Should players be locked into a faction for the duration of a campaign?

Enipfodnuos

Would making players choose a faction at the beginning of a campaign and stick with that faction till the end cut down on spying, toxic AP farming etc.

DHale

No

They already did this and it was removed. So them are the breaks. It would not end spying. I personally know people who have alternate accounts and open thier other account on the other faction just to monitor zone chat.

Enipfodnuos

Yes

DHale wrote: »

They already did this and it was removed. So them are the breaks. It would not end spying. I personally know people who have alternate accounts and open thier other account on the other faction just to monitor zone chat.

Damn. That sucks.

geonsocal

No

Deja vu???

this is one of those topics which gets raised fairly frequently @Enipfodnuos

honestly though - pretty good reasons for this (primarily due to trollsome/exploitive type players)...pretty good reason against (folks with multi characters stuck in unbalanced or dead campaigns/maps)...

I have 8 characters at the moment and have them all hanging out in the same map...

got to admit - it makes me smile to see a friend show up on my death recap

although all my characters actions during the campaign pretty much cancel each other out - i will say though: each character is very loyal to their own alliance...

that's probably the most role playing I do in the game is keeping the different characters allegiances straight - red fights blue/yellow, blue fights yellow/red, yellow fights blue/red...

after doing this for almost two years now...each character is all in for their alliance...

Enipfodnuos

Yes

geonsocal wrote: »

Deja vu???

this is one of those topics which gets raised fairly frequently @Enipfodnuos

honestly though - pretty good reasons for this (primarily due to trollsome/exploitive type players)...pretty good reason against (folks with multi characters stuck in unbalanced or dead campaigns/maps)...

I have 8 characters at the moment and have them all hanging out in the same map...

got to admit - it makes me smile to see a friend show up on my death recap

although all my characters actions during the campaign pretty much cancel each other out - i will say though: each character is very loyal to their own alliance...

that's probably the most role playing I do in the game is keeping the different characters allegiances straight - red fights blue/yellow, blue fights yellow/red, yellow fights blue/red...

after doing this for almost two years now...each character is all in for their alliance...

While it sounds like your playstile is fine, it is simply anecdotal. To get a true representation of a cross faction player we would need to survey many more ppl. I've been thinking about you and the other comment or in this sense. The question in my mind is not whether it would eliminate all the problems, but whether it could significantly reduce them. In my mind campaign lock would significantly reduce these issues.

geonsocal

No

@Enipfodnuos ...

not so sure there is cure for folks whom are hell bent on grieving/exploiting/annoying/straight out cheating/bothering other players...

seems though as far as solo players go - alliance hopping has little effect on them...

it's the groupies and those crazy folks whom actually build good relationships with others that seem to take the brunt of the headaches...

Grampa_Smurf

No

They had it that way before,

I think they should let players swap to different factions during campaigns but have a timer like, If I enter Cryo on a AD toon I must wait 12 hours before I can entre Cryo on a DC or EP, That way it would stop players keep farming.

Enipfodnuos

Yes

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

They had it that way before,

I think they should let players swap to different factions during campaigns but have a timer like, If I enter Cryo on a AD toon I must wait 12 hours before I can entre Cryo on a DC or EP, That way it would stop players keep farming.

This is an interesting idea. It's kind of a middle ground.

FuriousStar

Yes

If you're speaking of pvp, I must be missing something here. I'm getting a 100k AP or gold cost if I want to abandon campaign. I'm in Haderas atm, and 7 day ended, and it started me right back in my last alliance. so I guess I'm not understanding how you can switch factions in the middle, at such a cost. I'm a noob in pvp, so forgive me for the confusion here.

Wollust

No

It's 2017 and people still think spying is an issue in PvP?
Damn guys, take the tinfoil hats off.

geonsocal

No

FuriousStar wrote: »

If you're speaking of pvp, I must be missing something here. I'm getting a 100k AP or gold cost if I want to abandon campaign. I'm in Haderas atm, and 7 day ended, and it started me right back in my last alliance. so I guess I'm not understanding how you can switch factions in the middle, at such a cost. I'm a noob in pvp, so forgive me for the confusion here.

I have 3 characters in DC, 3 in EP and 2 in AD...5 of the 8 have done little but pvp since they were level 10...

since they allowed it - all have been on the same map...each campaign i shoot for the tier 3 rewards for each, which used to mean I would play each about 4 days or so a month (30 day campaign) to reach 100k AP...heck, I can get that now in about an hour

actually, with that 3,300 loyalty mail - i make around 28k gold just for keeping them all in their same campaigns, month to month...

gearing up and respeccing is costly...my participation in the alliance war nets me around 120k gold at the end of each campaign, plus another 60 to 80k in gear I sell throughout the month...

