Did they fix the AP farm from trading Keeps/Outposts/Resources?

Vaoh

From patch 2.7.9:

NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES

Campaign Changes

The Cyrodiil performance test with Champion Point removal and double AP gains has concluded. Thanks to everyone for your participation! We have implemented the following changes:
• Keep capture values are back to 6000 AP per capture.
• Resources, Towns and Districts are back to 1500 AP per capture.
• Outposts now grant 3000 AP per capture instead of 6000 AP per capture.
• Player kills and healing values have returned to their normal modifiers.
• Quest AP rewards will remain doubled.

Has ZOS solved the Keep/Outpost/Resource trading issue? I don't see in the patch notes anything like it in the Campaign section.... it seemed apparent that a cooldown or similar feature would be implemented to highly discourage and easily stop it.

Did I miss something? Maybe I missed the change and somehow players won't have the incentive to farm AP this way anymore.

JamieAubrey

You can still do it just not 12k per tick now

OutLaw_Nynx

Weren't you boosting last night in Bleakers? Could of sworn I saw you..

Vaoh

JamieAubrey wrote: »

You can still do it just not 12k per tick now

I thought ZOS said they would fix it though -_-

Vaoh

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Weren't you boosting last night in Bleakers? Could of sworn I saw you..

Probably. You saw me along with half of my faction xD

I made use of the last day of the double AP event in Bleaker's/Sejanus to hit a certain AvA rank, but I didn't even get close. Real PvP on Scourge was too much fun that week and it was much easier to play as a solo player too.

I think I remember seeing you as well. There were so many people it's difficult to recall seeing many of them. Practically every single big name on the server was there which was not really surprising though.

UrQuan

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Weren't you boosting last night in Bleakers? Could of sworn I saw you..

I've never been clear on what counts as "boosting". Can somebody with more PVP experience explain it to me?

Edit: also, I managed to gain 6 AVA ranks last week on my main, going from Tyro Grade 1 to Corporal Grade 1 - I'm pretty sure everything I was doing was legitimate AVA fighting, but without knowing exactly what "boosting" is, I guess I can't be sure.

OutLaw_Nynx

I was curious as to what the big deal was. I usually play in Scourge. And anyone that got a high rank from this to me isn't a real pvp player. Imagine the outrage there would be if pvp could cheese DD Destroyer lol. I don't see anyone but the people I know that legit beat HM with it.

I laughed when that blue repaired the wall at bleakers and ruins that boosting party lol

Vaoh

UrQuan wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Weren't you boosting last night in Bleakers? Could of sworn I saw you..

I've never been clear on what counts as "boosting". Can somebody with more PVP experience explain it to me?

Boosting is when you level up (in this case AvA ranks) in a way that is illegitimate but often very efficient.

In the past, people would boost their Alliance Rank by farming groups of their friends, who gave full AP on kill each time. The cooldown on gaining full AP from each individual kill was added to stop this, and it did. Same goes for a lot of the cheesier mechanics that people used in the past in order to level up much quicker.

Right now the current method to boost was with trading Keeps/Outposts and such. ZOS said they would change this (likely with a cooldown added to full AP gained on capture) but it doesn't seem they did according to the patch notes.

psychotic13

Well it says they give 3k ap now instead of 6k, and double ap is up right? So it now takes 4 times as long to get the same tick as before hand

UrQuan

Vaoh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Weren't you boosting last night in Bleakers? Could of sworn I saw you..

I've never been clear on what counts as "boosting". Can somebody with more PVP experience explain it to me?

Boosting is when you level up (in this case AvA ranks) in a way that is illegitimate but often very efficient.

In the past, people would boost their Alliance Rank by farming groups of their friends, who gave full AP on kill each time. The cooldown on gaining full AP from each individual kill was added to stop this, and it did. Same goes for a lot of the cheesier mechanics that people used in the past in order to level up much quicker.

Right now the current method to boost was with trading Keeps/Outposts and such. ZOS said they would change this (likely with a cooldown added to full AP gained on capture) but it doesn't seem they did according to the patch notes.

Ah, OK. In that case I definitely wasn't boosting over the last week, as I was fighting hard to take resources/outposts/keeps as well as fighting hard to keep resources/outposts/keeps. I wasn't involved in any trading...

