How Broken is ESO?

ol_BANK_lo

So, let me first say I think that fundamentally, ESO is a great game...as noted by the amount of hours I have played it, and by the fact I have not switched games recently. The devs have also picked up their game in terms of content with housing and Morrowind. PVP and PVE updates for all, plus new class. In addition, they seem to be listening more to their audience than ever, as evidenced by the players Zenimax brought to their studio for early Morrowind testing.

That said, this game is permanently broken in some fashion or another, and getting worse as time goes on. Factoring in the PVP and PVE lag, the DCs, the freezes, the gliches, and the bugs everywhere you turn, can anyone think of a game more consistently broken and frustrating? I am not the biggest gamer, so I may not have the experience others have. But after more than a year and half of this, and now 3 days in a row of not being able to log in at night, the question comes to mind.

Thoughts? Any game more permanently broken than ESO? What is the breaking point for you?

hmsdragonfly

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

can anyone think of a game more consistently broken and frustrating?

Skyrim.

JD2013

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

ol_BANK_lo

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

Hawtsauce

I have played off and on since release. These last few weeks have been HORRIBLE. I have never ever had connection issues in ESO before but these past 2-3 weeks have been BAD. I would love to pre-order MorrowWind but I am concerned about all disconnection problems - I now avoid all group content since I usually DC 1-2 times in a dungeon (I dont think it is fair to my grp and it sucks for me too). Most groups are cool and give me a few sec to relog but others have kicked me before I can log back in. Waiting for 5-10 min for a dungeon que only to DC and get kicked then wait another 15 before you can que , get in the que and wait for 5-15 and hope it doesnt happen again - not fun. I hope they fix these issues soon.

FYI - this is on PC NA Megaserver

JD2013

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

Semantics or not, (I do enjoy semantics though!) I think I've had it be literally unplayable twice in Cyrodiil when I had an older graphics card. That's in over 3 years of play. I've also crashed a handful of times (again in Cyrodiil) but always been able to log right back in again.


Never assume that everyone has the same experience with variables such as different hardware etc going on

They could however certainly stand to optimise this game a lot.

jedtb16_ESO

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

been playing since pre-release..... never had that problem.

ol_BANK_lo

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

been playing since pre-release..... never had that problem.

Perhaps console has more problems?

Hawtsauce

jedtb16_ESO signature says he is on PC EU - they must not have the same issues that NA Servers have.

Jitterbug

I play on heavily outdated hardware and rarely have issues I can't jot down to my own rig.
Judging by the forums though, the game is in a very poor state indeed.

Tandor

I don't PvP or do competitive PvE, nor do I use addons. I play solo/co-operatively. I haven't had any significant issues in almost 3 years, so the game isn't remotely broken so far as my own experience is concerned. I do understand, however, that it isn't everyone's experience although I do think such things as addons, over-clocking, updating drivers to the newest thing rather than sticking with ones that work, wireless rather than cabled connections, gaming on unsuitable laptops, and sundry other things at the player's end can make an enormous difference to performance. The game needs some optimising, yes, but so do some players' systems!

waitwhat

JD2013 wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

Semantics or not, (I do enjoy semantics though!) I think I've had it be literally unplayable twice in Cyrodiil when I had an older graphics card. That's in over 3 years of play. I've also crashed a handful of times (again in Cyrodiil) but always been able to log right back in again.


Never assume that everyone has the same experience with variables such as different hardware etc going on

They could however certainly stand to optimise this game a lot.

@JD2013 : On console this weekend, it was literally uplayable. Moreover, the frequency with which we experience disconnects renders any sort of Vet Trial very risky to undertake. Not worth playing is just as significant as literally unplayable.

Do not minimize the issue with semantic games. It is DEEPLY insulting.

jedtb16_ESO

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

been playing since pre-release..... never had that problem.

Perhaps console has more problems?

oh, you are on console?

'nuff said.

Kaymorolis

I don't find the game broken (or even buggy) at all. Of course, I've only been playing for a couple of weeks, so maybe I just haven't moved into the "broken" content yet.

Darkonflare15

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

Many times no. Sometimes maybe. Depends on player, platform, place, time, outsider influences, internet consistency, server issues, bugs, add-ons, or any other factors not listed here. You know problems usually happens in all multiplayer games while some problems cause in all single player games as of late. I remember plenty of people praising Witcher 3 but I had so many bugs with that game that it put Skyrim to shame.

waitwhat

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

been playing since pre-release..... never had that problem.

Perhaps console has more problems?

oh, you are on console?

