Math behind damage calculations in ESO.

Kneighbors

So I was experimenting alot with different set combinations last night and finally stumbled upon something I can't really understand.

I am comparing wearing 5 Mother's Sorrow pieces vs 3 Mother's Sorrow pieces + 2 Ilambris.



For the matter of experiment Mother's Sorrow is purple and Ilambris is golden. Suddenly I saw that overall critical spell damage is higher with Ilambris than with Mother's Sorrow.

So I used single Crystal Fragment attack on skeleton and this is the results I got:

Mother's Sorrow 5 pieces: 9715 normal, 15349 critical
Mother's Sorrow 3 pieces + 2 Ilambris: 9977 normal, 15674 critical

How is that possible? The last 2 pieces of Mother's sorrow supposed to give a whooping 2250 Spell critical increase. It's Spell damage oriented set while Ilambris is a proc set. Nevertheless I get higher spell damage and spell critical with Ilambris, not talking about proc of the set.

t3hdubzy

Interested to hear this.

paulsimonps

Is your mundus stone The thief? Cause if it is than the gold divines of your illambris will up your spell crit.

SquareSausage

Spell critical only increases your chance of doing a critical skill not amount of damage it does, so ofc the illambris will do more damage as it provides you with more magicka, and more magicka = more damage.

Your spell critical rating looks off, cant really comment as can only take your word on what you were wearing. is all your mothers sorrow divines? is the shoulder piece of Illambris gold and divines too, thief mundus? Are you wearing atleast 5 pieces of light armour in both scenarios? Light armour spell crit passive at 5 pices.

LordGavus

SquareSausage wrote: »

Spell critical only increases your chance of doing a critical skill not amount of damage it does, so ofc the illambris will do more damage as it provides you with more magicka, and more magicka = more damage.

Your spell critical rating looks off, cant really comment as can only take your word on what you were wearing. is all your mothers sorrow divines? is the shoulder piece of Illambris gold and divines too? Are you wearing atleast 5 pieces of light armour in both scenarios? Light armour spell crit passive at 5 pices.

This.
Also, how many times did you test it? Did you just do one attack for each condition, or do you have a good sample size?

Ishammael

The spell critical stat does not increase critical damage, it increase critical chance.

Kneighbors

Anyone who has Mother's sorrow set can test it. In this scenario I wear 5 pieces BSW + 3 jewels of Mother's sorrow.
The only things I flip is shoulder and head. Ilambris is heavy + medium (but I don't even have undaunted skill yet). When using 5 pieces Mother's sorrow it's all light armor of course. All head and shoulder parts are on mundus. Mundus is thief.

And yeah, I tested it 50 times because I was thinking to buy mother's sorrof inferno staves which have a nice price of 100k for such a useless set.

SquareSausage wrote: »

Spell critical only increases your chance of doing a critical skill not amount of damage it does, so ofc the illambris will do more damage as it provides you with more magicka, and more magicka = more damage.

Your spell critical rating looks off, cant really comment as can only take your word on what you were wearing. is all your mothers sorrow divines? is the shoulder piece of Illambris gold and divines too, thief mundus? Are you wearing atleast 5 pieces of light armour in both scenarios? Light armour spell crit passive at 5 pices.

Notice btw that my total magicka doesnt't have significant difference. 37257 vs 37428. Due to 2 additional light armor pieces. So no, damage scaling of magicka theory won't work here bro. When I go all hardcore bombing the skeleton the difference in dps is several thousands.

I'm pretty much sure Mother's sorrow is not working as advertised. I don't believe that the difference is because of 2 golden vs 2 purple parts. I'm not going to cover Mother's sorrow in gold to see that. (Btw I'm not wearing all golden, legs are purple and jewelry of MS purple)

SquareSausage

The magicka is not very different no, but neither is the damage of the crystal fragment.
The difference in thousands will be because if you are hardcore bombing it as you say, Illambris will be proccing left right and centre.
I cannot comment on your spell critical rating it does seem off, did you add inner light on a bar? What weapon are you using in the test as the set for your Illambris you only fill 10 spots of 11/12?
Your spell crit doees look low if you are running thief, mothers sorrow 5 piece and inner light.

Kneighbors

The staff is Julianos sharp staff. Yea, you are correct, I never saw such a low spell crit rating, only now on skeleton i noticed it's ridiculously low. I will continue testing mothers sorrow today and I will write what I come up with.

Kneighbors

Ok so after running more tests I realised that Spell Critical which Mother's sorrow said to improve = Critical chance. It has nothing to do with damage.

The 5th item bonus is total garbage on Mother's sorrow. Even taking 4 pieces Mother's Sorrow + Molag Kena head will result in higher damage and dps than 5 pieces of Mother's sorrow.

Mother's Sorrow set is dead to me. Its Inferno staves supposed to cost 10k at max, not 100-120k as they are priced today.

Izaki

Kneighbors wrote: »

Ok so after running more tests I realised that Spell Critical which Mother's sorrow said to improve = Critical chance. It has nothing to do with damage.

The 5th item bonus is total garbage on Mother's sorrow. Even taking 4 pieces Mother's Sorrow + Molag Kena head will result in higher damage and dps than 5 pieces of Mother's sorrow.

Mother's Sorrow set is dead to me. Its Inferno staves supposed to cost 10k at max, not 100-120k as they are priced today.

This set used to be great.
The 5pc gives 7% crit chance which is huge. So you're very wrong in thinking that 129 spell damage is better than 7% crit chance. So basically, the real value of this set is in trials, in a group with multiple buffs to your critical damage (minor and major force). Now major force has been nerfed, and we can't rely solely on critical damage.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Kneighbors wrote: »

Ok so after running more tests I realised that Spell Critical which Mother's sorrow said to improve = Critical chance. It has nothing to do with damage.

The 5th item bonus is total garbage on Mother's sorrow. Even taking 4 pieces Mother's Sorrow + Molag Kena head will result in higher damage and dps than 5 pieces of Mother's sorrow.

Mother's Sorrow set is dead to me. Its Inferno staves supposed to cost 10k at max, not 100-120k as they are priced today.

You are looking at it wrong. Mothers five piece is supposed to give you around 7% more crits. This will increase your overall damage in a fight more then the 129 spell damage that kena gives, even if the base damage is less, you are hitting more crits.


Go here and read about how this works- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318595/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/p1

Kneighbors

Yea. My mistake was in thinking that I will actually see increased critical damage while it only improves the chance. While testing dps I saw that Mother's sorrow totally underperforms most other simple combinations. Like 4 Mother's Sorrow + Molag Kena part will result in higher dps than 5 pieces of Mother's Sorrow. I tried even to compare Mother's Sorrow with BSW but this was a joke. It's like over 30% decrease in dps.