powerful assault) come in.
TLDR: Alkosh is not only a great tank set, it is a meta tank set in trials.2 -
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✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Blows my mind that anyone ever considered alkosh a tank set. All individual damage boosting and then a 3k defense debuff.
You're wasting so much for so little, crushing + puncturing is already 7k def reduction.
Not to mention any melee dps can run it with far less loss.
@WalksonGraves
All the top guilds have their tanks run Alkosh in trials. 3k is not a small amount of penetration. The goal is to get your total penetration to about 18k, so the boss is essentially naked. Alkosh is a pretty big part of that. Most tanks are smashing synergies pretty frequently, and as others have pointed out, a DPS has to break their rotation to do that. I wont claim that this set is any good for traditional tanking (i.e. stacking mitigation to take a big hit), but that is not how this game is played at the highest level. Most the tanks on record runs are in medium armor these days. Not because medium armor is great for tanking, but that is what the best ultility sets (alkosh and Powerful assault) come in.
TLDR: Alkosh is not only a great tank set, it is a meta tank set in trials.
I get why people use it, I just don't understand why it isn't run on a dps. It's not like it matters who applies the debuff and the majority of the set is individual damage boosting. It's not like dps can't use synergies.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 4, 2017 10:49PM0 -
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✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Can you cite or evidence this?
All weapon procs no longer crit, rip 12k red mountain.
Blows my mind that anyone ever considered alkosh a tank set. All individual damage boosting and then a 3k defense debuff.
You're wasting so much for so little, crushing + puncturing is already 7k def reduction.
Not to mention any melee dps can run it with far less loss.
@WalksonGraves
All the top guilds have their tanks run Alkosh in trials. 3k is not a small amount of penetration. The goal is to get your total penetration to about 18k, so the boss is essentially naked. Alkosh is a pretty big part of that. Most tanks are smashing synergies pretty frequently, and as others have pointed out, a DPS has to break their rotation to do that. I wont claim that this set is any good for traditional tanking (i.e. stacking mitigation to take a big hit), but that is not how this game is played at the highest level. Most the tanks on record runs are in medium armor these days. Not because medium armor is great for tanking, but that is what the best ultility sets (alkosh and Powerful assault) come in.
TLDR: Alkosh is not only a great tank set, it is a meta tank set in trials.
I get why people use it, I just don't understand why it isn't run on a dps. It's not like it matters who applies the debuff and the majority of the set is individual damage boosting. It's not like dps can't use synergies.
They lose too much from useing it when they could use other better pieces and using synergies would mess up their rotation way too much. A tank is in the perfect situation to use synergies and doesn't have to worry about DPS loss. Its the biggest reason.2 -
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✭@paulsimonps I took another look at Alkosh this evening, and I stand corrected; it doesn't crit. I tracked it via Combat Metrics over a couple minutes, with a 40% crit chance, and returned 0 crits, same as you. Sorry for the misinformation, I should have realized that and was obviously seeing something else crit.Edited by Autolycus on April 5, 2017 12:34AM4 -
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✭✭✭@paulsimonps I took another look at Alkosh this evening, and I stand corrected; it doesn't crit. I tracked it via Combat Metrics over a couple minutes, with a 40% crit chance, and returned 0 crits, same as you. Sorry for the misinformation, I should have realized that and was obviously seeing something else crit.
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