FuriousStar

Yes

Ah, think I understand now. I only have my templar up to somewhat par to even get into hardcore pvp. I know there's a camp for under lvl 50 toons, but, think I would need to daily grind in pve for another six months in order to even get on that level.

geonsocal

No

shoot @FuriousStar ...you don't have to be good at pvp to enjoy pvp (personal experience speaking there )...think of it more as a visit to some of tamriel's most exotic and weird locales...

when you enter: look on your map and find the spots where your alliance touches the other alliances...port to that location, try to find a large group of allies, no need for having to group up, just try to stay behind/around them...make sure you have some type of ranged weapon equipped (as well as ranged attacks)...

you'll have a blast, make sure you can shield and heal and don't forget to have a snack or drink when you get in...

have fun

Volrion

Yes

DHale wrote: »

They already did this and it was removed. So them are the breaks. It would not end spying. I personally know people who have alternate accounts and open thier other account on the other faction just to monitor zone chat.

That is so sad and embarrassing. Get a life guys lol

IndorilArwynLlethran

No

Me personally like switching between EP and AD to test skills, my own and my friends's. I don't see how locking factions can prevent spying, people can join opposite faction for a whole campaign just to read zone and talk in guild TS, you cannot stop it anyhow. You also cannot stop sharing information in zone because it really helps, zone filled with only LFGers and WTSers is useless. Since we all can see account names its much easier to recognize a spy now. But you should understand, always there will be a spy.
About AP farming, guys, if you are not successful in it - you are doing it wrong. If you are farmed - respecify. If you are farmed by someone you considered to be a faction fellow - ask him for a duel and respecify. People just want to buy better gear or something, there is no actual problem. A problem will appear when a cross-faction farmer becomes a possible-Emperor in more than 1 faction. But I guess it will be the funniest moment in AVA

stephbay123

Yes

In Trueflame PS4 last week DC got their scroll from AD however the guy that took it brought it straight to an EP keep on the other side of the map- he admitted in chat he was cheating and was EP. I think that is a good enough reason.

Carpe-Veritatem

Yes

Of course there should be account wide faction locks on a campaign by campaign basis! Look at the terrible state of PvP on TF right now. Reds log into their Blue toons to crown a buddy as Emp, then back to their Blue toons to crown a different buddy Emp. The map is manipulated in much the same way...jump to Red toon to defend a keep, back to a Blue or Yellow toon to achieve another strategic objective. Lazy players looking to ride the zerg wave just pick the most dominant side of the moment and log in there, making it even that much more lopsided. During pop locked times things are magnified even more as folks can't get in because JohnnyMcfactionJumper wants to ride the zerg train because he/she is an AP *** with no regard for the outcome at all. Who is harmed by such activity? EVERYONE actually loyal to their faction fighting hard to win! These are 30 day slugfests with a lot of time and effort required. I for one am offended when I see it happen on a daily basis. Just pick a freaking side and stay there for the duration of the campaign. If wanna switch when said campaign is over...go for it! But a campaigns outcome should not be determined by chicanery and cheap trickery. The whole premise of the story line is DEEEEP loyalty to one's faction, and this is totally undermined by allowing faction jumping. Please don't suggest that "players just wanna hang with their buds.." as an excuse to allow this. In the age of OneTamriel players can do so in 90% of the game's content. Cyro is a special place and needs to be treated differently than the rest of the games content. What has been occuring on TF for the past 4 campaigns can only be described as griefing. It is detrimental to the game and should be immediately addressed by ZOS. Account faction locking on a campaign by campaign basis won't solve all problems, but it is a necessary start.

Nermy

Yes

I voted yes as I am loyal to the pact (I don't have any other toons in different alliances). It's nothing to do with spies for me, it's about numbers. People jump from EP or DC to AD on EU TF as AD are always in the lead. Then EP and DC spend their evenings trying to hold back the AD hordes.

I'm not being salty here, for me, I just don't get it... Why would you want to fight for another alliance? lol

Enipfodnuos

Yes

It seems that so far the community is in favor of the motion by about 3 to 1! I've noticed the most vocal among us predominately support NOT changing the status quo, mostly for there own, personally advantageous reasons. Maybe this is a case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease? In any case I hope the ZOS team is reading this thread.

