Things that break cloak

Lord-Otto

H4RDFOX wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to the people saying Cloak is a NB's primary defense,
Play a week without Cloak (use Mist, maybe).
Play a week without heals of any kind.

Somewhere on the road, your views on NBs became twisted, as you've been given so much. Now that you took an indirect nerf for a change, I think people just have to re-learn their class.
Cloak is equal to Streak and Wings. Heals to shields. I can't force you to realize this, can just tell you.
NBs, the ASSASSIN class, still oneshots from stealth. You still get what you signed up for. Capitalize on it.
Pressure and mobility are still unholy on stamblades. Just force enemy into defense (easy) and LoS then. You will be able to cloak, and even if it gets broken, use your speed to get distance and more LoS. You WILL be able to escape from magicka classes and slower stam classes.

This is all the advice I can give you. Take it or pour salt on your potatoes, I don't care. NBs are not broken, good NBs are still strong.

I would like to know which builds you are referencing here. I will admit that certain NB builds do well with their abilities, and adapt to changes, but the discussion is on cloak, and the numerous ways it can be broken, which I believe I am accurate in saying that it shouldn't. Some of those good builds rely on HA, and most specifically Kena build HA CA/spinners. I think most Magblades would like to run LA and have their cloak work 100% of the time.

I bet, because it would mean cloak->buff->bomb->cloak away, for free 16k AP without any effort other than the gear.
Too bad you gotta be better than that. Streak has limitations, as have Wings. Cloak should, too.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

H4RDFOX wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to the people saying Cloak is a NB's primary defense,
Play a week without Cloak (use Mist, maybe).
Play a week without heals of any kind.

Somewhere on the road, your views on NBs became twisted, as you've been given so much. Now that you took an indirect nerf for a change, I think people just have to re-learn their class.
Cloak is equal to Streak and Wings. Heals to shields. I can't force you to realize this, can just tell you.
NBs, the ASSASSIN class, still oneshots from stealth. You still get what you signed up for. Capitalize on it.
Pressure and mobility are still unholy on stamblades. Just force enemy into defense (easy) and LoS then. You will be able to cloak, and even if it gets broken, use your speed to get distance and more LoS. You WILL be able to escape from magicka classes and slower stam classes.

This is all the advice I can give you. Take it or pour salt on your potatoes, I don't care. NBs are not broken, good NBs are still strong.

I would like to know which builds you are referencing here. I will admit that certain NB builds do well with their abilities, and adapt to changes, but the discussion is on cloak, and the numerous ways it can be broken, which I believe I am accurate in saying that it shouldn't. Some of those good builds rely on HA, and most specifically Kena build HA CA/spinners. I think most Magblades would like to run LA and have their cloak work 100% of the time.

I bet, because it would mean cloak->buff->bomb->cloak away, for free 16k AP without any effort other than the gear.
Too bad you gotta be better than that. Streak has limitations, as have Wings. Cloak should, too.

So you are saying keep cloak in a bad state and have it not work as intended because a few nightblades destro bomb? What about the ones who don't want to destro bomb. The thing about bombing and ganking is that you have to build for it. Alot of nightblades don't want to limit their build like that. ganking build are not very practical. They are bad builds honestly. Cloak already has limitations when it's working as intended. So when it's not working reliably it's pretty much useless unless you are ganking. They need to fix cloak. it should work 100℅ of the time if your opponent does not use the appropriate counter

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

H4RDFOX wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to the people saying Cloak is a NB's primary defense,
Play a week without Cloak (use Mist, maybe).
Play a week without heals of any kind.

Somewhere on the road, your views on NBs became twisted, as you've been given so much. Now that you took an indirect nerf for a change, I think people just have to re-learn their class.
Cloak is equal to Streak and Wings. Heals to shields. I can't force you to realize this, can just tell you.
NBs, the ASSASSIN class, still oneshots from stealth. You still get what you signed up for. Capitalize on it.
Pressure and mobility are still unholy on stamblades. Just force enemy into defense (easy) and LoS then. You will be able to cloak, and even if it gets broken, use your speed to get distance and more LoS. You WILL be able to escape from magicka classes and slower stam classes.

This is all the advice I can give you. Take it or pour salt on your potatoes, I don't care. NBs are not broken, good NBs are still strong.