'nuff said.

@jedtb16_ESO Without the revenue we contribute, the game would fail. Your population is not enough to sustain it. The more we leave, the less you get. Think on that the next time you denigrate us.

Oh, and for what it's worth I do own a gaming pc. I just use it for Elite Dangerous VR instead of ESO.

Ozstryker

Played since release, PC EU... Can genuinely say I have not had problems with any of the things op states! Maybe the odd quest bug......

Game is not broken here!!

ol_BANK_lo

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

Many times no. Sometimes maybe. Depends on player, platform, place, time, outsider influences, internet consistency, server issues, bugs, add-ons, or any other factors not listed here. You know problems usually happens in all multiplayer games while some problems cause in all single player games as of late. I remember plenty of people praising Witcher 3 but I had so many bugs with that game that it put Skyrim to shame.

True. I just don't have any problems with any other game, which is why I bring up the question. I am not the biggest gamer, but I don't find my experience acceptable anymore. I am Xbox NA, so I am just getting a feel for others' experience. I have watched many PC people have problems, and know consoles in general suffer a nasty fate. I don't have any hardware issue because I can't swap my hardware, my ping is very low and my internet speeds and connection are average to good. I am hardwired between router and Xbox and between Xbox and controller.

Are there people who have problems due to hardware, poor internet service, etc.? Absolutely. But there are so many inherent problems in the game, I just wanted to see if people felt it is more broken than other games, and if it's too much.

jedtb16_ESO

waitwhat wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

been playing since pre-release..... never had that problem.

Perhaps console has more problems?

oh, you are on console?

'nuff said.

@jedtb16_ESO Without the revenue we contribute, the game would fail. Your population is not enough to sustain it. The more we leave, the less you get. Think on that the next time you denigrate us.

Oh, and for what it's worth I do own a gaming pc. I just use it for Elite Dangerous VR instead of ESO.

lol wut?

lets unpick that a bit..... the guy says the game is broken.... no indication of platform.

i respond that i have been having no such problem and he then informs me he's on console.

my response to that was to the effect - oh well there you go....

and you see that as denigrating?

gurneyhalleck00

The Breaking point? Not sure since I seem to be coming back but I agree it's been getting close to me saying screw it. This latest "unusually long load time" BS was just poor architecture, lack of performance testing and they fact they found the issue means some genius missed it in testing. I love the game but I agree they have work to do.

Hawtsauce

I think a lot of people have noted in other discussions that many times the issues can be related to add-ons.
I used to run more add-ons and when those add-ons were up to date and supported by the designers
there were no issues. Now that most add-ons are no longer supported by the original creators they are out of date and
cause problems - not always disconnects or lag but it is a common problem.
I am hoping that ZMAx will take the opportunity when they release MorrowWind to update their UI with all of the
missing features that SOOOO many people use add-ons to correct - that alone could correct the problem for a lot of
players.

I love ESO but c'mon - what game in 2017 doesnt have support for an in game clock , mini-map , buff and debuff display , etc.
I disabled or un-installed many of the add-ons I used before to try and improve my connection stability.
Right now I only use the Lorebooks locations , Sky Shard locations and S'renndar so I can see buffs and debuffs.
I dont use Recount or any other mods any more.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

The only thing I consider 'broken' is ZOS's refusal to deal with cheaters and botters. There is not a day that goes by that I don't see the same bots in the same places *** their route. I report them, others report them, they are reported here on the forums and nothing is done. And, players are still speed/jump hacking. This is just in PVE, don't get me started on PVP.

JD2013

waitwhat wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Broken would imply a complete inability to play the game, yes? In which case not broken at all.

Problems? Certainly. But if it were broken I wouldn't have been able to play so many hours.

Ahhh, a creature of semantics. Broken in gaming lingo has come to imply a game that is very difficult to play, not just unplayable. But, yes, many times it is literally unplayable, which is why I brought up the question.

Semantics or not, (I do enjoy semantics though!) I think I've had it be literally unplayable twice in Cyrodiil when I had an older graphics card. That's in over 3 years of play. I've also crashed a handful of times (again in Cyrodiil) but always been able to log right back in again.


Never assume that everyone has the same experience with variables such as different hardware etc going on

They could however certainly stand to optimise this game a lot.

@JD2013 : On console this weekend, it was literally uplayable. Moreover, the frequency with which we experience disconnects renders any sort of Vet Trial very risky to undertake. Not worth playing is just as significant as literally unplayable.

Do not minimize the issue with semantic games. It is DEEPLY insulting.

