Gold Sellers popping up in Facebook

Kneighbors

Turelus wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

It's never ben about the people buying gold. It's always been the sellers.

It's all about these people. They're the ones who bring the business to the "companies" which do this. Those people who buy gold should be punished as well.

1st strike: remove gold (if they spent some send them negative and make them earn it back)
2nd strike: remove gold month ban
3rd strike: perma-ban.

Selling gold: perma-ban.

The community should be coming together to report RMT.

ZOS should be getting off their butts and acting on reports.

You can't really know who is selling gold and who is buying. I want to transfer 1kk coins to a random dude out there because I got enough of that game. So I go ahead and give\send him the gold. You suggest both of us have to get banned for it?

ArchMikem

Lexxypwns wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Against the ToS, for both the seller and the buyer.

Yeah, but the sellers don't care about losing the account, they just get another one. I've read articles where they talked to people who grind gold in games for money. You'd think it would be easier to just get a real job considering what they showed them making in the end.

The buyer should care. My purpose in mentioning this is that people who buy gold from a website need to realize that they can run into trouble with the ToS Enforcement Team. Transfers of gold are logged. It is not possible to hide from ZOS.

Its not possible to hide it, but its possible ZoS doesn't really care.

Not the most recent DDoS, but the one a few months ago came after a large amount of bots(most likely gold sellers) were banned... Since then bots have been back worse than ever with no apparent action.

Thats actually damn messed up. Retaliation for being banned because of wrongful behavior? What is this a gaming crime syndicate? Attack the developers if they dont get their way?

ku5h

Wow 100k gold for 10 bucks! If i could sell my gold to someone for that price i would do it in a blink of an eye, hell i would give him my entire account.

Cpt_Teemo

Tylos001 wrote: »

No Illegal but highly frowned upon.

Actually it is illegal, you can get sued if you made a certain amount of money, its called "Copyright" for a reason.

The legal penalties for copyright infringement are:

Infringer pays the actual dollar amount of damages and profits.
The law provides a range from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed.
Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs.
The Court can issue an injunction to stop the infringing acts.
The Court can impound the illegal works.
The infringer can go to jail.

ricam

It should be made clear to new players. Not everyone reads the fine print when they start a new game.

sarbonn

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Noticed them popping up in text chat up in craglorn yesterday. I mean what real player names their character jxddjhnk?

Hey, that's my main's name. Why are you calling him out? His parents had very angry, dyslexic problems. He's been in Breton therapy ever since just trying to get over it.

zaria

kyle.wilson wrote: »

It's never ben about the people buying gold. It's always been the sellers.
Gold sellers are often backed by bots, and with the cost of the game being so low the risk is low for the botter.

Even Blizzard is having a hard time keeping up with the bots.
http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/1231311-blizzard-seek-8-5-million-damages-cheaters-ruining-overwatch-wow
http://mmoexaminer.com/blizzard-cracks-world-warcraft-bot-users/

And this is from a couple years ago, when Blizzard banned 100,000 accounts for botting.
http://www.pcgamer.com/blizzard-bans-more-than-100000-world-of-warcraft-accounts/

Its two levels of bots, its the player run bots used for afk leveling or farming, used as an more advanced and more effective rubberbanding.
And you have the gold sellers bots, either hacked accounts or accounts bought by stolen credit cards.
Unlike players they all look the same, have the same gear and have idiot names they are also better run.
Its very easy to differentiate
This was an major problem in the start, it was loads of them.
Suddenly they was gone, the delete character limit is because of them.

And you don't have to look for weird transactions, it would be hard anyway. As its lots of weird transactions going on. Its also legal to give other gold. However the gold farming bots will only interact with one or a few real players, perhaps they have a guild. Anyway, money or items goes to controllers.
So you watch the controllers transaction log. They have to move insane amount of gold for this to make sense.
I doubt they do all the work to launder the gold well. they just hand it over and don't care much if they account id disabled.

QuebraRegra

rotaugen454 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Against the ToS, for both the seller and the buyer.

Yeah, but the sellers don't care about losing the account, they just get another one. I've read articles where they talked to people who grind gold in games for money. You'd think it would be easier to just get a real job considering what they showed them making in the end.

