VMA without Vicious Ophidian Stamina builds

Lefthy

Hi all, once again i come to you looking advice

Im running VMA with my Stam DK and while i manage to get a decent performance i think i have room to improvement.

First of all, i dont have Vo and probably not going to get them in the short time, so i want to improve my build without that set.

Im currently using TBS + Agility + 1 Krag + 1 Velidreth + NMG weapons

But im thinking on swap TBS for a complete NMG and add some new set instead of agility but i dont know what will be a good change.

Spriggan? With NMG and Sharp weapons do i need more penetration?
Leviathan?
And what about TBS and Leviathan o Spriggan? Could they make a better combo that NMG?

I feel kind of bad doing this thread because i know there are a couple of discutions about it but none of them got any final answers .
Thank you all

Sallington

Just run a normal SO run once, and scoop up everyone elses VO gear with trash traits to make a 5-piece. Even with trash traits, the difference is night and day in my opinion. A little less DPS, but the sustain and perma-major expedition is something I couldn't do without.


Sorry, no advice for your actual question.

WarpigFunk

Briarheart jewelry with 2 body pieces, 3 body pieces NMG, 2 sharp NMG daggers (or 1 sharp 1 precise if you want)
2 pc velidreth.

You'll have damage and healing like crazy ... you will lack sustain and mobility without VO tho.

Solariken

You might like a heavy armor build @Lefthy, especially on a stamDk. Dreugh King Slayer is a really excellent set for certain vMA setups and the playstyle feels similar to wearing VO. Here's my build if you want to check it out:

https://youtu.be/jWS7WJKRyoY

SirDopey

I think the best part of VO is the resource return, now that I have it I don't go into VMA on a stam character without it.

Running Spriggans + NMG + Sharpened weapons + Kraghs would be over penetrating. This gives you options though, drop the Kraghs and run two velo, you're deps will go up. Not sure what sustain will be like though without the VO so you could run the two sets with engine guardian. If you have noxious breath on you'll be reducing even the toughest bosses to 0 armor so you'll be free to put 0 cps into penetration.

I found spriggans and NMG really good on my stamsorc until I got my VO setup completed because DW/Bow stamsorcs have no access to major fracture.

Lukums1

Just do what I do / did.

NMG ( so you don't have to breath continuously ) apply major fracture with NMG you can not worry about this "so much"
Agility is fine
Place veli helm/shoulders it's still viable and the burst is still plausible to run.

Do not over do things.

Also try to avoid the "silly builds"

Just keep it simple (stupid) is the saying and works flawlessly.

If you're strapped for resources don't run caltrops and if you're still having issues 5000 health 487 regen is also fine to run.
I've completed Stam DK with 22k STAM (for LOLS) "no food" and still scored 500k +

I'd swap into NMG which you already mentioned and place on veli keeping the daggers.

No other sets are required. This I promise you.

Luke

derpmander

Lukums1 wrote: »

Just do what I do / did.

NMG ( so you don't have to breath continuously ) apply major fracture with NMG you can not worry about this "so much"
Agility is fine
Place veli helm/shoulders it's still viable and the burst is still plausible to run.

Do not over do things.

Also try to avoid the "silly builds"

Just keep it simple (stupid) is the saying and works flawlessly.

If you're strapped for resources don't run caltrops and if you're still having issues 5000 health 487 regen is also fine to run.
I've completed Stam DK with 22k STAM (for LOLS) "no food" and still scored 500k +

I'd swap into NMG which you already mentioned and place on veli keeping the daggers.

No other sets are required. This I promise you.

Luke

NMG does not provide major fracture. It gives half the value of major fracture. But it penetrates basically all the bosses well enough except for round 7 and 8 bosses. So yeah theres that.

Lukums1

derpmander wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Just do what I do / did.

NMG ( so you don't have to breath continuously ) apply major fracture with NMG you can not worry about this "so much"
Agility is fine
Place veli helm/shoulders it's still viable and the burst is still plausible to run.

Do not over do things.