I rather fail to see how that's insulting, and I challenge you that you're being too sensitive if you think me saying that not everyone has the same experience is insulting.

However, back to the matter at hand, console is of course different to PC. The game has been quite unplayable at times of what I know on console. Unplanned maintenance at the weekend and the such, performance issues and let's not forget the Orsinium crashing. It's definitely not the greatest on console, I do agree there. But then every mmo I've attempted to play on condone has had this result. I tried Neverwinter on PS4 and the performance was awful.

bulbousb16_ESO

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

That said, this game is permanently broken in some fashion or another, and getting worse as time goes on. Factoring in the PVP and PVE lag, the DCs, the freezes, the gliches, and the bugs everywhere you turn, can anyone think of a game more consistently broken and frustrating?

I'm not a fanboi or anything, but I simply haven't seen these issues. This game runs remarkably well on PC-NA, and bugs are dealt with via regular patches. I agree that one of the biggest concerns is bots and cheaters.

cjthibs

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

That said, this game is permanently broken in some fashion or another, and getting worse as time goes on. Factoring in the PVP and PVE lag, the DCs, the freezes, the gliches, and the bugs everywhere you turn, can anyone think of a game more consistently broken and frustrating?

I'm not a fanboi or anything, but I simply haven't seen these issues. This game runs remarkably well on PC-NA, and bugs are dealt with via regular patches. I agree that one of the biggest concerns is bots and cheaters.

Agreed.

Been playing since beta and there've been some bumpy spots, but nowhere near the calamities I've seen console players screaming about.

But this is to be expected when your platform's overlords (MS and Sony) don't allow incremental patching.

Vahrokh

MMOs aren't the most rock solid games, they change all the time.

The worst actually is not about "bugs" (despite at release there were so many, we could not do the main questline!) but classes balance.

In example, both in WoW and SWTOR there can be FOTM classes and ultra-gimp classes that stay in such status for a whole expansion and nobody cares to change them in between.

Try playing a Sorcerer in SWTOR PvP in the last 1.5 years, it was super-duper kill'em all. Try today, it's like playing a level 40 0 CP character vs level 50 CP 600.

borgking

it is beyond broken..it is irrepairable

ol_BANK_lo

Here are some quotes from some guildies in chat after some discussion and frustration. They are all high level PVP and PVE players, and have played since the beginning.

"I swear ESO is so lucky there aren't any good MMO's on Xbox"

"Yeah if another franchise wanted to invest it'd be over."

"It really would be"

"Yup"

I think people are really getting fed up. I write this as I watch Blobsky (Blobs) not be able to log in to his main character for 30 minutes on PC EU. So, yeah, console may have it worse, but PC isn't immune. Constant lag and DCs. Every new patch brings a plethora of new problems that take weeks and months to fix. Many are saying the the NO CP week isn't helping Cyrodiil.

Ozstryker

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

Here are some quotes from some guildies in chat after some discussion and frustration. They are all high level PVP and PVE players, and have played since the beginning.

"I swear ESO is so lucky there aren't any good MMO's on Xbox"

"Yeah if another franchise wanted to invest it'd be over."

"It really would be"

"Yup"

I think people are really getting fed up. I write this as I watch Blobsky (Blobs) not be able to log in to his main character for 30 minutes on PC EU. So, yeah, console may have it worse, but PC isn't immune. Constant lag and DCs. Every new patch brings a plethora of new problems that take weeks and months to fix. Many are saying the the NO CP week isn't helping Cyrodiil.

Meanwhile... None of this ever comes up in my guild chat or among friends.... Guess u just have *** luck!?

ol_BANK_lo

Ozstryker wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

Here are some quotes from some guildies in chat after some discussion and frustration. They are all high level PVP and PVE players, and have played since the beginning.

"I swear ESO is so lucky there aren't any good MMO's on Xbox"

"Yeah if another franchise wanted to invest it'd be over."

"It really would be"

"Yup"

I think people are really getting fed up. I write this as I watch Blobsky (Blobs) not be able to log in to his main character for 30 minutes on PC EU. So, yeah, console may have it worse, but PC isn't immune. Constant lag and DCs. Every new patch brings a plethora of new problems that take weeks and months to fix. Many are saying the the NO CP week isn't helping Cyrodiil.

Meanwhile... None of this ever comes up in my guild chat or among friends.... Guess u just have *** luck!?

You guys must have more patience. Kudos.

M0bi

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

can anyone think of a game more consistently broken and frustrating?

Skyrim.

I lol'd

thanks for the cheap lol