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Damage shields should not be stackable
Mephisto939
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Damage shield stacking are the equivalent of god mode for Sorcs This class already has the best damage, and with shield stacking more survivability than heavy armor. Can someone explain how this is balanced?
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RavenRoxie✭✭✭✭It is true. I have recently started playing a mag sorc and have decided it will be my main. Simply because, it is the only character I have ever had that made me feel like this, all the time, in Cyrodiil.
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »Damage shield stacking are the equivalent of god mode for Sorcs This class already has the best damage, and with shield stacking more survivability than heavy armor. Can someone explain how this is balanced?
It was possible to stack shield once, with the 20 second duration, but with 6? not really. It was a good change, they were op, now not anymore.6 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.PC Master Race
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.
Be honest tho, they aren't as strong as hardened ward.4 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »Damage shield stacking are the equivalent of god mode for Sorcs This class already has the best damage, and with shield stacking more survivability than heavy armor. Can someone explain how this is balanced?
It was possible to stack shield once, with the 20 second duration, but with 6? not really. It was a good change, they were op, now not anymore.
I assure you it's still feasible.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
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Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.
Very true! I think shield stacking in general is OP. So easy to do: block cast healing ward then animation cancel Empowered Ward (Yeah I went with that morph) as I swap to my main bar, and I don't have to worry about a thing lol. What's this? You're bursty? Well it's a good thing vampirism is OP, and Healing Ward gets stronger the lower health I have mwahaha!
Playing magicka is truly easy mode with shield stacking.1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's not really, but neither is stacking 35K health on top of heavy armor 35K resists with excellent damage, major mending, vigor always up, rally, and perma-blocking.
That's about half of Cyrodiil right there, and some of them are Templars that can heal damage faster than you can dish it.
A Shield "stack" will last four second tops if it's back barred (which, you kind of have to). Underneath that is 20K of health which has zero armor resist that will last all of one or two good hits in this damage meta. Shields aren't critable, but they also have no resists on them, they're short duration, and they do not prevent roots, poisons, or CC's.
My guess is you haven't tried that.Edited by Minalan on March 9, 2017 10:35PM5 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.
Be honest tho, they aren't as strong as hardened ward.
In Cyro it's a tiny amount more. If they are stacking yeah they'll be harder to kill but they'll be doing less damage. No harm done. To have huge shields they'll be in light armor and rocking 10k physical res tops. Dead in 2s. Heavy armor sorcs aren't really any great threat.PC Master Race
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.
Be honest tho, they aren't as strong as hardened ward.
The shield strength isn't, there's no denying that, but Harness Magicka has the potential to give you more magic back then it took to cast it and Healing Ward comes with a heal. Hardened Ward is just bigger.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.
Be honest tho, they aren't as strong as hardened ward.
You can actually match hardened with the dampen Magicka morph that scales with light armor, and seven pieces of light.0 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭It's not really, but neither is stacking 35K health on top of heavy armor 35K resists with excellent damage, major mending, vigor always up, rally, and perma-blocking.
That's about half of Cyrodiil right there, and some of them are Templars that can heal damage faster than you can dish it..
There's no such build with "excellent damage".
Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!4 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Any class can stack multiple shields.
What is a bit different that you are encountering with magicka sorcs compared to other magicka classes is they have access to a large shield that scales based on their offensive stat pool (max magicka).
Healing ward, blazing shield and igneous shield are based on max health, not magicka. Dampen magic can get a bit larger, but it is still smaller than conjured ward.
.Edited by IcyDeadPeople on March 9, 2017 10:55PM2 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Any class can stack multiple shields.
What is different for magicka sorcs compared to other classes is they have access to a large shield that scales based on their offensive stat pool (max magicka).
Healing ward, blazing shield and igneous shield are based on max health.
Templars and DKs don't need to shield stack IMO. They're healing is OP enough.0 -
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✭Dunno, but my two cents is that shields should have a longer duration, But total shield value is equal to the highest shield value applied. This value can be augmented by the CP tree, a new character buff, and new set buffs.
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a new set bonus that increases damage absorbing effects by +4%
Major Blockade : Increases damage absorbing effects by 20%
Minor Blockade: Increases damage absorbing effects by 8%0 -
alexkdd99✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol and while they are spending 2 seconds of a 6 second shield, when are they supposed to be doing damage. I have not encountered much shield stacking since duration got nerfed. Stam has an incredibly op heal (vigor) and magicka has shields.
If used correctly both can be extremely effective. Shield stacking is a non issue now.4 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are these threads seasonal or what?
At this point you're beating a dead horse with a dead horse.5 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They should really put shields on a Major/Minor system. Major for Hardened Ward, Healing Ward, etc and Minor for enchant, Shielded Assault, Brawler, etc.1 -
RedJoker✭✭✭After the 6 second nerf, shield stacking sorcs aren't much of a problem anymore IMO. Heavy armor DKs are what scare me the most on the battlefield. And no, I don't them nerfed. They add to the excitement and challenge of the game.0 -
catalyst10e✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.
Be honest tho, they aren't as strong as hardened ward.
Harness may not be but in full light dampen (the other morph) is actually comparable to hardened ward.Edited by catalyst10e on March 10, 2017 12:21AM"Why settle for just stabbing your foes when you can roast them alive in a gout of arcane fire?"
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cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭catalyst10e wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Anyone can stack shields. Harness and healing ward. Stop hating on sorcs.
Be honest tho, they aren't as strong as hardened ward.
Harness may not be but in full light dampen (the other morph) is actually comparable to hardened ward.
While coating alot more though0 -
cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sorcs still shield stack. And it's easy as to play. I've been a sorc main for a very long time. I've beaten some pretty darn fantastic players in duels. And do pretty darn well in open world. It's easy. Since you have timed bursts, even if you're on your defensive bar you're still doing damage. You out on a healing ward and stack up so it'll pop.
I started using only hardened and healing ward, ands been fine. But there are times where that extra padding is stupid useful. And quite strong. I can sit there shield stacking while people wail on me, then backup arrives if I want to.
Sorc is easy to play and wicked effective. But many who play it will say otherwise because everyone wants to feel like they are the underdog. But c'mon...2 -
cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have stam and mag of every class. And magSorc is the easiest time to do really well in cyrodil and duels. Not to say they are braindead easy. Or that bad players can pick them up and be AMAZING. But when you get the burst combo's down pat....0 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mag sorcs and mag templars are the most pathetic players in Cyrodiil.
They all play the EXACT same its so boring now. Once you know how to kill one though youll be able to kill them all.0 -
gibous✭✭✭✭Remove the stacking of shields and just double the value of hardened ward. That will remove the need for using 2 global cooldowns, reduce the magicka cost of active defense, and will free up a skill slot. Terrific idea!Reddington James — Magsorc & Magplar (NA PC)2
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✭I was waiting for another nerf sorc thread. And nooooooooooow I need a new liver.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just imagine the shields along with Pirate Skelly and Minor Maim...
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