Also try to avoid the "silly builds"

Just keep it simple (stupid) is the saying and works flawlessly.

If you're strapped for resources don't run caltrops and if you're still having issues 5000 health 487 regen is also fine to run.
I've completed Stam DK with 22k STAM (for LOLS) "no food" and still scored 500k +

I'd swap into NMG which you already mentioned and place on veli keeping the daggers.

No other sets are required. This I promise you.

Luke

NMG does not provide major fracture. It gives half the value of major fracture. But it penetrates basically all the bosses well enough except for round 7 and 8 bosses. So yeah theres that.

Sorry I never kinda said NMG applys major facture what I meant was you don't need to worry about "applying major facture" through breath as NMG kinda picks up the job making your vMA life easier but not continuously applying.

I tell everyone learning vMA = NMG + Agility + Veli / NMG + VO + Veli.

NM / DK / Sorc making life a million times easier.

jasonteck

i would check out this post. I am not sure how accurate this information is, but it will give you some insight. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/328598/results-of-damage-testing-set-combos-spriggan-leviathan-automaton-tbs-vo-dragr-hulk-hunding#latest

Lefthy

WarpigFunk wrote: »

Briarheart jewelry with 2 body pieces, 3 body pieces NMG, 2 sharp NMG daggers (or 1 sharp 1 precise if you want)
2 pc velidreth.

You'll have damage and healing like crazy ... you will lack sustain and mobility without VO tho.

Briarheart its an option i didnt count, thank for the idea!

Solariken wrote: »

You might like a heavy armor build @Lefthy, especially on a stamDk. Dreugh King Slayer is a really excellent set for certain vMA setups and the playstyle feels similar to wearing VO. Here's my build if you want to check it out:

https://youtu.be/jWS7WJKRyoY

You know my first option before doing VMA was a heavy armor semi tank build because i didnt want to die a hundred times while learning, but decided to go full medium dps and try to follow the meta at the time. definetly gonna try that sometime.

SirDopey wrote: »

I think the best part of VO is the resource return, now that I have it I don't go into VMA on a stam character without it.

Running Spriggans + NMG + Sharpened weapons + Kraghs would be over penetrating. This gives you options though, drop the Kraghs and run two velo, you're deps will go up. Not sure what sustain will be like though without the VO so you could run the two sets with engine guardian. If you have noxious breath on you'll be reducing even the toughest bosses to 0 armor so you'll be free to put 0 cps into penetration.

Yeah i was thinking about spriggan or leviathan, NMG + Spriggan should be a nice dps boost from TBS + agility i think. the engine guardian its a cool option, or maybe something to get more health o recovery and dont feel too squishy.

Lukums1 wrote: »

Just do what I do / did.

NMG ( so you don't have to breath continuously ) apply major fracture with NMG you can not worry about this "so much"
Agility is fine
Place veli helm/shoulders it's still viable and the burst is still plausible to run.

Do not over do things.

Also try to avoid the "silly builds"

Just keep it simple (stupid) is the saying and works flawlessly.

If you're strapped for resources don't run caltrops and if you're still having issues 5000 health 487 regen is also fine to run.
I've completed Stam DK with 22k STAM (for LOLS) "no food" and still scored 500k +

I'd swap into NMG which you already mentioned and place on veli keeping the daggers.

No other sets are required. This I promise you.

Luke

thanks for the reply! i think i will use that advice and try, and then try spriggan over agility to see what can i accomplish.

Maybe i should worry least on the set and more on the practice. But i feel that since VO its the big star on VMA there is no room to see other options for people that cant get a decent trial run in the meantime.

Kay1

I'm on the Leaderboard and Flawless on all characters since March-June 2016 using Hundings, Spriggan and Veli for Stamina and BSW, Valkyn, Moondancer for Magicka so I guess any build works it's just practice and skill.

A friend of mine was using Twice Fanged Serpent, Agility, Kraghs and Maelstrom Daggers and he got it done in 34 minutes so I guess you should try that build also.