There were some articles about "political prisoners" who protested in Tienanmen square ending up in Chinese forced labour camps grinding gold in WOW.

QuebraRegra

ku5h wrote: »

Wow 100k gold for 10 bucks! If i could sell my gold to someone for that price i would do it in a blink of an eye, hell i would give him my entire account.

shame you aint on XBOX

Shadow_Viper_vX

Sadly it seems as though the bots are coming back and ESO took a major performance hit for nothing with the anti-bot measures put in place way back when.

https://youtu.be/IzFS4RKA5uc?t=672

Video perfectly explains the issue

LadyLavina

Turelus wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

The countries which sell it normally fall outside of the jurisdiction of the countries which make the games.

If it's a site like eBay they have rules against it (though they're too lazy to enforce it even when reported because it makes them money).

That's what I was afraid of. ZoS can't go after the sellers but can go after the buyers. Ya really wanna risk losing that account you poured all those hours into?

If they wanted to stop this they should act in game to do so. Remove purchased gold from players, ban accounts of buyers.

CCP Games does this and even goes so far as to take your wallet into the negatives if you've already spent the money. There is a general fear of buying/selling ISK (gold) in EVE Online because of how on the ball CCP is.

Sadly I've been over this many times and ZOS has no interest in a security team like CCP employs.

I'm so happy you brought up CCP. Zeni should really look to them for how to do MMOs right, for lack of better phrasing.

Shadow_Viper_vX

CCP?

NewBlacksmurf

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Against the ToS, for both the seller and the buyer.

Yeah, but the sellers don't care about losing the account, they just get another one. I've read articles where they talked to people who grind gold in games for money. You'd think it would be easier to just get a real job considering what they showed them making in the end.

The buyer should care. My purpose in mentioning this is that people who buy gold from a website need to realize that they can run into trouble with the ToS Enforcement Team. Transfers of gold are logged. It is not possible to hide from ZOS.

Its not possible to hide it, but its possible ZoS doesn't really care.

Not the most recent DDoS, but the one a few months ago came after a large amount of bots(most likely gold sellers) were banned... Since then bots have been back worse than ever with no apparent action.

Thats actually damn messed up. Retaliation for being banned because of wrongful behavior? What is this a gaming crime syndicate? Attack the developers if they dont get their way?

It's a form of terroism not ppl wanting to get their way. America has been a focus of attack for years

Bouldercleave

This is a HORRIBLE game to try and sell in game gold.

There is almost NOTHING to spend money on end game as most of the BiS gear is bind on pick-up or crafted like TBS.

I've got millions in the bank in gold and even more if I sold my 3998563763987 mats that I've collected since launch.

I have really nothing to spend it on. I craft all my alts gear and by the time one hits CP level, I have plenty of funds to fill in the purchasable holes in the inventory slots (ie jewelry)

If you grind one character to be a master crafter, you will almost never spend a coin again.

Caligamy_ESO

ZoS sold them your account and browsing info

Jaybe_Mawfaka

Inb4 closed.

Shadow_Viper_vX

Need to keep spreading the word about the bot issue and the related performance issue from way back in the day

Kay1

I get spammed every single day and I wonder.

WHAT type of *** will buy it? Look at the prices, 100k for 10€ lmao I know of players who used to sell 50M for 500 euros and I'm pretty sure that if you spend some time you can find people who will sell you gold at some real price.


I still find it stupid as hell because in this game if you PvE you make enough gold and if you PvP you don't need gold at all so.

djdc1234

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

100k for that much? I can make 100k in 20 mins daily questing. Damn. Need to start a new business.

no you cant. post a video of you doing so in 20 mins. no tricks

SydneyGrey

QuebraRegra wrote: »

There were some articles about "political prisoners" who protested in Tienanmen square ending up in Chinese forced labour camps grinding gold in WOW.

So if you get sent to prison in China, you are forced to play WoW.
I know I shouldn't find that funny, but I do.*

(*Just the WoW playing, though. ... Please no one lecture me about how I'm an insensitive baboon about human rights.)

