An option to exclude DLC dungeons when queueing for random dungeons

ldzlcs065

When my lvl 20 character queue for random dungeons, I really, really don't want to be sent to Cradle of Shadow. Plus, all original dungeons are unlocked according to the character's level, and I think most will agree that DLC dungeons are harder than the highest level dungeons like Vaults of Madness, so I don't know why we don't have a choice to lock it. I think purchasing DLC means a choice, not a force.

Khenarthi

Yes, I want that

I hate the hist dungeons, so I could not agree more.

Duiwel

Random is random OP...

FerrumnCutem

Yes, I want that

Getting into WgT or IcP with a full level 12-20 group is absolute ***.
Noone knows what they are doing and I don't blame them, those are hard dungeons. Especially when you don't even have your backbar unlocked yet.

For the vet random idc, on my mains I can carry all of those, but when leveling an alt and doing the daily random for exp, the Dlc ones are not do able.

Jitterbug

Duiwel wrote: »

Random is random OP...

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Loc2262

Yes, I want that

I've been suggesting this for a long time, so yes, I'm all for it. Doesn't seem though Z is listening to us. Instead they break the group finder rather than improving it.

greylox

Yes, I want that

Zos probably think it's good because people get to try them and see how great the wonderful dLC is so they buy them.....When in reality it just pees people off.

Shivvies

Can you even get it at random if you do not own the DLC?

lolo_01b16_ESO

No, don't like it

In my opinion the purpose of the random group finder is to motivate experienced players to help out some less experienced players who miss someone for their group.
If you are not capable of carrying a group and can't explain mechanics to them in a way that they understand what to do, then better get some friends or guild mates to for a group or just accept that your group might not be able to complete the dungeon.

redspecter23

Yes, I want that

Shivvies wrote: »

Can you even get it at random if you do not own the DLC?

No you can't, which makes not owning the DLC a benefit to those that like to run random dungeons. Not owning a DLC should never provide incentives above actually purchasing it.

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't like it

Random is random

There's already an option to que for all except....use what exists

greylox

Yes, I want that

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Random is random

There's already an option to que for all except....use what exists

But then you don't get the XP.

Merlin13KAGL

OP, shouldn't even be needed if you don't own the content. (Shouldn't being the key word here.)

Duiwel wrote: »

Random is random OP...

True, but there should also be an in game check to see if you own the DLC - if not, the search should simply continue.

That part is developer oversight or wishful marketing. No one's going to run out and buy the content in the 60 seconds you have to confirm group.

They could definitely add some more filtering options (regarding level/CP, etc), but they'd have to get the original finder working first.

Duiwel

Honestly this is an MMO and given that there are social aspects you the player can take to actually GROUP up with people and then queue for a random dungeon eliminating 100% of your "filter".

Secondly I still say random is random. If you get a Shadow of the Hist dungeon and don't want to do it you can always leave and requeue later if you REALLY want to ...

Alternatively just group up with someone who doesn't have the DLC and make them the leader ?

I am sure then the dungeon would not appear.

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't like it

greylox wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Random is random

There's already an option to que for all except....use what exists

But then you don't get the XP.

That's the point. Reward only comes from randomly helping others fill and complete dungeons not just what you want. @greylox

Reverb

Yes, I want that

I would bet that most random groups for DLC dungeons either disband or fail, after several members bail. I'm sure that zeni has the numbers to prove or disprove that. I thought that one of the changes in the last groupfinder update would be to display what dungeon had been queued for, and give the option to accept or go back into queue. Since I doubt that will ever happen well, the option to exclude DLC dungeons seems like the next best solution.

ldzlcs065

Yes, I want that

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

greylox wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Random is random

There's already an option to que for all except....use what exists

But then you don't get the XP.

That's the point. Reward only comes from randomly helping others fill and complete dungeons not just what you want. @greylox

I don't know where did you get the idea that the random dungeons rewards is meant to award helping hands, and I don't think the current group finder mechanics truelly support your theory: it doesn't encourage people to help newbies at all! For me there is a more natural reason, ZOS just want to incentivize us to explore all dungeons contents they provide.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

No, don't like it

If my lv 30 tank and a group of random lv 15 to lv 25 finished craddle of shadow, there is no need to remove it(or any dongeon) of the queue

greylox

Yes, I want that

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

greylox wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Random is random

There's already an option to que for all except....use what exists

But then you don't get the XP.

That's the point. Reward only comes from randomly helping others fill and complete dungeons not just what you want. @greylox

But it can be what i want if i leave and join until i find one i do like. If I'm on all day the 15 min wait doesn't bother me. Not saying it's right or wrong, it just is and a lot of people do it.

SBC

Yes, I want that

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

If my lv 30 tank and a group of random lv 15 to lv 25 finished craddle of shadow, there is no need to remove it(or any dongeon) of the queue

That's not the issue though. The issue is when there is one high level in there and the dungeon gets scaled to CP160 for a group that only 1 or 2 might even be as far as having a secondary skill bar.

doggie

Yes, I want that

If you're a Tank it's actually a reason not to buy the DLC's as they are now. Most of the time I get a DLC dungeon if I do Random as a Tank.

