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Sustain issues
t3hdubzy
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Hi guys, A few folks including myself have noticed a bit of sustain issues, with botha magika and stamina. Previously I was at 1825 stam recovery before patch, and wearing molag kena and doing fine with sustain. After patch molag kena is not an option, it dups all my stamina very quickly, and even after taking it off, Im constantly running on empty, and Im now at 2100 recovery.
Is this in my head? It feels like theres passives not working somewhere and with extra CP i thought my sustain would be even bette despite having no issues before.
Is this in my head? It feels like theres passives not working somewhere and with extra CP i thought my sustain would be even bette despite having no issues before.
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unchained passiv has been changed you only have 1 abilities cost reduced to 20% instead of all abilities in 3 seconds.
But beside it I noticed a change too, I could easily sustain with 2,3k stam reg on a stamblade in pvp with a lot of dodging but now I really struggle to sustain for more than 20 seconds0 -
t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭To me it feels like armor passives arent working, especially with sneak, by the time i get to a good position i have to recast relentless focus and wait to be whole again first.0
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Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ele Drain got nerfed and there are less shards from templars in PvP.
Probably you just can sustain less with your stamblades because magicka got buffed to an equal level and now you take damage...PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -1 -
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisonsEdited by BohnT on February 23, 2017 2:23PM5 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I had an issue where my skills were costing an extraordinary amount of resources but it went away when I rezoned. As an example Retreating Maneuvers was costing over 19k stamina.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My highest recovery is under 750 and I rarely have resource management issues. Posts like this make me wonder what everyone else is doing.
My best advice is to heavy attack more to regain resources.
Other than that find one of those abilities you can stand in to get more resources back.2 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
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THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic0 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamina resources in particular seem to be costing more. I'm on my magic character BTW, break free and blocking are draining quicker than what I'm used to in my rotations when weaving.
I don't have any facts or numbers to back this, I just have been playing since launch and I've noticed some value change in this regard. Could be a side effect of another change0 -
t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest recovery is under 750 and I rarely have resource management issues. Posts like this make me wonder what everyone else is doing.
My best advice is to heavy attack more to regain resources.
Other than that find one of those abilities you can stand in to get more resources back.
As a seasoned played Im aware of how heavy and light attacks work, but that may be helpful for new players.
The purpose of this post is to discuss resource management changes from before and after the patch.0 -
t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Stamina resources in particular seem to be costing more. I'm on my magic character BTW, break free and blocking are draining quicker than what I'm used to in my rotations when weaving.
I don't have any facts or numbers to back this, I just have been playing since launch and I've noticed some value change in this regard. Could be a side effect of another change
Thats interesting I was playing with a magika dealing friend last night who mentioned he had issues eith both stamina and magika.0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest recovery is under 750 and I rarely have resource management issues. Posts like this make me wonder what everyone else is doing.
My best advice is to heavy attack more to regain resources.
Other than that find one of those abilities you can stand in to get more resources back.
I can assure you that I use Heavy attacks but as a stam nb I can't focus on stacking everything into stam as I need ~21k health, enough magicka for shade / cloak (regen buff food). So I end up with ~ 33k stam.
I don't know your setup maybe 5 heavy and then resource management is very easy with constitution + heavy attack resource buff.
I also don't know if that's your PvE or PvP setup, would be nice to have a clarification on this so I can make up better arguments0 -
jcaceresw✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.Edited by jcaceresw on February 23, 2017 3:05PM0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
You can only get up to 24k magicka?? You must be confused.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest recovery is under 750 and I rarely have resource management issues. Posts like this make me wonder what everyone else is doing.
My best advice is to heavy attack more to regain resources.
Other than that find one of those abilities you can stand in to get more resources back.
I can assure you that I use Heavy attacks but as a stam nb I can't focus on stacking everything into stam as I need ~21k health, enough magicka for shade / cloak (regen buff food). So I end up with ~ 33k stam.
I don't know your setup maybe 5 heavy and then resource management is very easy with constitution + heavy attack resource buff.
I also don't know if that's your PvE or PvP setup, would be nice to have a clarification on this so I can make up better arguments
I'll have to use estimates because I'm not in front of my console. I do PVP a lot, often solo but do group about 30% of the time. I rarely run dungeons but can and have done much of the vet content in a similar build. Still it's primarily a PVP set up. I've done away with my proc set.
