It just doesn't feel right........

Thealteregoroman

Not being able to be any class you want..........

I primarily like to play a healer in an MMO.......I like the Elder Scrolls series and the freedom it allows you........

I think having like 12 or 8 toons in my opinion to do the other class stuff abilities is what's really killing me here. I want to be a healer and if I want to damage deal why can't I have sorc abilities too or summon pets to fight? There are MMO's out there that allows you to create a character and "switch jobs" at will......I think that would have felt closer to an Elder Scrolls experience than what we have now.......

If they gave us world skill lines that expanded the 5 classes we had now I think that would help tremendously......

I tried to play my sorc character and all I could think about while playing is ALL THAT achievements and thieves guild and dark brotherhood skill lines I maxed out AND all the bag storage and horse training I bought and time I put into my healer character, skyshards and all. I was put off by it and went back from changing the healer class to A "master crafter."

The warden sounds like something I would have picked the first time before picking a templar.

It would have been nice to have the 3 Warden classes as a World skill line instead of making a new character..........

I am not on it alot and I know most people will say it doesn't take that long to level up a character.......I am not talking about leveling up.....I am talking about it not feeling like elderscrolls.

Anyways what do you guys think? Would you have wanted the WARDEN CLASS to be a World skill line?

Tryxus

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Would you have wanted the WARDEN CLASS to be a World skill line?

I want my Argonian Treeminder >:(

Cadbury

Tryxus wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Would you have wanted the WARDEN CLASS to be a World skill line?

I want my Argonian Treeminder >:(

And I want my Orc unarmed Monk

Lynx7386

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

Thealteregoroman

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

Lynx7386

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

I have to disagree. Inevitably, when everyone has access to all the same abilities and skills, a very small selection are actually used. Everyone ends up running with the same exact setup at endgame because of the prevalence of minmax builds.

Thealteregoroman

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

I have to disagree. Inevitably, when everyone has access to all the same abilities and skills, a very small selection are actually used. Everyone ends up running with the same exact setup at endgame because of the prevalence of minmax builds.

Well to me that's no different than someone having 12 different characters ready to go at a moments notice. Its like if Night blades are buffed..........and temps are nerfed......then they would just switch characters......

In my perspective, just having 1 character be a sorc........or a night blade......or a temp......or a warden is ok.......

WHATS NOT ok is being a sorc and a templar at the same time. I really want in game class change like other MMO's have it. I feel this would give us a more genuine Elder Scrolls Experience.

Lynx7386

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

I have to disagree. Inevitably, when everyone has access to all the same abilities and skills, a very small selection are actually used. Everyone ends up running with the same exact setup at endgame because of the prevalence of minmax builds.

Well to me that's no different than someone having 12 different characters ready to go at a moments notice. Its like if Night blades are buffed..........and temps are nerfed......then they would just switch characters......

In my perspective, just having 1 character be a sorc........or a night blade......or a temp......or a warden is ok.......

WHATS NOT ok is being a sorc and a templar at the same time. I really want in game class change like other MMO's have it. I feel this would give us a more genuine Elder Scrolls Experience.

If there was class change, everyone would just swap to whatever the flavor of the month class is anyways, and wouldn't have to put in time for multiple characters.

Thealteregoroman

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

I have to disagree. Inevitably, when everyone has access to all the same abilities and skills, a very small selection are actually used. Everyone ends up running with the same exact setup at endgame because of the prevalence of minmax builds.

Well to me that's no different than someone having 12 different characters ready to go at a moments notice. Its like if Night blades are buffed..........and temps are nerfed......then they would just switch characters......

In my perspective, just having 1 character be a sorc........or a night blade......or a temp......or a warden is ok.......

WHATS NOT ok is being a sorc and a templar at the same time. I really want in game class change like other MMO's have it. I feel this would give us a more genuine Elder Scrolls Experience.

If there was class change, everyone would just swap to whatever the flavor of the month class is anyways, and wouldn't have to put in time for multiple characters.

I guess for me time is a convenience I don't have.......its prob why ZOS is making so much money off of me.....

