Any self healing for stamblade?

Shroom

Koensol wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Two words. BLOOD THIRST. Healing while damage. Literally the first skill in dual wield will keep you alive like nothing else. No need to get vigor, it is really that strong.

This. Combined with rally and blood craze, this will give you crazy sustain. Slap on some %healing received bonusses from CP and you are golden.

I can't seem to find rally and blood raze? Where is it?

kyle.wilson

Shroom wrote: »

Hey, so I'm an assassination stamblade but find I die a lot because I don't have any self heals. I was wondering if there's any self-heal abilities that I have? Thanks!

I really hope you didn't miss out on the double ap to unlock vigor.

bowmanz607

Shroom wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Two words. BLOOD THIRST. Healing while damage. Literally the first skill in dual wield will keep you alive like nothing else. No need to get vigor, it is really that strong.

This. Combined with rally and blood craze, this will give you crazy sustain. Slap on some %healing received bonusses from CP and you are golden.

I can't seem to find rally and blood raze? Where is it?

rally is morph of last 2 hand ability. bloodcraze is the morph of the dot in dw

Lord_Eomer

1. vigor
2. Rally (2h)
3. Flury Morph, Blood Thirst (dual wield)

Koensol

Shroom wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Two words. BLOOD THIRST. Healing while damage. Literally the first skill in dual wield will keep you alive like nothing else. No need to get vigor, it is really that strong.

This. Combined with rally and blood craze, this will give you crazy sustain. Slap on some %healing received bonusses from CP and you are golden.

I can't seem to find rally and blood raze? Where is it?

Rally is the morph of momentum, from 2h skill tree. Blood craze is the morph of twin slashes (dw skill line). Bloodthirst is the morph of flurry.

Ep1kMalware

Shroom wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Shroom wrote: »

Hey, so I'm an assassination stamblade but find I die a lot because I don't have any self heals. I was wondering if there's any self-heal abilities that I have? Thanks!

Uhm. Soul tether, vigor, rally, blood craze, rend, bloodlust,.. bow has one. Seriously dude you could have just hit pause. >.>

Are those all morphs?

Some of them, many of the morphs are just a variation of the base skill. Both soul tether and rend are ultimates.

ArchMikem

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Vigor
Rally
reapers mark
Killers blade
Blood craze
Blood thirst

Vigor and Bloodthirst are my main heals during a fight.

Also, Lacerate, the Dual Wield Ultimate. The Healing it does overtime is beautiful.

Sneaky-Snurr

Talking strictly about class healing skills;
As a MagBlade:

• Strife and its morphs (PvP and PvE)
• Sap Essence (more towards PvE than PvP)
• Refreshing Path (PvP and PvE)
• Mark Target (more towards PvE than PvP; extremely situational)

As a Stamblade:

• Leeching Strikes (PvP and PvE)
• Killer's Blade (more towards PvE than PvP; situational in PvP context especially when the target is blocking)

See, there's not a lot going on for StamBlade given that they are more focused solely on high-burst-damage for assassination (duh!). That said, Stamblades can rely on other skill lines for healing such as Vigour, Rally, Blood Craze and Bloodthirst. Those are a few skills that are reliable and independent of gearsets. Playstyle is another factor for the efficacy of healing skills.

Playstyles:
Utilise on those skills with what suits your playstyle best. If you are more of a full-fledged, in-your-face kind of player, then Bloodthirst is necessary but do not solely rely on that skill alone as the heals provided are puny compared to other mentioned ones.
For sustained fights, it is best to use Blood Craze and/or Rally. I can't tell you how much I LOVE Blood Craze as a means of getting heals whilst also putting pressure on the opponent to divide their attention between cautiously watching their health constantly and focusing on the actual fight.
Of course there are countless variations and sub-variations in playstyles but I'm just putting out the common ones as a basic idea.

Talking points:
To add to the points, Vigour should ALWAYS be your primary healing skill as a stamina user. Trust me there are no other better healing skills for stamina builds. The purpose of other healing skills I've mentioned previously are to provide additional increments of sustain especially in big fights.

Also, you only need so much heals in most fights as it is more efficient to reduce incoming damages through eradicating the number of opponents actively attacking you than to always heal yourself while dealing damage (in this regard, you're the one dividing your attention between HP and damage).
My advice to you dear OP, is to stack DoTs on top of dealing upfront damage to your opponents but have one or 2 self-heals for complete independence. Understanding this concept will serve you well in solo PvP and PvE.

starkerealm

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am already using a Hybrid build focused on Stamina and some points in Magicka, 5p heavy and 2p light, mixed with NB Siphoning skills and DW heals. Works pretty good for me.