Vaoh

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

I was curious as to what the big deal was. I usually play in Scourge. And anyone that got a high rank from this to me isn't a real pvp player. Imagine the outrage there would be if pvp could cheese DD Destroyer lol. I don't see anyone but the people I know that legit beat HM with it.

I laughed when that blue repaired the wall at bleakers and ruins that boosting party lol

Well tbh if we count AP farming (which can be done a number of cheesy ways via PvDoor) as "cheating", then selling Dromathra Skins is worse imo. You can skip literally everything, including the enormous skill requirement to beat vMoL, by getting carried in a process that takes about 10 minutes.

At least that's how I see it. Neither seem cheating though to me. Cheating is a different matter altogether, like duplicating items, killing a mob that repeatedly grants 1M gold, hacking the game, etc.

As the people that bombed DC in the name of stopping the AP farm... they had nearly all been recognized as people who were AFK inside the outpost farming AP prior xD it was an interesting situation lol

BigBragg

@UrQuan Boosting is the trading of keeps, outposts, or resources with member(s) of an opposing faction without fighting. The sole purpose being to maximize AP gains with minimal to no conflict. It can be repeated very quickly in an effort to boost said gains.

I think most of the issue is that it breaks the spirit of the game and cheapens the hard work others have put in.

Vaoh

psychotic13 wrote: »

Well it says they give 3k ap now instead of 6k, and double ap is up right? So it now takes 4 times as long to get the same tick as before hand

It'll take twice as long, but I had hoped this was something that would be only for the duration of the event. Something like this is not cheating but definitely requires a cooldown or similar mechanic added to stop AP farming in this manner or people will do this all day and everyday.

I know I've seen statements from ZOS confirming they were aware of this type of behavior and that they even anticipated it. I just can't understand why it was left alone. Legitimately thought I had missed something obvious in the patch notes but it seems not.

DHale

People have farmed ap for three years anyone can do it.

Vaoh

DHale wrote: »

People have farmed ap for three years anyone can do it.

Yep. This method (like all the others) should be patched immediately though.

If people are going to farm AP in cheesy ways it shouldn't be while AFK. It doesn't bother me that it happened for a single week but this should not be left in the game especially when it can be so easily patched.

UrQuan

BigBragg wrote: »

@UrQuan Boosting is the trading of keeps, outposts, or resources with member(s) of an opposing faction without fighting. The sole purpose being to maximize AP gains with minimal to no conflict. It can be repeated very quickly in an effort to boost said gains.

I think most of the issue is that it breaks the spirit of the game and cheapens the hard work others have put in.

Yeah, I'd say that's cheesy and bad.

I guess people do that kind of thing purely for the "rewards" of increasing their Alliance War skill lines, getting skill points for gaining ranks, getting AP to buy things with, and maybe to cheese campaign rankings. Which, fine, I can see the appeal of getting those things quickly and with little effort but...

I mean how can that be fun? How can you keep doing something like that over and over? It sounds mind-numbingly boring to me, and considering I'm just coming off a week of actually having a really good time fighting in Cyrodiil, I'd definitely rather get my AP by doing it the right way and actually PVPing.

BigBragg

UrQuan wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

@UrQuan Boosting is the trading of keeps, outposts, or resources with member(s) of an opposing faction without fighting. The sole purpose being to maximize AP gains with minimal to no conflict. It can be repeated very quickly in an effort to boost said gains.

I think most of the issue is that it breaks the spirit of the game and cheapens the hard work others have put in.

Yeah, I'd say that's cheesy and bad.

I guess people do that kind of thing purely for the "rewards" of increasing their Alliance War skill lines, getting skill points for gaining ranks, getting AP to buy things with, and maybe to cheese campaign rankings. Which, fine, I can see the appeal of getting those things quickly and with little effort but...

I mean how can that be fun? How can you keep doing something like that over and over? It sounds mind-numbingly boring to me, and considering I'm just coming off a week of actually having a really good time fighting in Cyrodiil, I'd definitely rather get my AP by doing it the right way and actually PVPing.

There are grinders and there are players... some want to have the best while others strive to be the best.

Anhedonie

Vaoh wrote: »

In the past, people would boost their Alliance Rank by farming groups of their friends, who gave full AP on kill each time. The cooldown on gaining full AP from each individual kill was added to stop this, and it did. Same goes for a lot of the cheesier mechanics that people used in the past in order to level up much quicker.

That part cracked me up, lol
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