Duiwel

This is what happens when you guys don't report those AFK macro botters at the Dolmens & the material gathering bot trains in quiet Pact zones.

Jim_Pipp

It is important to distinguish between zos and the gold sellers.

One doesn't care about ruining your gaming experience if it makes them a profit. The other are selling gold in violation of the tos.

KerinKor

Turelus wrote: »

Sadly I've been over this many times and ZOS has no interest in a security team like CCP employs.

This certainly seems to be the case, like most MMO publishers ZOS are too scared to take action against the buyers as that's a prime source of their revenue .. the number of players buying in-game currency is huge, a good percentage of ZOS' profits come from those players one way or another.

The only games I play where RMT has ever been tamed are LOTRO and EVE, and even in LOTRO it's been patchy.

Asardes

People who make suspect transactions should be banned with no warning or further notice. The game should be cleansed of them. Otherwise the brand will take a hit and it will lose in the long run.

Elsonso

Duiwel wrote: »

This is what happens when you guys don't report those AFK macro botters at the Dolmens & the material gathering bot trains in quiet Pact zones.

Heh.

djdc1234 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

100k for that much? I can make 100k in 20 mins daily questing. Damn. Need to start a new business.

no you cant. post a video of you doing so in 20 mins. no tricks

Yeah, that is a 20 minute ESO video I would actually sit through. Well, at least the first couple minutes. Maybe 30 seconds. I would definitely look at the title of the video on youtube. Would I have to click on anything to actually get to see the video? Maybe someone can just let me know what the video contains?

KerinKor wrote: »

like most MMO publishers ZOS are too scared to take action against the buyers as that's a prime source of their revenue .. the number of players buying in-game currency is huge, a good percentage of ZOS' profits come from those players one way or another.

No, I don't think they are scared of losing revenue by banning people. I also don't think it is a prime source of revenue for them. While it is fun and entertaining to think that, I don't take claims like that seriously.

It is much better for the studio budget when they don't have to staff a large number of employees tasked with enforcing the ToS. Employees cost money. I think the whole problem is that they simply don't have the staffing that currently matches the number of violations that need to be investigated. They are likely just plugging away at it at a steady pace, which to outsiders, appears to be doing nothing at all.

Asardes wrote: »

People who make suspect transactions should be banned with no warning or further notice. The game should be cleansed of them. Otherwise the brand will take a hit and it will lose in the long run.

Honestly, no. If they are doing this right, they are not doing witch hunts. If they just start banning people with "suspect transactions", they will ban people who were doing nothing wrong. They will ban you because you naively bought a Motif you needed for too much gold.

In the end, witch hunts are just another problem. Why do I want to play a game where, during what appears to be normal play, I get suddenly banned, without warning? To me, that is worse than having the gold sellers around. I can ignore botters and gold sellers while I play. It is pretty hard to ignore that ban.

zaria

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Tylos001 wrote: »

No Illegal but highly frowned upon.

Actually it is illegal, you can get sued if you made a certain amount of money, its called "Copyright" for a reason.

The legal penalties for copyright infringement are:

Infringer pays the actual dollar amount of damages and profits.
The law provides a range from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed.
Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs.
The Court can issue an injunction to stop the infringing acts.
The Court can impound the illegal works.
The infringer can go to jail.

It has nothing to do with copyright, say you use an exploit, get lots of gold and sell it for money.
You can be banned from the game but you broke no law, except tax laws if you make enough and did not report it.

Yes organized gold sellers often use stolen credit cards to create account or steal accounts.

Cogo

The problem isnt the gold sellers, even if they are vermin that I hope ZoS bans asap.

The problem are the BUYERS. Anyone who buy once, creates 10 more annoying sellers.
I never understood who would even want to buy gold, but playing WoW for years made me realize there are lots of lazy players out there.

On the EU-PC server there is no goldseller spam or trade what so ever. Only the first weeks of launch had them, but for 3 years, I never seen em. Maybe PC players have better standards then other platforms players?

I am serious here. Never buy anything in game for real money, unless its ZoS. YOU create problems for the game AND you risk getting your account banned.