Earthtear Cavern is more expensive than Mass Effect Andromeda

dodgehopper_ESO

Maff wrote: »

baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »

I remember the time when they offered people money for logging into the game. That's how bad it was. Now they are on the wave of Morrowind comebacks and using it to catch as many fish as they can. Can't say I blame them, it's business afterall.

You're right, it's business. But it's also a game and games should be fun and entertaining. There's nothing fun or entertaining about being shown something you might like as an addition to the game then being charged an absurd amount of real money for it.
ZOS has completely lost touch with the concept of games being fun. The game is now nothing more than a means to make money. The fun side of it has taken a back seat. Homestead decorating fun is very short lived and shows how little effort goes into what we get for an update now. I can walk out my Riften house, straight into the city and oh look my house is exactly the same as that Inn.
So I refuse to spend on this game again. I will just enjoy the things I have already paid for.
Morrowind won't even come with an additional character slot so I can actually use the new class unless I pay AGAIN for an extra slot or delete a character I have put a lot of work into and still use. So I won't pay for Morrowind either. I'm not feeding the greedy.

Your point about fun is precisely why I keep saying I'm going to quit playing MMO's in general. I plan on ESO being my last, but I'll ride the wave for as long as I'm still entertained by it (note to developers: My entertainment does not come from digital swag).

Ep1kMalware

Doflamingo wrote: »

But Mass Effect Andromeda lasts for like 1 week and then there's nothing to do (story takes 4 days at most). ESO is an MMORPG so it never ends

That's because of 'rng'.

Tannus15

I don't understand this thread.
If it's too expensive, don't buy it.

I'm not.
I'm not buying any houses with crowns.

Buy stuff with in game gold. If you can't buy it for in game gold, then don't buy it. If you don't have enough in game gold, then you have an in game goal to work towards.

If no one buys earth-tear then ZOS will need to reassess the cost of housing.

I also don't get what people are going on about feeling "cheated". You know housing has no "functionality". You know it's for decorating and there a limits on the number of people etc etc. Why the hell would you go and buy Earth-tear and then get all "omg, I didn't realise it was just the big empty space I previewed! I've been cheated!"

Lastly stop doing weird price comparisons. That car costs as much as a house! That house costs 10 times as much as that house in a different city!
So what? What's your point?
Earth tear cavern costs less than a bottle of wine! It costs 10x as much as a bottle of wine! WTF is up with wine???

Oh wait a minute, you DGAF about any of that. Basically the real problem is "I want earth tear cavern but I don't want to spend that much money therefore for some reason I'm going to whinge about it on the forums". Well, I want a Tesla model s, but whinging about it ain't going to change the fact that I can't afford it.
You're not getting earth tear, no matter how badly you want it unless you pay for it. Move on.

seaef

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

postlarval wrote: »

Sounds about right since staring at the cavern scenery is more exciting than most Bioware games.

Ending aside, Mass Effect is one of the most critically acclaimed video game series of all time. You're in a very small minority if you thought it was boring.

Well, I guess the majority of gamers are more gullible than I previously thought. Thanks for confirming it.

snakester320

svartorn wrote: »

People need to stop buying crowns or this is only going to get worse.

No ppl should buy crowns !! Just spend them wisely!!
Yes most of my arguments have been not to buy scam crates and spend ridiculous prices on housing!
God knows ZOS needs some revenue in order to continue content and keep the game running BUT it's the way there going about it that needs to be questioned and shouldn't be supported !!
If 80% of players stopped subbing and stopped buying crates and spending huge amounts on housing They would have to re think there ideas on how to make money most ppl will throw money at games/ game company's if they see value for there entertainment
ATM $100+ for manors and cave/island with little to no use is simply disgusting and crates that stack in there favour with no other options is pure greed!!
And should NOT be supported!!!!!

Tannus15

postlarval wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

postlarval wrote: »

Sounds about right since staring at the cavern scenery is more exciting than most Bioware games.

Ending aside, Mass Effect is one of the most critically acclaimed video game series of all time. You're in a very small minority if you thought it was boring.