I'm honestly kinda curious what level you are, if you're still using a hybrid build. There is a place for those, but, it's one of those things where you're taking a much larger penalty than you may realize for your utility.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Vigour

Don't listen to the ppl saying it's not good, it's essential. So go Pvp and get vigour.
It doesn't pigeon hole you into a skill line either - e.g. Rally for 2H - btw if you intent to be DPS in vet dungeons etc, 2H is not the way forward.

Seraphayel

starkerealm wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am already using a Hybrid build focused on Stamina and some points in Magicka, 5p heavy and 2p light, mixed with NB Siphoning skills and DW heals. Works pretty good for me.

I'm honestly kinda curious what level you are, if you're still using a hybrid build. There is a place for those, but, it's one of those things where you're taking a much larger penalty than you may realize for your utility.

Solo PvE level 50. And to be honest I couldn't care less for players that don't like those builds. I am playing on console and I am not doing trials so in the end nobody will ever know if it's good or bad. I don't like meta builds. I will never play a meta build that 99% of the playerbase use. I might be worse than them but in the end I am not them, no carbon copy.

So as long as it works for me I'll be using it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I just need to figure it out.

(after reading my post again I realized that it sounds a bit harsh, but it's not meant to be - nothing against you!)

Savage_Audacity

Stam based heals:
•Vigor (best heal over time)
•killers blade & Reapers mark (instant heal when u kill enemies)
•Rally (Heal over time in 2H)
•Blood craze (Heal over time in dual wield)
•Rend (Huge heal ultimate in dual wield)
•Blood thirst (Burst heal in dual wield)

Edziu

to everyone writing reapers mark and killers blade..stop just stop please!

what if it is boss figh or just 1vs1? heal from it will be useless when you need to kill your target to heal with it, it willl work only on trash or adds or in 1vX or zerg vs zerg

Didaco

Shadowy Disguise + Rally.

Actually a damn good healing burst, if they didn't nerf it already.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Edziu wrote: »

to everyone writing reapers mark and killers blade..stop just stop please!

what if it is boss figh or just 1vs1? heal from it will be useless when you need to kill your target to heal with it, it willl work only on trash or adds or in 1vX or zerg vs zerg

While a good point, there is not a whole lot of info in the op about what exactly they are having problems with. And i have seen many stamblades post that they do ok 1v1 but have problems staying alive with multiple targets. Something those skills are good for. Id also point out that lots of boss fights come with adds, which those skills are good for.

But either way, most the people pointing to those skills are also pointing out the limitations to them.

kylewwefan

Leeching strikes is your only real class skill for heals on a StamBlade, BUT it reduces weapon power 20% and it's a toggle, so has to be on both bars. That's quite a lot of damage to lose, but it does add a good bit to your sustain and survivability. Also have to do more light/heavy attacks.

Funnel and sap will be insignificant on stamina toon.

Vigor heals very good, but have to PvP.

If you put a good amount of champion points into quick recovery leeching could work well.

Vash747

Strife and morphs are decent, that damage they cause is reduced because your stamina but you still get the 25% damage caused gives you health. I use it on my low levels at least whip leveling until I get a better feel for the characters.

Toast_STS

blood altar

Skinzz

Kinda crazy how everyone is telling him to use something else besides rally and vigor. You're gonna need at least vigor if you're gonna do anything relevant in the game.

bowmanz607

Haha leeching strikes is trash..I suggest no one use it ever. Even as a tank siphoning attacks is superior. I'd don't remember a single.point since launch in which it was ever useful.

Haha...

Oh...

Leeching strikes...

Good one

bowmanz607

Edziu wrote: »

to everyone writing reapers mark and killers blade..stop just stop please!

what if it is boss figh or just 1vs1? heal from it will be useless when you need to kill your target to heal with it, it willl work only on trash or adds or in 1vX or zerg vs zerg

Although I agree that they do not have a place as a hel.in 1v1 or boss fights, that does not mean they are a viable option to use in other situations. You know, the majority of situations you will find yourself in game especially when talking about pvp. Even if your in a 1v1 in pvp you can't count on it to remain that way by any means and getting that quick heal helps.

Tommy_The_Gun

There are some ways to heal as stamina NB... none of them are as effective as magicka healing though
NB class skills:
1. Reaping Mark - if target dies you heal for 57% of your Max Health.
2. Killer's Blade - Heals you for 17% Max Heath if the target dies within 2 seconds (finisher).
Other skills:
4. Vigor - Alliance war assault skill.
5. Momentum - Two-Handed Skill
6. Draining Shot (Bow Scatter Shot morph) - it heals.. but it is useless...

