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Eso Morrowind RUINS chronology, please make vestige time traveler (Can fit lore wise)
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Time Travelers in lore:
Pelinal Whitestrake
Titus Valarius ( sent forward in time by the warrior in craglorn quest line)
Gameplay mechanics:
The vestige since one tamriel has the ability to go into any zone or faction whether on not he finished the main story at all. For example, if you go from auridon and skip to reapers march, everything will be as if you did do the other zones quests before getting to that zone. you can also go to other zones of another alliance without starting cadwells quests (which shroud your identity) now and they will ignore the fact that you just helped their enemy factions in their goals.
Cadwell's silver and gold lore reason on time travel:
The vestige at the end of the main story line will become the champion of meridia and then will be contacted to meet cadwell and see the world from the other faction's perspective, in a what if scenario. The other factions probably wouldn't have recovered to fight molag bal without the vestiges help in stopping the problems within the factions itself. Cadwell's silver and gold take place at the same time as the vestiges original faction, so it would make sense for the vestige to be a time traveler in three places at once helping strengthen the factions to fight against molag bal.
During dlcs, which should take place after the main storyline, All people you have met in the PAST will recognize you regardless of faction despite cadwell stating no one in the enemy faction will recognize your face.
A fix for post one tamriel chronology:
The vestige upon entering a zone out of chronology, or going to another faction before starting cadwell's silver and gold will be met with the message of "you are blinded by a shining light upon your arrival" Which would hint that the player has time traveled through time thanks to meridia's guidance even if they have yet to have met her in the main story in Coldharbor(which they have in the future)
Why vvardenfell ruins chronology:
Taken from http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info
ESO:M's new tutorial is more open and "in the world" than the Coldharbour prison. Naryu will be your guide.
- If you do ESO:M's tutorial instead of the base game's, once you head to mainland Tamriel you'll start the main storyline, including your death at the hands of Mannimarco, as a main story quest.
- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.
What is the point in chapters if they can happen possibly before the main quest? it is good that the vestige has the power to do the quests unrestricted, but adding a lore reason such as time travel would help in making sense of many plot holes that can happen thanks to freedom to quest as you will.
This makes chronology a lot more redundant if time travel is not to be made canon to the vestiges powers
The vestige should be sent back in time to be killed by mannimarco to fix an error in the time line, if they decide to do vvardenfell before,
naryu should not recognize you but it would be hilarious if she made a comment like "Huh have we met before? I feel like we will be the best of friends if you meet her mainland after vvardenfell
If the vestige can do vvardenfell before main story, why wouldn't molag bal send dark anchors to vvardenfell? of course it would make sense for the vestige to do it after the main story. Unless molag bal is scared by the fact vivec did to him with muatra.
The story should happen like this
Main story (and cadwells silver and gold happening at same time, vestige at 3 places at once) -> Imperial City (to stop planemeld once and for all) -> Craglorn(confirmed after planemeld) ->Orsinium (Prophet warns you of clockwork city and that it will be the last time he will contact you, which fits after main story and imp city but before vvardenfell) -> Dark Brotherhood (Naryu says she will wait for you in vvardenfell so it must be before vvardenfell) -> Vvardenfell. Thieves guild fits anywhere in the story.
But the game is not even out yet! how could you judge!!!!
The thing is that if we wait on such a thing and if such a thing is done wrong, zos is unlikely to fix the problem. It is now my hope that they do something right about this connection. as it is right now naryu when you first encounter her in deshaan is new to her job, as ricther said "They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap.". It is my hope that to players starting in vvardenfell this inconsistency is fixed and made so that it fits nicely with if deshaan is not your first meeting.
Look for example the vanilla quests in rivenspire, no new interactions were added despite the fact you are clearly a vampire everyone talks to you normally and fills you in on details on what vampires are as if you do not know. npcs in stonefalls insult argonians even if you are an argonian and proceed to ask for help, etc. if a mistake happens they are likely to not fix inconsistacies in naryu's dialogue when it ships with evidence from quests currently in the game
Edited by Aliyavana on February 23, 2017 9:36PM Pelinal Whitestrake
Titus Valarius ( sent forward in time by the warrior in craglorn quest line)
Gameplay mechanics:
The vestige since one tamriel has the ability to go into any zone or faction whether on not he finished the main story at all. For example, if you go from auridon and skip to reapers march, everything will be as if you did do the other zones quests before getting to that zone. you can also go to other zones of another alliance without starting cadwells quests (which shroud your identity) now and they will ignore the fact that you just helped their enemy factions in their goals.