Well, I guess the majority of gamers are more gullible than I previously thought. Thanks for confirming it.

hahaha, you're like that guy who see that 97% of scientists agree climate change is man made and goes "I knew they were all in on it!"

KingDasDing

I knew someone would bring up Runescape to this matter

seaef

Tannus15 wrote: »

hahaha, you're like that guy who see that 97% of scientists agree climate change is man made and goes "I knew they were all in on it!"

This makes even less sense than most of your posts. You should see a doctor about your condition.

Ep1kMalware

KingDasDing wrote: »

I knew someone would bring up Runescape to this matter

Rs is the kind of game where the devs will post a popularity poll on a touchy subject, and then pick the vote thst got the most *** no!'s given. Idk why but they really didn't mind loosing most their playerbase overnight. They'd recover again and repeat.

Their idea of balance is: "oh, did somebody type a funny character into zone chat, disable hundreds of acounts, and permanantly capture all pf their items that may have takem years to get? We could roll the server back! But we won't!

Grinds in eso aren't ***. It would cost msny players a years saving gold (if they were good) to biy the materials to grind a skill quickly, and that would take weeks. You think making potions on eso sucks? Imagine doing that 40-60,000 times, and THEN having to reload your invontory every 28 times. All this at the cost of what eso's equivilent to about 800,000,000gold. To buy this wonderful opertunity.

This was all before the eoc update ofc, idgat about that garbage. But yeh, eso coule be way worse. And balamce? Imagine giving me ur 6 months grind of perfect vma loot cuz I 1 shot you with a bow. Sounds silly, but It was funnier than ***.

Faulgor

You'll enjoy this game a lot more if you ignore the crown store alltogether.
I know I do.

STEVIL

LuminaLilly wrote: »

What kills me is it actially costs as much as morrowind collectors edition. What kills me even more is there's a thread around here with people saying its a decent price.

i think Earthtear Cavern is at a decent price and one that is reasonable and consistent with their other established housing prices. if anything i expected it to be higher.

Knootewoot

Doflamingo wrote: »

But Mass Effect Andromeda lasts for like 1 week and then there's nothing to do (story takes 4 days at most). ESO is an MMORPG so it never ends

You will walk around in your non functional ESO house for 1 day and then you burst out in tears knowing you could have bought ME Andromeda for cheaper and probably would have had more fun in it then 1 week ( I played ME1-3 at least 5 times).

Pricing is ridiculous. I even think mounts should not be 4500 crowns but maybe max 2500.

ShadowHvo

Knootewoot wrote: »

Doflamingo wrote: »

But Mass Effect Andromeda lasts for like 1 week and then there's nothing to do (story takes 4 days at most). ESO is an MMORPG so it never ends

You will walk around in your non functional ESO house for 1 day and then you burst out in tears knowing you could have bought ME Andromeda for cheaper and probably would have had more fun in it then 1 week ( I played ME1-3 at least 5 times).

Pricing is ridiculous. I even think mounts should not be 4500 crowns but maybe max 2500.

The irony is, this is very subjective.

Whenever a person finds more enjoyament in Mass Effect's newest installment or the Craglorn Cavern is ENITRELY up to the person.

I myself, will find more enjoyment in the Craglorn Cavern for 3 very simple reasons:

1. I will play Mass Effect for less than a month, and then that is my money spent.
2. ESO is a game I have played since the launch, and will most likely continue to play for years to come.
3. A cave in craglorn, which I have built into a very nice looking arena, will give me and my friends more fun, and arguably more fond memories, than any Mass Effect game ever will be capable of, due to the caverns longlivity in comparison to Mass Effects short-lifespan for me.


I have bought the cavern, and whenever you disagree with my choice, outright hate me for it or consider me a disease to online gaming, will be all up to you. However, I have bought something for an arguably insane price, because -I- believe, that I myself, will find great enjoyment in this cavern. So far I have.

People like to argue that the the cave has no features, and no.. It doesn't, except that it gives you the feature to create your own features. Do you want a spa, an arena, a secret murder cave? Its all up to you, built what -YOU- want, not what others want.