So I rarely bother, the 100k CXP reward and maybe a item you can sell for 5-10k is not worth 1 hour dungeon with two lvl 20's.

If you don't have the DLC's worst case scenario is that you get a hard 2 dungeon with lvl 10's. But that happens rarely. Most cases you wrap it up in 10-15 min, and then 100k is not so bad.

Merlin13KAGL

Duiwel wrote: »

Alternatively just group up with someone who doesn't have the DLC and make them the leader ?

I am sure then the dungeon would not appear.

While I admire your certainty, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

I've had CoS and RoM come up before I enabled the DLC. We've have randoms accepted into the group that were not able to port in because they didn't own the content.

It checks for a valid group first, then it decides which dungeon it will be.

Kozai

Yes, I want that

A friend and I have had to leave a random DLC dungeon before on our sub level 50 characters and come back in with our CP160 ones to help the other two finish it. Exact same players, change out of two characters let us do it. But the two of us didn't get the random dungeon credit, or even completion XPs on the alts we were trying to level, and didn't have time to queue up for another one that day, since we had spent an hour and a half in that one.

We also have a new friend who joined the game, and he noticed that when he was soloing on his character in the 10-25 range he kept getting put into these "really hard" dungeons the group couldn't finish, whereas when he did a pledge with us it wasn't a problem. He didn't really understand the reasoning of the developers when we explained to him that at low levels, there are only a few dungeons the group finder can put you in, and the extra hard, extra long DLC ones are more than half of them.

We have more than one friend who quit Guild Wars 2 because when they tried dungeons, the difficulty was so much beyond the open world stuff they were used to. I'm a little surprised that ESO takes the same risk with randoms and the group finder.

Lauranae

No need, but not against the idea either

Even if i admit that group finder is not certainly a good way to introduce dungeons, players here are also in cause.

Some will only log for daily pledges, and doing them fast, very fast. So they do not want to bother with new players.

So far i encountered different scenarios

1 - kick you immediatly if you are not in their CP range. No explanation, nothing said, just kicked
2 - Keep you in instance but you rather run fast and do not bother with the quest. They are not here to help you but to rush in, so adapt or leave.
3 - they have a little more patience, so they will explain how to do the instance. And even take the quest.
4 - considering that you are cp over 300, they expect you to know the instance, forgetting that most of the time you spend your earlier attempts to be kicked and not helped.
5 - first question asked : what is your dps ? ........

I encountered all those case. I am now cp 450, and i am stuck at Undaunted 4 .... I still have to do some instances for the first time (never did the instance II, and not finished the series of instance I).

I slowly advance by dualing the low instances with my husband. We expect to have Undaunted at 7 may be in two years .....

So i avoid the pledges. Watching youtube and reading guides are helping a little, but i do not feel i am actually able to enter vet pledges not knowing the basic places.

i miss the time where a team leader was there to explain the instance. I miss the time where the fun was not only to get the yellow bust, but also to succeed as a team, while having a lot of fun.


So i think the whole group finder system is to be rewied, as we can not change the player mentality.

LadyLavina

Yes, I want that

Yeah thatd actually be great, then MAYBE pugging the harder s*** would be possible.

requesting minimum cp req in order to be randomly put in those dungeons.

SickDuck

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

greylox wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Random is random

There's already an option to que for all except....use what exists

But then you don't get the XP.

That's the point. Reward only comes from randomly helping others fill and complete dungeons not just what you want. @greylox

Not all randoms are equal. An experienced pre-made friendly group gets the same reward as random individuals with clueless lowbies. When GF and randoms were introduced I was hoping to see less LFG spam in zone chats but actually it's more because of this.

SickDuck

Sales/marketing team must be so proud. SOTH DLC containing nothing but 2 dungeons most people trying to avoid. Zone is filled with 'lfg dailies - no dlc' messages. People rather quitting random runs and waiting for another 15 minutes than bothering to do these runs.

The benefit of random runs exluding dlc dungeons by not having ESO+ compensates for the lack of crafting bag.

Huyen

Yes, I want that

I got White Gold Tower several times in a row for the daily dungeon. Getting annoying...

SickDuck

Huyen wrote: »

I got White Gold Tower several times in a row for the daily dungeon. Getting annoying...

I have 3 healers. Once got summoned into the same ROM run with all of them. Poor guys got ditched 3 times in 3 minutes, not sure if they realised it was the same person.

Grabmoore

Yes, I want that

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

In my opinion the purpose of the random group finder is to motivate experienced players to help out some less experienced players who miss someone for their group.
If you are not capable of carrying a group and can't explain mechanics to them in a way that they understand what to do, then better get some friends or guild mates to for a group or just accept that your group might not be able to complete the dungeon.

Ok, I got you, but hear what happened yesterday.

A friend of mine just started the game. He was level 10 and asked, if he could do a dungeon already. I confirmed and asked 2 friends to join with their twinks. So everyone went on their lowest char in order to level undaunted and show him an easy dungeon.

Guess which one we got? Mazzatun! Seriously?

I mean, we went through it, but without weapon swap or even aoe skills, it took like forever.

That is always the case, we always end up un cos icp or Rom with a random normal twink run.... It's tedious, at least...