Vurian97

Yes

What if they made it to where 30 day campaigns were faction locked and then 7 days were not? It would give you equal ground among players. Those who are faction loyalists will naturally organize and play in 30-day, and your multi-faction scum will play in the 7 day.

Enipfodnuos

Yes

Vurian97 wrote: »

What if they made it to where 30 day campaigns were faction locked and then 7 days were not? It would give you equal ground among players. Those who are faction loyalists will naturally organize and play in 30-day, and your multi-faction scum will play in the 7 day.

Not a bad idea. Honestly I would be surprised if ZOS was even still willing to discuss this. But this thread i think illustrates a substantial desire for change.

gabriebe

Yes

I think a good middleground would be that you get faction-locked per campaign, so for example if you have DC toon that you play in Haderus and one AD toon you play in Azura, you could still play both in their own campaigns but not take the DC one, for example, into Azura before some kind of 72-hour cooldown or something. I`d remove the guest campaigns, tbh.

FearlessOne_2014

No

I'd only changed my answer in a HIGHLY EXCLUSIVE COOL KIDS ONLY, Cyrodiil. If ZOS made other ways for characters to get the skills that are in the Alliance War list that ARE MANDATORY for PvE mostly on stamina based characters. Mostly looking at Vigor.

News flash most of us arn't looking to go politicking for a unwelcoming faction/s. Inorder to get our skills. So simple answer, no. Just no.

My other answer having critical PvE skills locked behind PvP is a horrible idea. More so when you have a community who do not welcome new faces at all! Again no no no no no 1 million times. Leave it as is PvP is a joke to begin with. Very few outside of the exclusive cool kids clubs enjoy it anyways. It's just a means to a end that we have to put up with insufferable people in order to get what we need. In order to be successful outside of Cyrodiil.


https://youtu.be/XbPFphZ_S3U

Enipfodnuos

Yes

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I'd only changed my answer in a HIGHLY EXCLUSIVE COOL KIDS ONLY, Cyrodiil. If ZOS made other ways for characters to get the skills that are in the Alliance War list that ARE MANDATORY for PvE mostly on stamina based characters. Mostly looking at Vigor.

News flash most of us arn't looking to go politicking for a unwelcoming faction/s. Inorder to get our skills. So simple answer, no. Just no.

My other answer having critical PvE skills locked behind PvP is a horrible idea. More so when you have a community who do not welcome new faces at all! Again no no no no no 1 million times. Leave it as is PvP is a joke to begin with. Very few outside of the exclusive cool kids clubs enjoy it anyways. It's just a means to a end that we have to put up with insufferable people in order to get what we need. In order to be successful outside of Cyrodiil.


https://youtu.be/XbPFphZ_S3U

Man. That guy is a ***. Sorry for your experience, but a lot of PVP players are very friendly people. If you ever make a DC character look me up @soundofpine. I promise not to flame u.

Nermy

Yes

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I'd only changed my answer in a HIGHLY EXCLUSIVE COOL KIDS ONLY, Cyrodiil. If ZOS made other ways for characters to get the skills that are in the Alliance War list that ARE MANDATORY for PvE mostly on stamina based characters. Mostly looking at Vigor.

Go to another campaign, you don't have to have all your toons on ONE campaign.

Cogo

Yes

Nermy smells nice.

A polite good pact leader. Smells so nice!

Azurulia

Yes

I have no idea why they removed this. It makes sense to be locked into a faction once it's started.

TequilaFire

Yes

This campaign swapping has done the most damage to moral in my alliance than most anything else.
It is discouraging to see players you need back in your alliance on the other side in the middle of a campaign.
I have no problem with players swapping on the next campaign cycle.

dotme

Yes

I don't mind the spying. I can even tolerate the players who hop into zone chat to taunt someone they just wrecked on their other character. PVP has, for me, always had a population balance issue and as one faction pulls away in score in the first part of a 30 day campaign, it seems many players on the side(s) not doing so well will swap to the winning side just to get wrecked less, which only leads to further imbalance.

The "low population bonus" which was supposed to address this imbalance is a total fail. I've seen it in action. It lags far behind the current population count, and one time I even saw it exploited to catapult a faction from 3rd place to 1st in a day when they clearly had big numbers online already.

technohic

No

I'd go entirely opposite of this direction and let players queue their toons for any of the 3 factions. If one faction is outnumbering the other 2; let the other 2 pool their resources.

reiverx

Yes

I know there are players who just want to level up characters and the lack of good campaigns makes it difficult, but the cross alliance hopping has contributed nothing good to the overall state of PVP.