How mad does Dolmen Dark Anchor afk'ing make you?

Dragonnord

I don't get this. Are they getting XP? How? If they are not enfaging in battle.

zaria

Other.

Nestor wrote: »

Its no more annoying than the 50 to 100 player Zerg in Alikir. I ignore them if I am grinding in that zone. I think the only other zone I see it in with regularity is Auridon.

If ZOS would alter the dolmen respawn timer in those two zones, this would cease to be an issue.

Been in that zerg, until I understood that you don't get xp in zerg and as I did not need the drop I was of.
Now low pop dolmens gives lots of xp, more than soloing them.
In short the people doing them is either
1) stupid
2) need the jewelry
3) leveling tank or healer skills,

All is good, you want stupid farming dolmens, not getting in your pug dungeon group
You also want your tank and healer to have maxed their skills

phairdon

Other.

I'd like to know whether or not afk'ing is against TOS. One way to solve this is diminishing returns. The more time spent at a dolmen, less XP and less loot.
Gw2 introduced diminishing returns because of champ trains and players spending all their time farming certain events.

luen79rwb17_ESO

My inmersion is terribly disrupted in Alik'r not due to bots, but rather the large flood of players facerolling dolmens. I'm only going there for the fighter guild's daily, once I'm done with that achivement I have no plans to return there. People act desperate, running around spamming skills and then rushing to the nearest wayshrine like there's no tomorrow. So much for this Coldharbour invasion on Nirn.

phairdon

Other.

phairdon wrote: »

I'd like to know whether or not afk'ing is against TOS. One way to solve this is diminishing returns. The more time spent at a dolmen, less XP and less loot.
Gw2 introduced diminishing returns because of champ trains and players spending all their time farming certain events.

Found the answer to my question.

Hi everyone,

We know there have been a lot of questions recently about botting, automated play, what’s a Terms of Service Violation and what isn’t, and what we’re doing to combat TOS-violating behavior. We’d like to answer some of those questions and provide insight.

Per our Terms of Service, this is the definition of botting and automated play:

Utilizing automation for your character is a violation of our Terms of Service. This is defined as taking action on your character, without human input, to further advance your progress in the game. Which is considered botting.


Recently, some of you have asked if it’s okay to put tape or a rubber band on your controller. The short answer is “No.” Automating your character in any way, including placing tape or a rubber-band on a console controller, is considered a violation of our Terms of Service, and action may be taken on your account. You must be actively controlling your character.

In regards to our efforts to combat botting and automated play, we’re tackling it on two fronts: Game Development and Customer Support.

On the Game Development front, we are auditing the monsters that are most commonly targeted by those who bot and automate play to ensure the spawn timers are what they should be. As we find them, we’re fixing any monsters that are instantly re-spawning or on a spawn timer that is shorter than intended.

On the Customer Support side of things, our Terms of Service team suspends and bans accounts daily. We review all TOS reports that we receive, and prioritize the investigations of accounts that have received multiple complaints. We regularly send our Support Agents in-game to watch high-traffic areas such as Dolmens, and take action on any violators we identify. We turn over identified “black marketeers” and repeat offenders to Sony and Microsoft, which sometimes results in a ban of the individual’s PlayStation 4 or Xbox One. We also do other secret things.

So how can you help us with our efforts to get rid of those who are botting and/or automating their characters? Reporting them to us is a huge help, and we do review every ticket we receive.

Here are some steps for using the in-game reporting tools:

On PC/Mac
Radial Menu
Reporting players via the radial menu is the preferred method. Walk up to the player you wish to report and Press [F] to open the radial menu. Select “Report Player” then let go of [F] to open the Report Player window. Press [E] to report the player for botting, or [R] to open the Ticket Creation page.

Chat Window
You can also Right-click on a player character name in their chat window and choose the “Report Player” option.

Press [E] to report a player for chat spam, including spamming gold sales advertisements. This will automatically send a report and does not require you to open and fill out a ticket.

Press [R] to report another player for something unrelated to spam. Choosing this option opens the Ticket Creation page.


On PS4/Xbox One
Radial Menu
As with PC/Mac, reporting players via the radial menu is preferred. Simply walk up to the player you wish to report and press the [Menu] button on Xbox One or [Options] button on PlayStation 4 to open the radial menu. Select “Report Player” then let go of [Menu] or [Options] to open the Report Player window.