Breton
Magplar: 48k magic, 27k health (in PVP), 10k stamina
7 heavy, Sword and Board/ Destro
5 Julianos (4 on Desto Bar)
2 Magus
3 Willpower
2 unmatched monster pieces - Grothdarr for magic, I forget for health
All magic or spell power enchants
1047 crit resist - I don't use impen. I get my CR from CP. My gear is infused on big and divines on small.
32k in both physical and spell resist while in my Templar circle. 27k when not.
My recoveries are like 750, 500 and 300. I heavy attack to recover magic often.
Bar 1: Harness Magicka Shield, Radiant, Pokey Sticks, Inner Light, Structured Entropy, Ice Comet
Bar 2: BoL, Templar Magic Recovery Circle, Mist Form, Rapids, SE, Destro Ult
Let me know if you have any questions. This version of my build was my answer to the radiant nerf. Night one post patch was a huge thumbs up. People were dropping like flies and I was able to fight Stam Sorcs better than I have in a long time. No recovery issues at any time in my 3 hours of PVP last night and most nights are similar.
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Thank you for the build setup.
I think heavy armor is one big part of your good resource management + you don't have to dodge roll any skill with mist form / purge so you only use your stamina to break free.
As I play medium armor I don't get any resources from constitution/ and loose the 50% buff on heavy attack resource replenish.
As I mentioned above most stam builds need magicka for important abilities and have to find a way to get the magicka to use them when needed. This makes it hard for stam builds to invest in stamina + stam reg and some magicka reg and still have enough health to survive most burst combinations.
So we have to split every thing and it is hard to use max stam + stam reg buff food as we'd have to give up some jewellery enchantments to make up with the loss in magicka reg.
To sum it up: Your build stacks anything in max magicka and gets resources with different ways than regeneration.
Stam builds tend to need a bit of all and have to make sacrifices in either regen, max stats or damage.
But I like the idea of focusing on max stat and never run out because your resource pool is so huge I think I'll try it sometimes.
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
What is your setup? Maybe you can share it to let us give you some improvement proposes0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You are not alone, I have noticed stamina management problems on my stamblade as well.
I was chalking it up to those damn resource draining poisons which need to go.
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jcaceresw✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
What is your setup? Maybe you can share it to let us give you some improvement proposes
I play on all classes (thus I play on magDK, magplar, magnb and magsorc). All of them have between 20-24k even using the same build.
My current build is 2 skorya (1 heavy 1 medium due to undaunted passives), 3 willpower, 4 martial knowledge (all light) and 2 torug pact (weapon and light armor). My goal is mostly more spell damage so it ranges about 2300-2500 each character depending of class (sorc having a little more spell damage). Even with a blue magicka drink (due to giving much more stats) I can reach at most 24k. My critical damage goes at most 30%. I use infused on helm and chest. Rest is divines. I use the aprentice mundus stone for more spell damage.Edited by jcaceresw on February 23, 2017 3:59PM0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
What is your setup? Maybe you can share it to let us give you some improvement proposes
I play on all classes (thus I play on magDK, magplar, magnb and magsorc). All of them have between 20-24k even using the same build.
My current build is 2 skorya (1 heavy 1 medium due to undaunted passives), 3 willpower, 4 martial knowledge (all light) and 2 torug pact (weapon and light armor). My goal is mostly more spell damage so it ranges about 2300-2500 each character depending of class (sorc having a little more spell damage). Even with a blue magicka drink (due to giving much more stats) I can reach at most 24k. My critical damage goes at most 30%. I use infused on helm and chest. Rest is divines. I use the aprentice mundus stone for more spell damage.
Are all of your attributes into Magicka? Or have you spread those out?0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
What is your setup? Maybe you can share it to let us give you some improvement proposes
I play on all classes (thus I play on magDK, magplar, magnb and magsorc). All of them have between 20-24k even using the same build.
My current build is 2 skorya (1 heavy 1 medium due to undaunted passives), 3 willpower, 4 martial knowledge (all light) and 2 torug pact (weapon and light armor). My goal is mostly more spell damage so it ranges about 2300-2500 each character depending of class (sorc having a little more spell damage). Even with a blue magicka drink (due to giving much more stats) I can reach at most 24k. My critical damage goes at most 30%. I use infused on helm and chest. Rest is divines. I use the aprentice mundus stone for more spell damage.