DragonBound

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Not being able to be any class you want..........

I primarily like to play a healer in an MMO.......I like the Elder Scrolls series and the freedom it allows you........

I think having like 12 or 8 toons in my opinion to do the other class stuff abilities is what's really killing me here. I want to be a healer and if I want to damage deal why can't I have sorc abilities too or summon pets to fight? There are MMO's out there that allows you to create a character and "switch jobs" at will......I think that would have felt closer to an Elder Scrolls experience than what we have now.......

If they gave us world skill lines that expanded the 5 classes we had now I think that would help tremendously......

I tried to play my sorc character and all I could think about while playing is ALL THAT achievements and thieves guild and dark brotherhood skill lines I maxed out AND all the bag storage and horse training I bought and time I put into my healer character, skyshards and all. I was put off by it and went back from changing the healer class to A "master crafter."

The warden sounds like something I would have picked the first time before picking a templar.

It would have been nice to have the 3 Warden classes as a World skill line instead of making a new character..........

I am not on it alot and I know most people will say it doesn't take that long to level up a character.......I am not talking about leveling up.....I am talking about it not feeling like elderscrolls.

Anyways what do you guys think? Would you have wanted the WARDEN CLASS to be a World skill line?

I am going to have to disagree with you on this concept of muliti classing, not that many mmorpgs do it what they do have is more class choices and hybird classes, anyways cross classing takes allot of balance working as it is, it does not always work out well.

Lynx7386

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

I have to disagree. Inevitably, when everyone has access to all the same abilities and skills, a very small selection are actually used. Everyone ends up running with the same exact setup at endgame because of the prevalence of minmax builds.

Well to me that's no different than someone having 12 different characters ready to go at a moments notice. Its like if Night blades are buffed..........and temps are nerfed......then they would just switch characters......

In my perspective, just having 1 character be a sorc........or a night blade......or a temp......or a warden is ok.......

WHATS NOT ok is being a sorc and a templar at the same time. I really want in game class change like other MMO's have it. I feel this would give us a more genuine Elder Scrolls Experience.

If there was class change, everyone would just swap to whatever the flavor of the month class is anyways, and wouldn't have to put in time for multiple characters.

I guess for me time is a convenience I don't have.......its prob why ZOS is making so much money off of me.....

Right there with you, I've been playing since the game first launched and I only have two characters at 50. Also going to be starting a warden as my new main and would've picked that class had it been available at launch.

hmsdragonfly

You do realize that you can dps/tank/heal with your sorc, right? You only need to respec your abilities and your CPs. So, you can "switch jobs" at will. I don't get it, what do you want here? xD

O_LYKOS

I'm pretty sure you can use any class to fill any role if your skill and build allows you too. Alter what you need changing and you're good to go.

Just be sure to be rich because respec'ing can get expensive lol

Archaea

you know MMO just means mass multiplayer online thats all it stats for... doesn't mean their needs to be classes or items or even leveling.

mesmerizedish

Yeah, any class can competently perform any role. A sorcerer tank is probably not gonna be invited to veteran trial runs, but uh... neither am I, and I main a dragon knight tank. The game is already far more flexible than any MMO I've ever played. That's a good thing, but letting characters change classes defeats the whole purpose of having classes to begin with. I'd sooner see them get rid of classes entirely.

Thealteregoroman

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

You do realize that you can dps/tank/heal with your sorc, right? You only need to respec your abilities and your CPs. So, you can "switch jobs" at will. I don't get it, what do you want here? xD

I want to be able to "switch jobs" as a temp, dragon knight, nightblade or sorc. I don't want to have to create 4 characters. I feel like they did it this way to force you to buy convenience items.

I DO NOT want to mix skills between the classes.......just switch classes.......

Thealteregoroman

O_LYKOS wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can use any class to fill any role if your skill and build allows you too. Alter what you need changing and you're good to go.

Just be sure to be rich because respec'ing can get expensive lol

Thats the other problems......because of homestead....I am broke.

Thealteregoroman

Archaea wrote: »

you know MMO just means mass multiplayer online thats all it stats for... doesn't mean their needs to be classes or items or even leveling.