One thing that I will most certainly say though, is that houses in general has very little in terms of longlivity for anyone that is not a completionist or roleplayer, but that is due to the nature of housing itself. Either you find interest in it, or you don't. Simple as that.

Cpt_Teemo

STEVIL wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

What kills me is it actially costs as much as morrowind collectors edition. What kills me even more is there's a thread around here with people saying its a decent price.

i think Earthtear Cavern is at a decent price and one that is reasonable and consistent with their other established housing prices. if anything i expected it to be higher.

For the price of 2 ME's ? Not worth it imo.

mlstevens42_ESO

Okay I will bite on this. The cavern is something that one can spend hours decorating and so on even if it has no functionality as in storage capabilities. Sure it is expensive but not that much more then the manors which many have already bought with crowns even at the furnished prices. They figure why not it is easier then gathering all of the mats needful and getting the proper prints to do it themselves.

Not everyone plays bunches of other games and while I personally liked me 1-3 it doesn't follow that everyone will. Further would like to add it took me only a couple of days to beat each one......I have been playing this game since the beta days and I am still here I have not looked at me3 save in passing since I beat it on a few chars. So two weeks tops compared to almost four years. Which one is the better investment in this light if I can only buy one or the other. It is a to each their own subject.

STEVIL

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

What kills me is it actially costs as much as morrowind collectors edition. What kills me even more is there's a thread around here with people saying its a decent price.

i think Earthtear Cavern is at a decent price and one that is reasonable and consistent with their other established housing prices. if anything i expected it to be higher.

For the price of 2 ME's ? Not worth it imo.

Since i would not spend a dime on ME for me its like 750+ MEs and likely more. So its a bargain.

Agalloch

People, you don't see ...??

Everything is about Crown Store these days...

All is overpriced....but is like this because there are enough people to buy stuff from it.

If the sales will drop ZOS will be forced to lower the prices.

Too bad such a great MMO has become Elder "Crowns" Online.

Coding team is doing bad, balance team the same. The others are doing a great job..Crown Store Items, Housing , Crown Crates.All is focused in Crown Store because people buy stuff from it.

I hope the develop team and other teams besides the ones mentioned above to not transform too...in some crown store stuff...

I really hope ESO to not fall down ....

All the best!



English is not my native language.

Kendo12

ZOS is the new EA

mlstevens42_ESO

While I may agree that many things in the crown store are in "My opinion" over priced not everyone thinks so. I know several people ran out immediately and got the new crown crates to get new stuff. I saw several people riding around on the wild hunt beasts. I know several have bought the manors furnished because it was in some form worth it to them. Just because you may not agree does not mean anything. It just means that it is not likely that you will purchase the items you think are over priced that is all. So you voted with your wallet and did not purchase.....and several ran out and bought it because it was worth it... Same as any other object in life.

Perhaps for you a Porsche is the greatest thing since sliced cheese you bought one. It doesn't matter to you one lick that I do not agree and think the thing is over priced. Maybe with my cash I decided to buy a house or a boat or some land some place instead. If your happy with what you have then why does it matter that my choice was different then yours or yours different then mine. The items gained from spending the cash at the time of purchase at least pleased the individual buying and that is truly all that matters.

Knootewoot

If I tell myself 100 times I am handsome and am the greatest guy around, maybe I will believe that too.

Edit: The comparison was Andromeda, but don't say: I don't like Mass Effect so cavern is more fun to me.

It's 100 bucks. Yeah sure, you could buy either the cave or Andromena. But you could do other things with those 100 bucks. I am pretty sure there is something else worth 100 bucks that will last longer or give more enjoyment then a virtual cave which isn't even yours to begin with.

Tommy_The_Gun

Funny thing is that if you ever did some Morrowind / Oblivion / Skyrim mods (using creation kit) you will know that creating new location that is abut the size of a Earthtear Cavern... takes about 5 days (if only one person is working on it) - or 5 hours if you had layout planned before

So I really don't know why they charge so much of this...

Wolfenbelle

Earthtear Cavern is overpriced, but affording it is not the problem for me. I won't buy Earthtear Cavern simply because I don't like it. I do like the island, but might not buy it either since ZOS oddly decided not to release it yet. So I got Hundings Palatial Hall furnished, then made changes to suit me.