I would like to know which builds you are referencing here. I will admit that certain NB builds do well with their abilities, and adapt to changes, but the discussion is on cloak, and the numerous ways it can be broken, which I believe I am accurate in saying that it shouldn't. Some of those good builds rely on HA, and most specifically Kena build HA CA/spinners. I think most Magblades would like to run LA and have their cloak work 100% of the time.

I bet, because it would mean cloak->buff->bomb->cloak away, for free 16k AP without any effort other than the gear.
Too bad you gotta be better than that. Streak has limitations, as have Wings. Cloak should, too.

So you are saying keep cloak in a bad state and have it not work as intended because a few nightblades destro bomb? What about the ones who don't want to destro bomb. The thing about bombing and ganking is that you have to build for it. Alot of nightblades don't want to limit their build like that. ganking build are not very practical. They are bad builds honestly. Cloak already has limitations when it's working as intended. So when it's not working reliably it's pretty much useless unless you are ganking. They need to fix cloak. it should work 100℅ of the time if your opponent does not use the appropriate counter

The ones that don't want to bomb, go sorc (me included). Am I lamenting how my magsorc isn't good at melee? You made a choice in character creation screen, and this is the consequence.
Magblade should be viable in duels. It is, with HA. Sorc is not, it needs light. That's balance there.
Streak has counters in open group fight. So has Cloak. Fair.
Magblades suffer in open group fight, but that bomb can win a keep. If you want open group fight, go sorc. Or temp. Or DK. Your choice.

Lemme make that clear.
If you want Cloak to reliably get you out of any fight you picked, I want Streak to get me away from gapclosers and zergs reliably.

thankyourat

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

H4RDFOX wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to the people saying Cloak is a NB's primary defense,
Play a week without Cloak (use Mist, maybe).
Play a week without heals of any kind.

Somewhere on the road, your views on NBs became twisted, as you've been given so much. Now that you took an indirect nerf for a change, I think people just have to re-learn their class.
Cloak is equal to Streak and Wings. Heals to shields. I can't force you to realize this, can just tell you.
NBs, the ASSASSIN class, still oneshots from stealth. You still get what you signed up for. Capitalize on it.
Pressure and mobility are still unholy on stamblades. Just force enemy into defense (easy) and LoS then. You will be able to cloak, and even if it gets broken, use your speed to get distance and more LoS. You WILL be able to escape from magicka classes and slower stam classes.

This is all the advice I can give you. Take it or pour salt on your potatoes, I don't care. NBs are not broken, good NBs are still strong.

I would like to know which builds you are referencing here. I will admit that certain NB builds do well with their abilities, and adapt to changes, but the discussion is on cloak, and the numerous ways it can be broken, which I believe I am accurate in saying that it shouldn't. Some of those good builds rely on HA, and most specifically Kena build HA CA/spinners. I think most Magblades would like to run LA and have their cloak work 100% of the time.

I bet, because it would mean cloak->buff->bomb->cloak away, for free 16k AP without any effort other than the gear.
Too bad you gotta be better than that. Streak has limitations, as have Wings. Cloak should, too.

So you are saying keep cloak in a bad state and have it not work as intended because a few nightblades destro bomb? What about the ones who don't want to destro bomb. The thing about bombing and ganking is that you have to build for it. Alot of nightblades don't want to limit their build like that. ganking build are not very practical. They are bad builds honestly. Cloak already has limitations when it's working as intended. So when it's not working reliably it's pretty much useless unless you are ganking. They need to fix cloak. it should work 100℅ of the time if your opponent does not use the appropriate counter

The ones that don't want to bomb, go sorc (me included). Am I lamenting how my magsorc isn't good at melee? You made a choice in character creation screen, and this is the consequence.
Magblade should be viable in duels. It is, with HA. Sorc is not, it needs light. That's balance there.
Streak has counters in open group fight. So has Cloak. Fair.
Magblades suffer in open group fight, but that bomb can win a keep. If you want open group fight, go sorc. Or temp. Or DK. Your choice.

Lemme make that clear.
If you want Cloak to reliably get you out of any fight you picked, I want Streak to get me away from gapclosers and zergs reliably.

I don't want cloak to get me out of any fight. If someone has the appropriate counter I expect to be countered. what I don't like is when I'm randomly brought out of cloak by a skill that shouldn't break cloak like reflective light or entropy. I actually created my mag sorc because I was mad that my magblade kept getting worse and worse patch after patch. Also mag sorc doesn't need to disengage as much as a magblade so cloak should be a better escape tool.

arkansas_ESO

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

H4RDFOX wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to the people saying Cloak is a NB's primary defense,
Play a week without Cloak (use Mist, maybe).
Play a week without heals of any kind.

