Eso Morrowind RUINS chronology, please make vestige time traveler (Can fit lore wise)

mesmerizedish

aliyavana wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Nothing in your OP actually mentions why this "ruins chronology." You have a whole section headed "Why vvardenfell ruins chronology" which proceeds to... not justify that at all. Do you actually have any kind of argument here? Or is it just "I don't like it, so I'll make up a complaint that sounds serious"?

Reread it please...

I've read it twice. You haven't actually articulated an argument. All you've done is made a couple entirely unjustified claims followed by what you think "should" happen.

Let me help you

Why vvardenfell ruins chronology:

Taken from http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info

ESO:M's new tutorial is more open and "in the world" than the Coldharbour prison. Naryu will be your guide.
- If you do ESO:M's tutorial instead of the base game's, once you head to mainland Tamriel you'll start the main storyline, including your death at the hands of Mannimarco, as a main story quest.

- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.

let me quote illsabet "Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.

In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.

Okay, finally you've said "here is a Thing, here is why it's a problem." It's interesting that you quote someone else to do it, but that's neither here nor there.

Nevermind the obvious hyperbole of what amounts to potential continuity issues of a single character "ruining chronology," your assertion that it's even an actual issue is based on nothing but supposition. When we actually have concrete information about Naryu's role in Morrowind and the changes to her dialogue that we see if we do Morrowind first, then you can make some sort of claim. But "this ruins chronology because I think it will despite having no data" isn't a defensible position.

Aliyavana

mesmerizedish wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Nothing in your OP actually mentions why this "ruins chronology." You have a whole section headed "Why vvardenfell ruins chronology" which proceeds to... not justify that at all. Do you actually have any kind of argument here? Or is it just "I don't like it, so I'll make up a complaint that sounds serious"?

Reread it please...

I've read it twice. You haven't actually articulated an argument. All you've done is made a couple entirely unjustified claims followed by what you think "should" happen.

Let me help you

Why vvardenfell ruins chronology:

Taken from http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info

ESO:M's new tutorial is more open and "in the world" than the Coldharbour prison. Naryu will be your guide.
- If you do ESO:M's tutorial instead of the base game's, once you head to mainland Tamriel you'll start the main storyline, including your death at the hands of Mannimarco, as a main story quest.

- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.

let me quote illsabet "Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.

In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.

Okay, finally you've said "here is a Thing, here is why it's a problem." It's interesting that you quote someone else to do it, but that's neither here nor there.

Nevermind the obvious hyperbole of what amounts to potential continuity issues of a single character "ruining chronology," your assertion that it's even an actual issue is based on nothing but supposition. When we actually have concrete information about Naryu's role in Morrowind and the changes to her dialogue that we see if we do Morrowind first, then you can make some sort of claim. But "this ruins chronology because I think it will despite having no data" isn't a defensible position.

The thing is that if we wait on such a thing and if such a thing is done wrong, zos is unlikely to fix the problem. It is now my hope that they do something right about this connection. as it is right now naryu when you first encounter her in deshaan is new to her job, as ricther said "They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap.". It is my hope that to players starting in vvardenfell this inconsistency is fixed and made so that it fits nicely with if deshaan is not your first meeting.

"If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments." is pretty vague with a rookie deshaan version of naryu and hope they take a time traveler route or not first time doing it route

dodgehopper_ESO

In the Daggerfall storyline you actually do Time Travel. I theorize it has a lot to do with being a Vestige as well. Vestiges are unnatural aedra/daedra fusion-y thingies.

Number_51

aliyavana wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Nothing in your OP actually mentions why this "ruins chronology." You have a whole section headed "Why vvardenfell ruins chronology" which proceeds to... not justify that at all. Do you actually have any kind of argument here? Or is it just "I don't like it, so I'll make up a complaint that sounds serious"?

Reread it please...

I've read it twice. You haven't actually articulated an argument. All you've done is made a couple entirely unjustified claims followed by what you think "should" happen.

Let me help you

Why vvardenfell ruins chronology:

Taken from http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info

ESO:M's new tutorial is more open and "in the world" than the Coldharbour prison. Naryu will be your guide.
- If you do ESO:M's tutorial instead of the base game's, once you head to mainland Tamriel you'll start the main storyline, including your death at the hands of Mannimarco, as a main story quest.

- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.

let me quote illsabet "Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.

In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.

Doesn't the second point

- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.

kind of negate, or at least throw your premise into question? A. Naryu (in the base game) has been re-written. And B. We don't know how or to what extent she has been re-written. At the very least your a little premature as we don't have all the facts yet.

Heroeric1337

The game is not even out yet...Nobody knows exactly how the story is.

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Aliyavana

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Still written as Pelinial in the OP? This lorehound is ready to pounce.

your name is now pelinial and you will like it :P

CasNation

Have people forgotten that the reason the player can't die is because they are made of azure plasma from coldharbor? If the player hasn't gone through this when they go to vvardenfell, then the first time they die it would be permadeath.

Appleblade

I just see ESO as an alternate Nirn. Problem solved, time saved, back to playing.

Aliyavana

CasNation wrote: »

Have people forgotten that the reason the player can't die is because they are made of azure plasma from coldharbor? If the player hasn't gone through this when they go to vvardenfell, then the first time they die it would be permadeath.

I guess people can argue its just gameplay mechanics on that one, but after getting your soul back does the vestige still have the ability to regenerate officially?