Customer Service Menu
Navigate to the Player Menu ([Menu] on Xbox One or [Options]) on PlayStation 4 and find the Help Menu.
From there, select the Customer Service Menu and proceed to fill out a ticket under the appropriate category type.

Please provide the following information when reporting another player:

The name of the player you are reported
The reason why you are reporting them (Spam, Botting, or Harassment)
The time of the incident
The megaserver that the reported player is playing on

If you wish to include visual proof of the violation, such as screenshots or video footage, simply reply to your Support Ticket to update it and add the files.

We hope this info helps – thank you for being a part of our community and continuing to report any potential TOS violations you see!

ADarklore

Very angry!

Jemcrystal wrote: »

My opinion is (1) they are not bots if they are playing the game for themselves and not RMT'ing; as in working for an illegitimate company for the purpose of selling gold to players for irl cash. (2) they are not going to get on my nerves unless they appear at every dolmen in the game in massive numbers to make dolmens unplayable.


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It's nice your shared your opinion, but that isn't the opinion of ZOS on the subject as posted here today.

They are in violation of the TOS and should be reported immediately and they, according to ZOS, WILL BE banned!!

DaveMoeDee

Not upset at all.

When I am working at home, I often have a character parked at a dolmen. I do missile attacks now and then to keep from timing out and to get some xp. If my character gets attacked, I take control. I usually grab the chest too.

I could try to program my keyboard to send left mouse hits. I already have macros for games that require spamming left mouse. But I'd rather know that I did not violate TOS.

DM_ESO

Not upset at all.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlgX9_Bd7KI&feature=youtu.be
vid recording PC-NA 3-1-2017

Local Theater group enthusiastically re-enacts the battle of Helm's Deep.

ADarklore

Very angry!

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

When I am working at home, I often have a character parked at a dolmen. I do missile attacks now and then to keep from timing out and to get some xp. If my character gets attacked, I take control. I usually grab the chest too.

I could try to program my keyboard to send left mouse hits. I already have macros for games that require spamming left mouse. But I'd rather know that I did not violate TOS.

See my response above... Jessica commented on what is a violation of TOS. Basically ANY type of automation is a violation of TOS.

PlaceboSoul

Other people getting very small amount of xp: free
Easier killing the boss because they're there : sweet, thanks
Able to train boss into them and kill 'em all : priceless

MLGProPlayer

Not nearly as much as farming bots.

Farming bots ruin the in-game economy.

These guys just get to level without playing the game. But then what's the point? I play the game to entertain myself.

kargen27

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Honestly they aren't getting that good of xp and they really aren't hurting anyone. However they are breaking tos.

Sure but once they get leveled they are going to end up queued in a dungeon with you spamming heavy attacks because they never learned to do anything else.

SunTzuJJ_ESO

Not upset at all.

People that get upset about this have either too much time on their hands, or need to reevaluate their life choices. ZOS has bigger problems than afk people at dolmen.

kamimark

Other.

I just go up and report those who won't interact. Or, you know, if an AOE mob happens to follow me up to them and kill them all, too bad.

SydneyGrey

Very angry!

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

When I am working at home, I often have a character parked at a dolmen. I do missile attacks now and then to keep from timing out and to get some xp. If my character gets attacked, I take control. I usually grab the chest too.

So you want OTHER people to do all the serious work and mess up their armor by taking hits, while you sit back and use them to get you free experience and loot. That's pretty lousy.

SunTzuJJ_ESO

Not upset at all.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

When I am working at home, I often have a character parked at a dolmen. I do missile attacks now and then to keep from timing out and to get some xp. If my character gets attacked, I take control. I usually grab the chest too.

So you want OTHER people to do all the serious work and mess up their armor by taking hits, while you sit back and use them to get you free experience and loot. That's pretty lousy.

Yup. And because it makes you mad, we can add that to the reward.

imredneckson

Other.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlgX9_Bd7KI&feature=youtu.be
vid recording PC-NA 3-1-2017

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I just don't care anymore reporting it hasn't yielded any results and since I can't fix it there's no reason for me to get pissed off over it

SydneyGrey

Very angry!

SunTzuJJ_ESO wrote: »

Yup. And because it makes you mad, we can add that to the reward.

LOL! Congratulations on your attempt to be smug.

If you read my very first post on this thread, though, you'd see that it doesn't really make me angry so much as annoyed. I'm not going to waste my time being angry about you people.