I like Hundings and now see no reason to buy another house. If ZOS had released the island when they released housing, I would have bought it instead of Hundings. So ZOS probably lost at least one customer (me) for the island. Shrug.

Count me among those who think housing is underwhelming and nearly useless, at best. My little Vulkel Guard apartment and Hundings are all I need.

Jitterbug

JackDaniell wrote: »

To be fair 90% of crown store items are just a waste of money an available in game with in game gold. The other 10% is for people with gambling addictions to get preyed on.

In China it's actually required by law for games with a gambling function (crown crates) to show you your percent chance of acquiring each item.

In Japan they sell more adult diapers than they do child diapers.

Is that information relevant? No. But it's fun.

Origin

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Funny thing is that if you ever did some Morrowind / Oblivion / Skyrim mods (using creation kit) you will know that creating new location that is abut the size of a Earthtear Cavern... takes about 5 days (if only one person is working on it) - or 5 hours if you had layout planned before

So I really don't know why they charge so much of this...

You are perfectly right. This is also my effort estimate for the Earthtear Cavern, if not even significantly lower if the person working on it is an expert.
And the point here is not the comparison with one game or another. I just picked up Andromeda as an example because I like ME and I know that there is a massive effort invested in it vs. a ridiculously lower effort for the creation of the cave in ESO. It is also perfectly fine if people like more the cave and decide to buy it, it is their own decision how they spend their money.

What I question is the value of the digital content in ESO for the premium prices. I think that is absurd to sell for this price something that you created with almost no effort. And keep in mind that the effort was spent once while the digital item will sell countless times with no additional costs. It is not like buying a premium good like for ex an expensive sport car - in that case, each car requires effort and materials, meaning there are significant costs for producing every unit.

mariskaas

And people will still buy it because it makes them happy. I may spend my money on other things that people think are ridiculous but makes me happy so why should you care. If it's about the: everything will get more expensive if people keep paying for it. Yes of course it will, they will keep pushing the limits, it's a business. Good thing that everything in the crown store is decoration, has no real purpose other than looking good and gives you no real advantages in the game.

STEVIL

Origin wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Funny thing is that if you ever did some Morrowind / Oblivion / Skyrim mods (using creation kit) you will know that creating new location that is abut the size of a Earthtear Cavern... takes about 5 days (if only one person is working on it) - or 5 hours if you had layout planned before

So I really don't know why they charge so much of this...

You are perfectly right. This is also my effort estimate for the Earthtear Cavern, if not even significantly lower if the person working on it is an expert.
And the point here is not the comparison with one game or another. I just picked up Andromeda as an example because I like ME and I know that there is a massive effort invested in it vs. a ridiculously lower effort for the creation of the cave in ESO. It is also perfectly fine if people like more the cave and decide to buy it, it is their own decision how they spend their money.

What I question is the value of the digital content in ESO for the premium prices. I think that is absurd to sell for this price something that you created with almost no effort. And keep in mind that the effort was spent once while the digital item will sell countless times with no additional costs. It is not like buying a premium good like for ex an expensive sport car - in that case, each car requires effort and materials, meaning there are significant costs for producing every unit.

Time and materials is only a small part of the value of a thing.

For things that are of an entertainment nature - it may be the least important factor.

in 1995 Waterworld cost 175m to make vs Apollo 13 at 62m and Waterworld took a lot longer to film to boot.

if we were to assign a "value" based on time and materials - that makes Waterworld the best picture of 1995 - by a landslide iirc.

The value for these kinds of things has little to do with budget and man-hours - and everything to do with whether or not it delivers what its intended audience wants.

EC IMO will do this for its intended audience - but that intended audience is not "every ESO player" or "every ESO forum whiner" at all.

There are lots of cheaper houses scaling up from free to just under the price of EC for those who don't share the same values as the intended audience or buyers of EC.

there is no right or wrong metric for these things beyond personal preferences.

Origin

STEVIL wrote: »

Origin wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Funny thing is that if you ever did some Morrowind / Oblivion / Skyrim mods (using creation kit) you will know that creating new location that is abut the size of a Earthtear Cavern... takes about 5 days (if only one person is working on it) - or 5 hours if you had layout planned before

So I really don't know why they charge so much of this...