Exactly....which is why I think it would be cool.

Thealteregoroman

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Yeah, any class can competently perform any role. A sorcerer tank is probably not gonna be invited to veteran trial runs, but uh... neither am I, and I main a dragon knight tank. The game is already far more flexible than any MMO I've ever played. That's a good thing, but letting characters change classes defeats the whole purpose of having classes to begin with. I'd sooner see them get rid of classes entirely.

Same.....I just think its kinda odd when people have 12 toons.............I mean its your time do as you will but you can effectively have 1 character to do it all. Like in previous Elder Scrolls titles.

Artis

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

I have to disagree. Inevitably, when everyone has access to all the same abilities and skills, a very small selection are actually used. Everyone ends up running with the same exact setup at endgame because of the prevalence of minmax builds.

Well to me that's no different than someone having 12 different characters ready to go at a moments notice. Its like if Night blades are buffed..........and temps are nerfed......then they would just switch characters......

In my perspective, just having 1 character be a sorc........or a night blade......or a temp......or a warden is ok.......

WHATS NOT ok is being a sorc and a templar at the same time. I really want in game class change like other MMO's have it. I feel this would give us a more genuine Elder Scrolls Experience.

If there was class change, everyone would just swap to whatever the flavor of the month class is anyways, and wouldn't have to put in time for multiple characters.

Hahah what? So you're saying it's better when people are forced to play what they don't enjoy playing? As if it was their fault that their class is underpowered and no one takes it to serious trial runs, for example?

mesmerizedish

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

You do realize that you can dps/tank/heal with your sorc, right? You only need to respec your abilities and your CPs. So, you can "switch jobs" at will. I don't get it, what do you want here? xD

I want to be able to "switch jobs" as a temp, dragon knight, nightblade or sorc. I don't want to have to create 4 characters. I feel like they did it this way to force you to buy convenience items.

I DO NOT want to mix skills between the classes.......just switch classes.......

So your characters aren't actually characters, they're just tools you use to interface with the game. That's... fine, but allowing class switching would be disruptive to people who don't play the game that way.

A far better solution would be making more stuff account-wide, like achievements.

Thealteregoroman

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

You do realize that you can dps/tank/heal with your sorc, right? You only need to respec your abilities and your CPs. So, you can "switch jobs" at will. I don't get it, what do you want here? xD

I want to be able to "switch jobs" as a temp, dragon knight, nightblade or sorc. I don't want to have to create 4 characters. I feel like they did it this way to force you to buy convenience items.

I DO NOT want to mix skills between the classes.......just switch classes.......

So your characters aren't actually characters, they're just tools you use to interface with the game. That's... fine, but allowing class switching would be disruptive to people who don't play the game that way.

A far better solution would be making more stuff account-wide, like achievements.

THAT would be so awesome if they allowed that forsure. I would have to feel like I wasted all that time.

Chelo

Class change is probably coming to the crown store after Morrowind is up... People said race change would never come and look at it now, probably going to cost 5000 crowns though...

Just wait and be patient..

ArchMikem

If you could be whatever you wanted at will then the very idea of Classes becomes irrelevant.

Thealteregoroman

Chelo wrote: »

Class change is probably coming to the crown store after Morrowind is up... People said race change would never come and look at it now, probably going to cost 5000 crowns though...

Just wait and be patient..

I am hoping so............

Lynx7386

Artis wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorry but I think it adds some much needed diversity to the game by having classes with unique themes and playstyles.

You can dps, tank, or heal on any class and can easily swap roles with gear and enough skill points.

yea you are right.......still think we would have diversity if they were world skills instead.

I have to disagree. Inevitably, when everyone has access to all the same abilities and skills, a very small selection are actually used. Everyone ends up running with the same exact setup at endgame because of the prevalence of minmax builds.

Well to me that's no different than someone having 12 different characters ready to go at a moments notice. Its like if Night blades are buffed..........and temps are nerfed......then they would just switch characters......