Cadwell's silver and gold lore reason on time travel:
The vestige at the end of the main story line will become the champion of meridia and then will be contacted to meet cadwell and see the world from the other faction's perspective, in a what if scenario. The other factions probably wouldn't have recovered to fight molag bal without the vestiges help in stopping the problems within the factions itself. Cadwell's silver and gold take place at the same time as the vestiges original faction, so it would make sense for the vestige to be a time traveler in three places at once helping strengthen the factions to fight against molag bal.
During dlcs, which should take place after the main storyline, All people you have met in the PAST will recognize you regardless of faction despite cadwell stating no one in the enemy faction will recognize your face.
A fix for post one tamriel chronology:
The vestige upon entering a zone out of chronology, or going to another faction before starting cadwell's silver and gold will be met with the message of "you are blinded by a shining light upon your arrival" Which would hint that the player has time traveled through time thanks to meridia's guidance even if they have yet to have met her in the main story in Coldharbor(which they have in the future)
Why vvardenfell ruins chronology:
Taken from http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info
ESO:M's new tutorial is more open and "in the world" than the Coldharbour prison. Naryu will be your guide.
- If you do ESO:M's tutorial instead of the base game's, once you head to mainland Tamriel you'll start the main storyline, including your death at the hands of Mannimarco, as a main story quest.
- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.
What is the point in chapters if they can happen possibly before the main quest? it is good that the vestige has the power to do the quests unrestricted, but adding a lore reason such as time travel would help in making sense of many plot holes that can happen thanks to freedom to quest as you will.
This makes chronology a lot more redundant if time travel is not to be made canon to the vestiges powers
The vestige should be sent back in time to be killed by mannimarco to fix an error in the time line, if they decide to do vvardenfell before,
naryu should not recognize you but it would be hilarious if she made a comment like "Huh have we met before? I feel like we will be the best of friends if you meet her mainland after vvardenfell
If the vestige can do vvardenfell before main story, why wouldn't molag bal send dark anchors to vvardenfell? of course it would make sense for the vestige to do it after the main story. Unless molag bal is scared by the fact vivec did to him with muatra.
The story should happen like this
Main story (and cadwells silver and gold happening at same time, vestige at 3 places at once) -> Imperial City (to stop planemeld once and for all) -> Craglorn(confirmed after planemeld) ->Orsinium (Prophet warns you of clockwork city and that it will be the last time he will contact you, which fits after main story and imp city but before vvardenfell) -> Dark Brotherhood (Naryu says she will wait for you in vvardenfell so it must be before vvardenfell) -> Vvardenfell. Thieves guild fits anywhere in the story.
But the game is not even out yet! how could you judge!!!!
The thing is that if we wait on such a thing and if such a thing is done wrong, zos is unlikely to fix the problem. It is now my hope that they do something right about this connection. as it is right now naryu when you first encounter her in deshaan is new to her job, as ricther said "They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap.". It is my hope that to players starting in vvardenfell this inconsistency is fixed and made so that it fits nicely with if deshaan is not your first meeting.
Look for example the vanilla quests in rivenspire, no new interactions were added despite the fact you are clearly a vampire everyone talks to you normally and fills you in on details on what vampires are as if you do not know. npcs in stonefalls insult argonians even if you are an argonian and proceed to ask for help, etc. if a mistake happens they are likely to not fix inconsistacies in naryu's dialogue when it ships with evidence from quests currently in the game
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My guess is that they pulled in favors from several Daedric Princes to rewrite and rescript Wailing Prison, so I suppose each new chapter will come before the main quest. They have this thing where they think players can't find content. Maybe there are those who can't, but there are probably 8 million players, give or take, that could figure it out, if given the option.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭✭Given that they've set it up so that you get your Molag Bal introduction after Vvardenfell if you do Vvardenfell first, and set it so that if you've got an existing character who's already done Dark Brotherhood (which says Vvardenfell comes later), they must have done something to address the timeline inconsistency.
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✭✭Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.
In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.Ilsabet Menard - DC Breton Nightblade archer - Savior of Pretty Much Everything, Grand Overlord & Empress Nubcakes
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✭✭✭✭✭Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.
In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.
They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap. The seam is never going to be perfect, at least not for those who have already experienced the "before".XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.
In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.
They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap. The seam is never going to be perfect, at least not for those who have already experienced the "before".
That's true, I didn't consider that they might completely change the dialogue for the EP quests if you've already done Morrowind.Ilsabet Menard - DC Breton Nightblade archer - Savior of Pretty Much Everything, Grand Overlord & Empress Nubcakes
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Maybe they've allowed for both situations, depending on what you do first.lordrichter wrote: »
They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap. The seam is never going to be perfect, at least not for those who have already experienced the "before".Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.