Do you have enchantments on your gear? 24k is extremely low for your main resource pool. For example my Khajiit (no max stam bonus) NB has just under 30k stam with drinks instead of food.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
jcaceresw✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
What is your setup? Maybe you can share it to let us give you some improvement proposes
I play on all classes (thus I play on magDK, magplar, magnb and magsorc). All of them have between 20-24k even using the same build.
My current build is 2 skorya (1 heavy 1 medium due to undaunted passives), 3 willpower, 4 martial knowledge (all light) and 2 torug pact (weapon and light armor). My goal is mostly more spell damage so it ranges about 2300-2500 each character depending of class (sorc having a little more spell damage). Even with a blue magicka drink (due to giving much more stats) I can reach at most 24k. My critical damage goes at most 30%. I use infused on helm and chest. Rest is divines. I use the aprentice mundus stone for more spell damage.
Are all of your attributes into Magicka? Or have you spread those out?
Yes, all enchants are magicka.0 -
jcaceresw✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
What is your setup? Maybe you can share it to let us give you some improvement proposes
I play on all classes (thus I play on magDK, magplar, magnb and magsorc). All of them have between 20-24k even using the same build.
My current build is 2 skorya (1 heavy 1 medium due to undaunted passives), 3 willpower, 4 martial knowledge (all light) and 2 torug pact (weapon and light armor). My goal is mostly more spell damage so it ranges about 2300-2500 each character depending of class (sorc having a little more spell damage). Even with a blue magicka drink (due to giving much more stats) I can reach at most 24k. My critical damage goes at most 30%. I use infused on helm and chest. Rest is divines. I use the aprentice mundus stone for more spell damage.
Do you have enchantments on your gear? 24k is extremely low for your main resource pool. For example my Khajiit (no max stam bonus) NB has just under 30k stam with drinks instead of food.
All magicka on armor enchants. For the jewelry I have put "spell damage" enchants.0 -
Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Switch to food or witchmother's potent brew.Edited by Berenhir on February 23, 2017 6:00PMPC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -0 -
Dragath✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No the increased damage is barely noticeable, I still cast vigor every 5 seconds and reapply my buffs when they run out. It feels like my regen isn't working and abilities cost 30% more all the time even without poisons
I agree, sustain for stamina is somewhat changed, not for the better. I dont run out easily tho since im running 3100 stamregen. Was considering lowering it, but totally wont do that now, bleugh.
3100? Wow. That's wild.
Signed,
The guy with about 48,000 magic
I would like to know how to get to such high number for magicka. I can get at most to half that amount buffed.
What is your setup? Maybe you can share it to let us give you some improvement proposes
I play on all classes (thus I play on magDK, magplar, magnb and magsorc). All of them have between 20-24k even using the same build.
My current build is 2 skorya (1 heavy 1 medium due to undaunted passives), 3 willpower, 4 martial knowledge (all light) and 2 torug pact (weapon and light armor). My goal is mostly more spell damage so it ranges about 2300-2500 each character depending of class (sorc having a little more spell damage). Even with a blue magicka drink (due to giving much more stats) I can reach at most 24k. My critical damage goes at most 30%. I use infused on helm and chest. Rest is divines. I use the aprentice mundus stone for more spell damage.
Are all of your attributes into Magicka? Or have you spread those out?
Yes, all enchants are magicka.
typo?
he means the attribute points that you get, when you level up.0 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hi guys, A few folks including myself have noticed a bit of sustain issues, with botha magika and stamina. Previously I was at 1825 stam recovery before patch, and wearing molag kena and doing fine with sustain. After patch molag kena is not an option, it dups all my stamina very quickly, and even after taking it off, Im constantly running on empty, and Im now at 2100 recovery.
Is this in my head? It feels like theres passives not working somewhere and with extra CP i thought my sustain would be even bette despite having no issues before.
I use 2pc kena all the time (kr'aghs in vet trials) on my stamplar. Put pointd into mooncalf, and 100 into the ome that gives cost reductiom. 16%. 5pc vo gives another 8% cost reduction.
If you have vmsa be sure to empower your dots before you proc kena, proc kena only for spamable/execute/trash mobs.
If you use enough dot damage (as you should) kena is barely noticable. If you're doing a dps test use kr'aghs/vel/kena+vel/kena+bloodspawn/kena+kr'aghs or w/e. Those will be more helpful for long dps and sustain tests.
If you have 2k stam recovery in pve YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING VERY WRONG. Likely missing alot of supplemental dps.0