Somewhere on the road, your views on NBs became twisted, as you've been given so much. Now that you took an indirect nerf for a change, I think people just have to re-learn their class.
Cloak is equal to Streak and Wings. Heals to shields. I can't force you to realize this, can just tell you.
NBs, the ASSASSIN class, still oneshots from stealth. You still get what you signed up for. Capitalize on it.
Pressure and mobility are still unholy on stamblades. Just force enemy into defense (easy) and LoS then. You will be able to cloak, and even if it gets broken, use your speed to get distance and more LoS. You WILL be able to escape from magicka classes and slower stam classes.

This is all the advice I can give you. Take it or pour salt on your potatoes, I don't care. NBs are not broken, good NBs are still strong.

I would like to know which builds you are referencing here. I will admit that certain NB builds do well with their abilities, and adapt to changes, but the discussion is on cloak, and the numerous ways it can be broken, which I believe I am accurate in saying that it shouldn't. Some of those good builds rely on HA, and most specifically Kena build HA CA/spinners. I think most Magblades would like to run LA and have their cloak work 100% of the time.

I bet, because it would mean cloak->buff->bomb->cloak away, for free 16k AP without any effort other than the gear.
Too bad you gotta be better than that. Streak has limitations, as have Wings. Cloak should, too.

So you are saying keep cloak in a bad state and have it not work as intended because a few nightblades destro bomb? What about the ones who don't want to destro bomb. The thing about bombing and ganking is that you have to build for it. Alot of nightblades don't want to limit their build like that. ganking build are not very practical. They are bad builds honestly. Cloak already has limitations when it's working as intended. So when it's not working reliably it's pretty much useless unless you are ganking. They need to fix cloak. it should work 100℅ of the time if your opponent does not use the appropriate counter

The ones that don't want to bomb, go sorc (me included). Am I lamenting how my magsorc isn't good at melee? You made a choice in character creation screen, and this is the consequence.
Magblade should be viable in duels. It is, with HA. Sorc is not, it needs light. That's balance there.
Streak has counters in open group fight. So has Cloak. Fair.
Magblades suffer in open group fight, but that bomb can win a keep. If you want open group fight, go sorc. Or temp. Or DK. Your choice.

Lemme make that clear.
If you want Cloak to reliably get you out of any fight you picked, I want Streak to get me away from gapclosers and zergs reliably.

So you chose the SUMMONER class and think you should be able to fight in the open? No, you're meant to hide behind your mines while your clannfear does all the work. You made a choice in character selection, and this is the consequence.

/sarcasm

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

H4RDFOX wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to the people saying Cloak is a NB's primary defense,
Play a week without Cloak (use Mist, maybe).
Play a week without heals of any kind.

Somewhere on the road, your views on NBs became twisted, as you've been given so much. Now that you took an indirect nerf for a change, I think people just have to re-learn their class.
Cloak is equal to Streak and Wings. Heals to shields. I can't force you to realize this, can just tell you.
NBs, the ASSASSIN class, still oneshots from stealth. You still get what you signed up for. Capitalize on it.
Pressure and mobility are still unholy on stamblades. Just force enemy into defense (easy) and LoS then. You will be able to cloak, and even if it gets broken, use your speed to get distance and more LoS. You WILL be able to escape from magicka classes and slower stam classes.

This is all the advice I can give you. Take it or pour salt on your potatoes, I don't care. NBs are not broken, good NBs are still strong.

I would like to know which builds you are referencing here. I will admit that certain NB builds do well with their abilities, and adapt to changes, but the discussion is on cloak, and the numerous ways it can be broken, which I believe I am accurate in saying that it shouldn't. Some of those good builds rely on HA, and most specifically Kena build HA CA/spinners. I think most Magblades would like to run LA and have their cloak work 100% of the time.

I bet, because it would mean cloak->buff->bomb->cloak away, for free 16k AP without any effort other than the gear.
Too bad you gotta be better than that. Streak has limitations, as have Wings. Cloak should, too.