SunTzuJJ_ESO

Not upset at all.

"You people"

And you call me smug lol.

zaria

Other.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

When I am working at home, I often have a character parked at a dolmen. I do missile attacks now and then to keep from timing out and to get some xp. If my character gets attacked, I take control. I usually grab the chest too.

So you want OTHER people to do all the serious work and mess up their armor by taking hits, while you sit back and use them to get you free experience and loot. That's pretty lousy.

Armor damage is for earned xp, not hits.

the AfK have one negative effect on you, if its an raid sized group even if not grouped the xp awarded goes way down.
So if you and three friends did an dolmen you would get many times more xp than if it was 20 or more.

Now it looks to me that armor degradation and skill leveling is not affected by the large group xp reduction.
The AfK are stealing xp in practice.

R1ckyDaMan

Not upset at all.

Does not bother me at all, I just laugh and move on, why would they make me angry?

I am not saying it is ok btw, it is not good at all but not worth my attention.

Unsent.Soul

Other.

There's no reason to care. OP isn't going to change a thing.

Jemcrystal

Other.

Muramasa89 wrote: »

If people want to stand around and do nothing, that's their own problem (and I'd wager they don't consider it one). Quite often when I'm running to a dolmen, the monsters just won't be visible to me. They can kill me, or others, and others can kill them, but I get no such luxury. Fortunately I just spam AOEs so I'm not standing around like a lemon, but I could believe some have the same situation with them not being visible.

Just to be clear: we are talking about the two, roughly centre, AFKing (doing nothing) and not the group of idiots to the left just heavy attacking (botting, rubber banding), yes? I'm getting mixed views from other comments.

No I meant the people that are accused of "rubberbanding" and "botting." Now we have a terminology discrepancy. I will not call them "bots" because I relate that term to RMT which is far more serious than what they are doing. I will not call them "rubber banding" because omg no you cannot use a rubber band on your keyboard or mouse. Just does not work. Show me a video where you use a rubber band to make any skill repeat itself. I say they are afk'ing. Watching tv or going to work or going to school AFK NOT AT THEIR PLAYER CHARACTER but using a MACRO keyboard / mouse / or win7 program.

I guess you could call them Macroterds or somesuch.

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TheShadowScout

Other.

I wouldn't waste my anger on fools such as those.
It merely annoys me...
(and it especially annoys me that they are allowed to do so for days upon days - this is just the thing I would want to see an GM stzep in to stop and deal with!)
...
But the one day when I saw a heap of dead ones, that was funny!

OldGamerESO

Other.

I am not angry with bots. But I have a general frustration with life that "rule breakers" get a lot of advantages over everyone else, both in-game and everywhere else. The guy who cuts the line.. the person that parks in handicpa spots... the girl who buys a dress for a party then returns it, etc.

Sometimes I want to get a new character to 50 and the thought of grinding it up (even as fast as that can be) is depressing. If I could park the character at the dolman, tape down the fire button and come back in 10 hours and it was not against the rules I might consider doing that.

I think they should say botting is allowed or enforce their rules.

Shad0wfire99

Not upset at all.

Don't care. At all.

LuminaLilly

Other.

It's pretty pathetic.

Muramasa89

Not upset at all.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I will not call them "bots" because I relate that term to RMT which is far more serious than what they are doing.

So a bot. If you won't call a duck a duck, that's your issue.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I will not call them "rubber banding" because omg no you cannot use a rubber band on your keyboard or mouse. Just does not work. Show me a video where you use a rubber band to make any skill repeat itself.

Yeah whatever, it was just something I threw in because others mentioned it and I didn't bother to check your platform.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

AFK NOT AT THEIR PLAYER CHARACTER but using a MACRO keyboard / mouse / or win7 program.

So a bot.

Troneon

Other.

Afkers do not bother me....although they do increase mobs and time taken to complete delve which I can see would annoy players.

Afk botters / macro users should be classed as exploiting and be perma banned though...

But ZOS will just do nothing and pretend there is no problem as usual...

Kodrac

Other.

The amount of apathy is surprising. "It doesn't immediately affect me personally so don't care." Even if it might affect other people or might affect you later by something ZoS has to do to combat it. So when ZoS nerfs dolmen xp or takes away jewelry from dolmen chests and you all make rage threads at the injustice I'll be able to point to this thread and say "Meh you didn't care about bots. Deal bruh"