In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭Time Travelers in lore:
Pelinial Whitestrake
Titus Valarius ( sent forward in time by the warrior in craglorn quest line)
Gameplay mechanics:
The vestige since one tamriel has the ability to go into any zone or faction whether on not he finished the main story at all. For example, if you go from auridon and skip to reapers march, everything will be as if you did do the other zones quests before getting to that zone. you can also go to other zones of another alliance without starting cadwells quests (which shroud your identity) now and they will ignore the fact that you just helped their enemy factions in their goals.
Cadwell's silver and gold lore reason on time travel:
The vestige at the end of the main story line will become the champion of meridia and then will be contacted to meet cadwell and see the world from the other faction's perspective, in a what if scenario. The other factions probably wouldn't have recovered to fight molag bal without the vestiges help in stopping the problems within the factions itself. Cadwell's silver and gold take place at the same time as the vestiges original faction, so it would make sense for the vestige to be a time traveler in three places at once helping strengthen the factions to fight against molag bal.
During dlcs, which should take place after the main storyline, All people you have met in the PAST will recognize you regardless of faction despite cadwell stating no one in the enemy faction will recognize your face.
A fix for post one tamriel chronology:
The vestige upon entering a zone out of chronology, or going to another faction before starting cadwell's silver and gold will be met with the message of "you are blinded by a shining light upon your arrival" Which would hint that the player has time traveled through time thanks to meridia's guidance even if they have yet to have met her in the main story in Coldharbor(which they have in the future)
Why vvardenfell ruins chronology:
Taken from http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info
ESO:M's new tutorial is more open and "in the world" than the Coldharbour prison. Naryu will be your guide.
- If you do ESO:M's tutorial instead of the base game's, once you head to mainland Tamriel you'll start the main storyline, including your death at the hands of Mannimarco, as a main story quest.
- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.
What is the point in chapters if they can happen possibly before the main quest? it is good that the vestige has the power to do the quests unrestricted, but adding a lore reason such as time travel would help in making sense of many plot holes that can happen thanks to freedom to quest as you will.
This makes chronology a lot more redundant if time travel is not to be made canon to the vestiges powers
The vestige should be sent back in time to be killed by mannimarco to fix an error in the time line, if they decide to do vvardenfell before,
naryu should not recognize you but it would be hilarious if she made a comment like "Huh have we met before? I feel like we will be the best of friends if you meet her mainland after vvardenfell
If the vestige can do vvardenfell before main story, why wouldn't molag bal send dark anchors to vvardenfell? of course it would make sense for the vestige to do it after the main story. Unless molag bal is scared by the fact vivec did to him with muatra.
The story should happen like this
Main story (and cadwells silver and gold happening at same time, vestige at 3 places at once) -> Imperial City (to stop planemeld once and for all) -> Craglorn(confirmed after planemeld) ->Orsinium (Prophet warns you of clockwork city and that it will be the last time he will contact you, which fits after main story and imp city but before vvardenfell) -> Dark Brotherhood (Naryu says she will wait for you in vvardenfell so it must be before vvardenfell) -> Vvardenfell. Thieves guild fits anywhere in the story.
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Maybe they've allowed for both situations, depending on what you do first.lordrichter wrote: »
They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap. The seam is never going to be perfect, at least not for those who have already experienced the "before".Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.
In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.
We know they went back and changed the base game Naryu so that when you encounter her later she knows you from Morrowind. Whether they handle both situations is T.B.D.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭✭"Have you ever played another elders scroll game? Because like it or not its the way the serie always been"[/quote]
Don't mock me like that, of course I have! Eso is different in that it the zones are in chronological order did you bother reading my post or playing through the storyline? auridon is before grahtroot just like reapers march is after malabor. Unlike single player elder scrolls games where the order is of no significance and you can do as you please (dawngaurd can be done after and before main questlordrichter wrote: »Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.
In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.
They had the actress in there, and could have easily "rewritten history" so that when you encounter her later, she is not a noob and this is is not her first assignment. With the sideways approach to these additions to the game, inconsistencies like this will come up any time a character bridges that gap. The seam is never going to be perfect, at least not for those who have already experienced the "before".
I hope this is the route they take if they decide to do thisEdited by Aliyavana on February 23, 2017 7:25PM0 -
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✭✭Who cares, its just do stuff land all over Tamriel. Have fun! I let over 200 years go by in Morrowind resting and passing time. Its meaningless in Scrolls games beside a kind of loose chronology that can be broken at anytime by a Dragon Break.