So you are saying keep cloak in a bad state and have it not work as intended because a few nightblades destro bomb? What about the ones who don't want to destro bomb. The thing about bombing and ganking is that you have to build for it. Alot of nightblades don't want to limit their build like that. ganking build are not very practical. They are bad builds honestly. Cloak already has limitations when it's working as intended. So when it's not working reliably it's pretty much useless unless you are ganking. They need to fix cloak. it should work 100℅ of the time if your opponent does not use the appropriate counter

The ones that don't want to bomb, go sorc (me included). Am I lamenting how my magsorc isn't good at melee? You made a choice in character creation screen, and this is the consequence.
Magblade should be viable in duels. It is, with HA. Sorc is not, it needs light. That's balance there.
Streak has counters in open group fight. So has Cloak. Fair.
Magblades suffer in open group fight, but that bomb can win a keep. If you want open group fight, go sorc. Or temp. Or DK. Your choice.

Lemme make that clear.
If you want Cloak to reliably get you out of any fight you picked, I want Streak to get me away from gapclosers and zergs reliably.

I don't want cloak to get me out of any fight. If someone has the appropriate counter I expect to be countered. what I don't like is when I'm randomly brought out of cloak by a skill that shouldn't break cloak like reflective light or entropy. I actually created my mag sorc because I was mad that my magblade kept getting worse and worse patch after patch. Also mag sorc doesn't need to disengage as much as a magblade so cloak should be a better escape tool.

That is a valid concern there, and I agree. Something like Poison Injection shouldn't bring you out of it.
It was my impression people here also want Curse to not break it and many other intended skills. It needs natural counters that come with a natural build. Curse is fair. Jabs is a strong counter, but it's close-range, guess that's fair, too. MagDKs notably have the worst counters unless you can root NBs down. They could really use something else.
That's what I mean. Cloak is extremely powerful, and you shouldn't hamper your build to keep it in check. I see Nightblades cloaking away from zergs all the time, where I just get smoked through Streak by gapclosers. =/


Arkansas, I don't understand?
I am using my mines. I bit the sour apple and accepted that the advertised mobility got gutted. In return, pets were made stronger and are now monstrous in duels and certain PvE activities.
Sorcs have receiced the second most redesigning, right after MagDKs. Nightblades have always fulfilled their roles and received nothing but buffs for that. Hell, they even had THREE DLCs made for them.
What's your point? When I jump onto my Magblade, I know I can't just stand there holding my ground, and I don't have to. Nightblades do what they do, and that since 1.6.

Kidz_BeAstx

@deepseamk20b14_ESO I took off cloak and put on trap beast, then I equipped heavy armor and a sword and board. I don't even bother using this useless ability anymore, and I can't do that in medium because everything is hitting for 10k, and in heavy everything is hitting for 4k.

Kidz_BeAstx

@deepseamk20b14_ESO This is not true at all. Nightblades can tank. I can get about 25k resistance when I buff up with 5 hundings rage, 5 viper, and 2 tremor scale. Just give into the corruption of broken sets and you will feel so much better. You wouldn't be complaining in the first place. I call my character the one-shot-wonder-man.

Killset

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

H4RDFOX wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to the people saying Cloak is a NB's primary defense,
Play a week without Cloak (use Mist, maybe).
Play a week without heals of any kind.

Somewhere on the road, your views on NBs became twisted, as you've been given so much. Now that you took an indirect nerf for a change, I think people just have to re-learn their class.
Cloak is equal to Streak and Wings. Heals to shields. I can't force you to realize this, can just tell you.
NBs, the ASSASSIN class, still oneshots from stealth. You still get what you signed up for. Capitalize on it.
Pressure and mobility are still unholy on stamblades. Just force enemy into defense (easy) and LoS then. You will be able to cloak, and even if it gets broken, use your speed to get distance and more LoS. You WILL be able to escape from magicka classes and slower stam classes.

This is all the advice I can give you. Take it or pour salt on your potatoes, I don't care. NBs are not broken, good NBs are still strong.

I would like to know which builds you are referencing here. I will admit that certain NB builds do well with their abilities, and adapt to changes, but the discussion is on cloak, and the numerous ways it can be broken, which I believe I am accurate in saying that it shouldn't. Some of those good builds rely on HA, and most specifically Kena build HA CA/spinners. I think most Magblades would like to run LA and have their cloak work 100% of the time.

I bet, because it would mean cloak->buff->bomb->cloak away, for free 16k AP without any effort other than the gear.
Too bad you gotta be better than that. Streak has limitations, as have Wings. Cloak should, too.