In my perspective, just having 1 character be a sorc........or a night blade......or a temp......or a warden is ok.......

WHATS NOT ok is being a sorc and a templar at the same time. I really want in game class change like other MMO's have it. I feel this would give us a more genuine Elder Scrolls Experience.

If there was class change, everyone would just swap to whatever the flavor of the month class is anyways, and wouldn't have to put in time for multiple characters.

Hahah what? So you're saying it's better when people are forced to play what they don't enjoy playing? As if it was their fault that their class is underpowered and no one takes it to serious trial runs, for example?

My main since the game first launched has been a stamblade. Even before there were stamina morphs and the game was elder sticks and dresses online. Even before the weapon and armor line improvements. Even now after stamina builds have been crapped on again.

Play what you like, don't bother with everyone else's opinions on the matter.

Lynx7386

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

You do realize that you can dps/tank/heal with your sorc, right? You only need to respec your abilities and your CPs. So, you can "switch jobs" at will. I don't get it, what do you want here? xD

I want to be able to "switch jobs" as a temp, dragon knight, nightblade or sorc. I don't want to have to create 4 characters. I feel like they did it this way to force you to buy convenience items.

I DO NOT want to mix skills between the classes.......just switch classes.......

You say you want to be able to "switch jobs" - well, good news, you can, and it doesn't require a class change. Templars aren't the only healers, Sorcs aren't the only spellcasters, dragonknights aren't the only tanks, and nightblades aren't the only assassins. Every class can fill every role. At most, all you need to do is visit the respec shrine.

There is absolutely no need for either a class change option or for you to have one of every class in order to play any role you want. It all comes down to build and gear.

hmsdragonfly

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

You do realize that you can dps/tank/heal with your sorc, right? You only need to respec your abilities and your CPs. So, you can "switch jobs" at will. I don't get it, what do you want here? xD

I want to be able to "switch jobs" as a temp, dragon knight, nightblade or sorc. I don't want to have to create 4 characters. I feel like they did it this way to force you to buy convenience items.

I DO NOT want to mix skills between the classes.......just switch classes.......

No, the thing is, classes are not roles, or "jobs" here. Roles (or as you called it, "jobs") are: tank, dd and healer. With any of the 4 classes, you can still fill in any role if want.

Thealteregoroman

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

You do realize that you can dps/tank/heal with your sorc, right? You only need to respec your abilities and your CPs. So, you can "switch jobs" at will. I don't get it, what do you want here? xD

I want to be able to "switch jobs" as a temp, dragon knight, nightblade or sorc. I don't want to have to create 4 characters. I feel like they did it this way to force you to buy convenience items.

I DO NOT want to mix skills between the classes.......just switch classes.......

You say you want to be able to "switch jobs" - well, good news, you can, and it doesn't require a class change. Templars aren't the only healers, Sorcs aren't the only spellcasters, dragonknights aren't the only tanks, and nightblades aren't the only assassins. Every class can fill every role. At most, all you need to do is visit the respec shrine.

There is absolutely no need for either a class change option or for you to have one of every class in order to play any role you want. It all comes down to build and gear.

I know but I want to be able to summon pets......and be a templar..........all in one character. I don't want to make 2 different characters to do that. we don't make 2 different characters in other Elder Scrolls games.

.....well wait I don't, others might.

idk

@Thealteregoroman

First, why are you not doing DPS on your Templar. They do great. Then you could dps and heal on the same character and merely change what you need to change, gear, skills and CP.

As for "other MMOs" that allow you to be anything and everything as you mention, what major MMO that is currently active are you speaking of? None. none at all.

As for feeling like a traditional TES game, much works well in single player that is a down right bad idea for an MMO and your suggestion falls into that.

EDIT: no, Warden class should not be a world skill line. heck, it has 3 skill lines and passives. It is clearly best suited for being it's own.

Thealteregoroman

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

That other MMO is FFXIV. It is also doing extremely well.

I want 1 character and be able to switch classes. I DO NOT want to mix the classes together. You can't do that in FFXIV and that is NOT what I am suggesting. Just tired of seeing same animations I guess.