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✭✭✭✭✭MyNameIsElias wrote: »Wouldn't alduin also be a time traveler if he was sent to the 4th era via the elder scroll
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mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭Nothing in your OP actually mentions why this "ruins chronology." You have a whole section headed "Why vvardenfell ruins chronology" which proceeds to... not justify that at all. Do you actually have any kind of argument here? Or is it just "I don't like it, so I'll make up a complaint that sounds serious"?5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »Nothing in your OP actually mentions why this "ruins chronology." You have a whole section headed "Why vvardenfell ruins chronology" which proceeds to... not justify that at all. Do you actually have any kind of argument here? Or is it just "I don't like it, so I'll make up a complaint that sounds serious"?
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mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »Nothing in your OP actually mentions why this "ruins chronology." You have a whole section headed "Why vvardenfell ruins chronology" which proceeds to... not justify that at all. Do you actually have any kind of argument here? Or is it just "I don't like it, so I'll make up a complaint that sounds serious"?
Reread it please...
I've read it twice. You haven't actually articulated an argument. All you've done is made a couple entirely unjustified claims followed by what you think "should" happen.5 -
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i'm not fully sold on the morrowind expansion for different reasons, but this is a bit rediculousskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
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✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Nothing in your OP actually mentions why this "ruins chronology." You have a whole section headed "Why vvardenfell ruins chronology" which proceeds to... not justify that at all. Do you actually have any kind of argument here? Or is it just "I don't like it, so I'll make up a complaint that sounds serious"?
Reread it please...
I've read it twice. You haven't actually articulated an argument. All you've done is made a couple entirely unjustified claims followed by what you think "should" happen.
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Why vvardenfell ruins chronology:
Taken from http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info
ESO:M's new tutorial is more open and "in the world" than the Coldharbour prison. Naryu will be your guide.
- If you do ESO:M's tutorial instead of the base game's, once you head to mainland Tamriel you'll start the main storyline, including your death at the hands of Mannimarco, as a main story quest.
- If you encounter Naryu in the base game after completing quests involving her in ESO:M, she'll recognize you and your accomplishments.
let me quote illsabet "Naryu's role in all of this is also somewhat problematic if Morrowind is potentially supposed to take place before the main story zones.
In Deshaan she's still kind of a noob assassin, and in Eastmarch she's on her first solo assignment. But it looks like in Morrowind she's considered an elite member of the Morag Tong, suggesting that it's been a while since the EP storyline and she's grown in skills and status since then.0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lorehounds are why we can never have nice things, even when those things are blatant pandering and fanservice
i'm not fully sold on the morrowind expansion for different reasons, but this is a bit rediculous
Lorehounds are why we can keep from absurd things from happening like a my little pony dlc or a dragon mount... which do not fit in lore0 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lorehounds are why we can never have nice things, even when those things are blatant pandering and fanservice
i'm not fully sold on the morrowind expansion for different reasons, but this is a bit rediculous
Lorehounds are why we can keep from absurd things from happening like a my little pony dlc or a dragon mount... which do not fit in lore
what an extreme unrealistic example that would never happen regardless of whether there were people foaming from the mouth at every minor inconsistency or notskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lorehounds are why we can never have nice things, even when those things are blatant pandering and fanservice
i'm not fully sold on the morrowind expansion for different reasons, but this is a bit rediculous
Lorehounds are why we can keep from absurd things from happening like a my little pony dlc or a dragon mount... which do not fit in lore
what an extreme unrealistic example that would never happen regardless of whether there were people foaming from the mouth at every minor inconsistency or not
you would be surprised how many people ask for dragons and dragon mounts both in game and in the forum, or something as absurd as a my little pony mount0 -
Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭This probably won't make it so that ESO morrowond canonically takes place before the main events, but just make it so that it can take place before it and still make sense.
If you do Vvardenfell after all of the other stuff, I'm sure people there will recognize you from your old quests, just like they will if you chose to do it the opposite order. It's interesting that they're actually making this content seemingly truly separate enough from the rest of the game story that it can be done at any time and still make sense.
Naturally we won't know for sure until it's out, but it's looking that way, and I like it.1 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lorehounds are why we can never have nice things, even when those things are blatant pandering and fanservice
i'm not fully sold on the morrowind expansion for different reasons, but this is a bit rediculous
Lorehounds are why we can keep from absurd things from happening like a my little pony dlc or a dragon mount... which do not fit in lore
what an extreme unrealistic example that would never happen regardless of whether there were people foaming from the mouth at every minor inconsistency or not
you would be surprised how many people ask for dragons and dragon mounts both in game and in the forum, or something as absurd as a my little pony mount
well i've never seen requests like that that weren't jokes, soskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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