So you are saying keep cloak in a bad state and have it not work as intended because a few nightblades destro bomb? What about the ones who don't want to destro bomb. The thing about bombing and ganking is that you have to build for it. Alot of nightblades don't want to limit their build like that. ganking build are not very practical. They are bad builds honestly. Cloak already has limitations when it's working as intended. So when it's not working reliably it's pretty much useless unless you are ganking. They need to fix cloak. it should work 100℅ of the time if your opponent does not use the appropriate counter

The ones that don't want to bomb, go sorc (me included). Am I lamenting how my magsorc isn't good at melee? You made a choice in character creation screen, and this is the consequence.
Magblade should be viable in duels. It is, with HA. Sorc is not, it needs light. That's balance there.
Streak has counters in open group fight. So has Cloak. Fair.
Magblades suffer in open group fight, but that bomb can win a keep. If you want open group fight, go sorc. Or temp. Or DK. Your choice.

Lemme make that clear.
If you want Cloak to reliably get you out of any fight you picked, I want Streak to get me away from gapclosers and zergs reliably.

I think it is pretty clear you have a vested interest in keeping nightblades nerfed into oblivion since you never fail to chime in on a Nightblade balance thread. You say indirect nerf for a change?... I will rattle off some direct and indirect nerfs off the top of my head. Bear in mind indirect refers to stamina or magica (but arguably affects nightblades the most) in general and direct refers to class specific. Roll dodge, shuffle/mirage, cloak breaking when casting vigor, cloak no longer purging dots, ambush damage lowered, incap cost increased, vitality pots nerfed (hit open world stamblades hard because no form of mending) radiant mage light created, unchained passive, siphoning attacks no longer able to proc from caltrops, all the abilities and potions created specifically to detect stealthed players. I'm sure there are more that I am forgetting. It's been like a death from a thousand cuts for the nighblade class for a long time now. Each indirect nerf taken by itself has been survivable but now it is quickly approaching insurmountable when taken in their totality.

I don't think anyone is arguing for an ability to get us out of fights 100% of the time, but it should work PROPERLY 100% of the time at the very least. That would be a good start. If streak or sheilds didn't work while standing in any form of AOE, effected by a dot, someone popped an anti sheild/streak potion, someone used a skill that prevented you from sheilding, etc you would be understandably upset. I would argue the success rate of streak is vastly higher than cloak. Cloak is literally the only means for a nighblade to try and heal. I would say leave cloak exactly the way it is if it gave us major mending. I wouldn't care then.

I laugh when people try to say "LOS! Use speed and positioning!" Man why didn't i think of that!? You are virtually snared and rooted 90% of the time in PvP. What speed and mobility does a stamblade have, separate from hasty retreat, which is not available to everyone?

I have taken most of our nerfs in stride but it's getting harder and harder to shrug them off.

Lord-Otto

Yup, I am vastly against any more significant buffs to NBs since you've been reigning for a year straight. Experience showed that ZOS can't balance this class.
NBs just don't realize what perfect Cloak means, it's god mode. You don't even understand what your primary defense is. Just have fun streaking away from gapclose spam. You'll see what I mean.

chrisub17_ESO104

In most mmo's damage breaks stealth, and so do a lot of debuffs, as does using most abilities That's is the norm.

And for cloak to not be working as intended, well that would be one of the most glaring bugs in the game, given how many things do drop you out of cloak.

So the logical conclusion is that it is mostly working as intended.

The real question is should it be better. And you have to consider different build here also. Making cloak significantly better for stamblades could make magblades OP.

On my magblade I can't count the number of times I just suicide after our side loses a big fight, because I'm the last one standing and don't want to run back to a friendly keep. I can weave in and out of zergs, because I have the sustain to recast cloak a LOT when it breaks on damage. I don't have the burst stamblades do, but I'm not just an annoyance either. If most damage didn't break cloak, magblades would be terrorizing everyone.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yup, I am vastly against any more significant buffs to NBs since you've been reigning for a year straight. Experience showed that ZOS can't balance this class.
NBs just don't realize what perfect Cloak means, it's god mode. You don't even understand what your primary defense is. Just have fun streaking away from gapclose spam. You'll see what I mean.

Who are you

thankyourat

chrisub17_ESO104 wrote: »

In most mmo's damage breaks stealth, and so do a lot of debuffs, as does using most abilities That's is the norm.

And for cloak to not be working as intended, well that would be one of the most glaring bugs in the game, given how many things do drop you out of cloak.

So the logical conclusion is that it is mostly working as intended.

The real question is should it be better. And you have to consider different build here also. Making cloak significantly better for stamblades could make magblades OP.