You are perfectly right. This is also my effort estimate for the Earthtear Cavern, if not even significantly lower if the person working on it is an expert.
And the point here is not the comparison with one game or another. I just picked up Andromeda as an example because I like ME and I know that there is a massive effort invested in it vs. a ridiculously lower effort for the creation of the cave in ESO. It is also perfectly fine if people like more the cave and decide to buy it, it is their own decision how they spend their money.

What I question is the value of the digital content in ESO for the premium prices. I think that is absurd to sell for this price something that you created with almost no effort. And keep in mind that the effort was spent once while the digital item will sell countless times with no additional costs. It is not like buying a premium good like for ex an expensive sport car - in that case, each car requires effort and materials, meaning there are significant costs for producing every unit.

Time and materials is only a small part of the value of a thing.

For things that are of an entertainment nature - it may be the least important factor.

in 1995 Waterworld cost 175m to make vs Apollo 13 at 62m and Waterworld took a lot longer to film to boot.

if we were to assign a "value" based on time and materials - that makes Waterworld the best picture of 1995 - by a landslide iirc.

The value for these kinds of things has little to do with budget and man-hours - and everything to do with whether or not it delivers what its intended audience wants.

EC IMO will do this for its intended audience - but that intended audience is not "every ESO player" or "every ESO forum whiner" at all.

There are lots of cheaper houses scaling up from free to just under the price of EC for those who don't share the same values as the intended audience or buyers of EC.

there is no right or wrong metric for these things beyond personal preferences.

@STEVIL, could you please explain what exactly is EC delivering to justify this insane price? I would also like to know who may be the intended audience, in your opinion.

And while at it, could you also please explain what do you mean by "every ESO forum whiner"?

Thank you.

Shgon_Dunstan

... No, really. ME:A is irelevent to the fact that the house just isn't worth that much real money.


Just REALLY love the house that much? ... Your still being a fool for buying it at those prices. If you want it so much, it's worth the work and wait to get it all with in game gold.

Raeph

Tannus15 wrote: »

I don't understand this thread.
If it's too expensive, don't buy it.

I'm not.
I'm not buying any houses with crowns.

Buy stuff with in game gold. If you can't buy it for in game gold, then don't buy it. If you don't have enough in game gold, then you have an in game goal to work towards.

If no one buys earth-tear then ZOS will need to reassess the cost of housing.

I also don't get what people are going on about feeling "cheated". You know housing has no "functionality". You know it's for decorating and there a limits on the number of people etc etc. Why the hell would you go and buy Earth-tear and then get all "omg, I didn't realise it was just the big empty space I previewed! I've been cheated!"

Lastly stop doing weird price comparisons. That car costs as much as a house! That house costs 10 times as much as that house in a different city!
So what? What's your point?
Earth tear cavern costs less than a bottle of wine! It costs 10x as much as a bottle of wine! WTF is up with wine???

Oh wait a minute, you DGAF about any of that. Basically the real problem is "I want earth tear cavern but I don't want to spend that much money therefore for some reason I'm going to whinge about it on the forums". Well, I want a Tesla model s, but whinging about it ain't going to change the fact that I can't afford it.
You're not getting earth tear, no matter how badly you want it unless you pay for it. Move on.

By this logic you can't compare anything to anything.

People are pointing out the cost of two things within a similar genre and demonstrating the relative effort, development cost, and value (subjective, but still) between the two being completely disparate, and yet they cost the same.

What's so astonishing about that?

Using your housing example, it's like if a 1 bedroom apartment in Detroit was the same price as a mansion in San Francisco. Yeah, you don't have to buy the apartment, but you're not exactly wrong in saying it's completely bonkers.

vMaick

How is it that the crown prices in OPs post are cheaper than mine? I live in the Netherlands and play xbox, 5000 crowns cost 40€, not 5500 for 35€. The valuta is the same so that cant be the issue. This Cavern, furnitured, would cost me over 120€ if I were to buy it.

Am I getting *** or something?