Other:
- If you have CP you can put points to unlock Critical Leech (75 points in "The Lady") - Restore 379 Health when you hit with a direct damage Critical Strike. This can only occur once every 5 seconds.
- Craft Vampire's Kiss medium armour http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Vampire's+Kiss+Set
When you kill an enemy, you heal for 5160 Health over 6 seconds. - I was able to solo some group dungeons using this armour

btw. I find that the best way to survive as NB is just to boost your stamina recovery, so you can dodge literary 99% of incoming dmg (at least in PvE).
I have a argonian NB. I used to play magicka build and it was just.. boring.. just spam "Sap Essence" and nothing could kill me (at least in PvE). I re-rolled to stamina... and I think I like this play-style now...

kylewwefan

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Haha leeching strikes is trash..I suggest no one use it ever. Even as a tank siphoning attacks is superior. I'd don't remember a single.point since launch in which it was ever useful.

Haha...

Oh...

Leeching strikes...

Good one

Yeah, it's pretty bad. LOL! It's the exact opposite of stamsorc critsurge. But it's StamBlade only viable class heals. I guess you can offset the damage reduction with power extraction.....thinking way way outside the box basically to make something work. Kind of.

Vigor vigor vigor. FTW.

TheShadowScout

I like to run a set of Baharas Curse on my stamblade. Just keep them in the cursed ground, and the heals come in nicely... especially when fighting multiple opponents... combined with Blood Craze it keeps me alive through a lot...

max_only

A set like vampire's kiss? I think that's the name. You make it in Alikr.

Koensol

max_only wrote: »

A set like vampire's kiss? I think that's the name. You make it in Alikr.

Vampire's kiss is really nice for mob farming and solo questing, but not useful in endgame. I use it on my solo character and I love it on that one.

TheRealPotoroo

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

To add to the points, Vigour should ALWAYS be your primary healing skill as a stamina user. Trust me there are no other better healing skills for stamina builds. The purpose of other healing skills I've mentioned previously are to provide additional increments of sustain especially in big fights.

But PvP.

I gritted my teeth and tried to use the double AP event to get Vigor with least pain but I only got to rank 3.5 before giving up in loathing and disgust. It was just hideous. Nobody should ever be forced to go through that just to get an otherwise useful skill.

bowmanz607

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

To add to the points, Vigour should ALWAYS be your primary healing skill as a stamina user. Trust me there are no other better healing skills for stamina builds. The purpose of other healing skills I've mentioned previously are to provide additional increments of sustain especially in big fights.

But PvP.

I gritted my teeth and tried to use the double AP event to get Vigor with least pain but I only got to rank 3.5 before giving up in loathing and disgust. It was just hideous. Nobody should ever be forced to go through that just to get an otherwise useful skill.

i have to pve to pvp.

you have to work at getting skills. That is just how it goes. Besides, it is SOOOOOOOOOOO easy to get vigor. Increased ap and easier to level up assault and support lines than it used to be.

TheRealPotoroo

bowmanz607 wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

To add to the points, Vigour should ALWAYS be your primary healing skill as a stamina user. Trust me there are no other better healing skills for stamina builds. The purpose of other healing skills I've mentioned previously are to provide additional increments of sustain especially in big fights.

But PvP.

I gritted my teeth and tried to use the double AP event to get Vigor with least pain but I only got to rank 3.5 before giving up in loathing and disgust. It was just hideous. Nobody should ever be forced to go through that just to get an otherwise useful skill.

i have to pve to pvp.

you have to work at getting skills. That is just how it goes.

I didn't complain about having to work to get a skill. I complained about being forced to PvP.

Besides, it is SOOOOOOOOOOO easy to get vigor. Increased ap and easier to level up assault and support lines than it used to be.

You are really not paying attention.

SHADOW2KK

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

To add to the points, Vigour should ALWAYS be your primary healing skill as a stamina user. Trust me there are no other better healing skills for stamina builds. The purpose of other healing skills I've mentioned previously are to provide additional increments of sustain especially in big fights.

But PvP.

I gritted my teeth and tried to use the double AP event to get Vigor with least pain but I only got to rank 3.5 before giving up in loathing and disgust. It was just hideous. Nobody should ever be forced to go through that just to get an otherwise useful skill.

i have to pve to pvp.

you have to work at getting skills. That is just how it goes.

I didn't complain about having to work to get a skill. I complained about being forced to PvP.

Besides, it is SOOOOOOOOOOO easy to get vigor. Increased ap and easier to level up assault and support lines than it used to be.

You are really not paying attention.

And yet we are forced to PvE to get Undaunted passives, or grind sets.

To get Vigor is laughably easy, you would have loved getting it back in the old days when Vigor was unlocked at Level 10 Alliance War skills.

Zeni has bent over backwards to help PvEers get Vigor/Prox det etc way way more early, increased AP, double AP just last week.

And yet people still whine

/facepalm