On my magblade I can't count the number of times I just suicide after our side loses a big fight, because I'm the last one standing and don't want to run back to a friendly keep. I can weave in and out of zergs, because I have the sustain to recast cloak a LOT when it breaks on damage. I don't have the burst stamblades do, but I'm not just an annoyance either. If most damage didn't break cloak, magblades would be terrorizing everyone.

Being permanently invisible has never killed anyone though. It's honestly just trolling. It will only work if you outnumber your opponent. Cloak isn't working as intended in this game. Single target abilities are not suppose to break cloak, but sometimes they do. They need to fix it. If cloak worked it wouldn't make magblades op you would still have to set up your burst combo. If anything magblades would just be annoying honestly most are. Hitting you with wet noodle abilities and spamming roots and you can't focus them if you are solo because you are fighting multiple people and if you get close to them they cloak away. This isn't op just trolling lol

Lord-Otto

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yup, I am vastly against any more significant buffs to NBs since you've been reigning for a year straight. Experience showed that ZOS can't balance this class.
NBs just don't realize what perfect Cloak means, it's god mode. You don't even understand what your primary defense is. Just have fun streaking away from gapclose spam. You'll see what I mean.

Who are you

It would show some manners if you introduced yourself before asking other beings about their whereabouts.

Killset

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yup, I am vastly against any more significant buffs to NBs since you've been reigning for a year straight. Experience showed that ZOS can't balance this class.
NBs just don't realize what perfect Cloak means, it's god mode. You don't even understand what your primary defense is. Just have fun streaking away from gapclose spam. You'll see what I mean.

Aside from incap and relentless focus gaining stamina morphs (which could be argued was a nerf to magblades) what significant buffs are you referring to out of curiosity? Sorcs have dominated in this game for nearly as long as I can remember. The 6 second nerf to shields literally had 0 effect on good sorcs. In fact when annulment was changed to absorb physical damage it buffed them. The class was so strong it was making bad players good, good players great, and great players god like. After the change to shields, good and great players were just fine while bad players got exposed. Which were you?

Lord-Otto

I was the one who called out stamblades about their crying over "shield stacking" when Annulment didn't absorb physical.
I was the one pointing out how magicka had to split CP between elemental and magical stars, and how there was no physical mitigation.
I was the one lamenting about weapon damage stacking easier than spell damage, stamina weapon skill lines having better passives (especially sustain) and overall there being better stam sets.
But I'm sure MagSorcs always shot lightning from their butts and evaporated Oblivion. (^_-)

Vapirko

I like using inferno. One of my favorite pvp activities is getting into a fight with an evenly matched NB, and they use cloak and then I pop inferno and it turns into a hunt. Sometimes the fire ball shoots off behind me when it detects them and it becomes a crazy game of who can react faster.

Mayrael

Ive explained so many times why cloak gets broken but ofc NBs dont want it to work as intended, they want their purge morph because it was amazing to be nightplar. Cloak gets broken because of DELAY. ESO servers work well... You know... When you see that you pressed cloak miliseconds before your enemy fired an arrow at you, you have to understand that because of delay you see this later than it was in real time so no, he pressed it before you did and what counts in the end is time stamp send to server, if arrow was fired before your cloak you will get a hit. Fix? Add flag to each attack can it break cloak or not, so even if you get a single hit, you wont be set out of cloak.

Dk_needs_a_buff

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Vampire's Bane/Reflective Light (this has been a thing since Dark Brotherhood first released)
You can be hit by the splash damage from Reverse Slice (ex. the user is hitting somebody else with it and you're nearby) while in Cloak
Gap closers
2H Forceful passive
Crushing Shock (sometimes)
Dragon Leap
Inferno

Then there's the intended stuff like Hurricane, Haunting Curse, Biting Jabs/Puncturing Sweeps, Inhale, DK Talons, Fiery Breath/Noxious Breath, Piercing Mark, Magelight, etc. Every class should already have an ability on their bar that will also counter Cloak.

My hurricane doesnt

LegacyDM

When I sneeze or break wind I break cloak. That's how frustrating it is.

tonemd

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

@deepseamk20b14_ESO This is not true at all. Nightblades can tank. I can get about 25k resistance when I buff up with 5 hundings rage, 5 viper, and 2 tremor scale. Just give into the corruption of broken sets and you will feel so much better. You wouldn't be complaining in the first place. I call my character the one-shot-wonder-man.

As awful as that sounds, it is the *** truth.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Wtf necro much people...go to bed, stop making me click things.