Objects going through walls in housing? Chandelier example.

Dragonnord

BigBragg wrote: »

Try place the table under the low hanging chandelier. It would center the room better.

That would patch-solve in this room, but I have two other chandeliers on the main big trophy room with no tables. And the chandeliers look really bad there if lowered down.

Best way would be ZOS providing a version of the chandelier with shorter chain or not letting objects appear on the other side of walls.

Number_51

Yea, that (your 2nd and 3rd screenshots) looks about right for a chandelier over a table. I know yours isn't exactly over the table, that would actually bug me more then the height. If you're lighting a room (as it appears you are doing), or a grand entry, or something, they can be higher, but not as high as in your first screenshot. Somewhere between the two.

Dragonnord

cjthibs wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Take a screenshot of your character standing under it?

@cjthibs, here it is:



Way too low. Chandeliers don't work like this. Not that close to persons.

If I jump, I break it.

ZOS, please fix.

I dunno...that's about the right height for every chandelier I've ever seen.

@cjthibs, wow! Where have you ever seen chandeliers hanging that low?

Even the game has orcish chandeliers in orcish Wrothgar and look at their heights.

One:



Two:



That's how those same orcish chandeliers should look in my orcish house, not almost touching the head of my visitors.

cjthibs

Also, you're trying to compare your dinky house with the King's palace in Wrothgar? That's rich.

Seriously though, I have a chandelier in my dining room that's about 3 inches above my head.

Number_51

Here's some more info:

Hang a chandelier approximately 30 to 34 inches over a table with an 8 foot ceiling height. If your ceiling is higher than 8 feet, mount the chandelier an additional 3 inches higher for each foot of ceiling.

This one probably applies more to your usage - Most rooms call for at least 7 feet of space between the bottom of the chandelier and the floor. A chandelier in a large, two-story foyer would need to hang about 9 feet off the floor, but if your two-story foyer has windows above the ground floor, you should center the chandelier in the windows, so you can see it from the outside.

Just totally ballparking from your screenshots, but looks like you've got maybe 15 foot ceilings, so somewhere in the 7 to 8 foot range would probably look right. Just guessing again, but if your character is 6 feet tall the chandelier in your 3rd screenshot should be a foot or two higher.

Anyway, none of that really addresses your issue. They do need to provide chandeliers with shorter chains or figure out how to not show them coming up through the floor of the second level.

Dragonnord

cjthibs wrote: »

Also, you're trying to compare your dinky house with the King's palace in Wrothgar? That's rich.

Seriously though, I have a chandelier in my dining room that's about 3 inches above my head.

That if you want to put the chandelier to light-decorate a table, not on any other big rooms with no tables.

As mentioned, I have two more chandeliers that don't go over tables, and I don't have a way to place them to correct height unless i patch-cover the chains on the second floor.

Anyways, dead end here I see.

Hope ZOS can provide a shorter chain option.

MissBizz

Chandelier (I guess you could call that) in my RL house hangs above the table. I'm the only person I know who can walk under it (if for some reason we move the table). (PS - yes, I'm short)

It's low.

I get you though, it's annoying. I only have a small single level home and I noticed the "stick to surface" (whatever it's called) made my chandelier REALLY high.. if I had a second floor it definitely would have stuck through. It also has a long chain so no idea why they make it stick to the ceiling half way down the chain...

Dragonnord

OK, so in this other room, where I have no intentions to put tables, I have no option than to remove these two orcish chandeliers from my orcish home? Or, patch the room on the second floor with a table covering the chain, or, lower the chandeliers down to almost touch the floor, or, use whatever other chandelier from other race I don't want? This game can't be this limited.



I hope someone from ZOS reads this and provide a solution on future updates, because, regardless how chandeliers should be placed/look (higher or lower), the chain SHOULD NOT go through walls.

And same as chains, other long objects have the same problem, like pranks for example; I put one inside a watch tower, and when I come out of the tower I can see part of the prank going through the wall outside the tower.

cjthibs

The game isn't limited.
Try using wall sconces...those are deliberately designed to not take up space in the center of a room.

You -have- options.

Dragonnord

cjthibs wrote: »

The game isn't limited.
Try using wall sconces...those are deliberately designed to not take up space in the center of a room.

You -have- options.

You say the game is not limited but, at the same time, you tell me to use "that" because I cannot use "this".

Chandeliers look awesome on ceilings, I'm going for that look. Sconces are a total different look and I'm using them already on the side walls.

I just can hope ZOS provide shorter chains.

Livvy

CarbonX wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

The game isn't limited.
Try using wall sconces...those are deliberately designed to not take up space in the center of a room.

You -have- options.

You say the game is not limited but, at the same time, you tell me to use "that" because I cannot use "this".

Chandeliers look awesome on ceilings, I'm going for that look. Sconces are a total different look and I'm using them already on the side walls.

I just can hope ZOS provide shorter chains.

Not to mention a wall sconce, in a large room, will not light the center of the room.

It is very much needed in some rooms, to have both, IMO.

cjthibs

Livvy wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

The game isn't limited.
Try using wall sconces...those are deliberately designed to not take up space in the center of a room.

You -have- options.

You say the game is not limited but, at the same time, you tell me to use "that" because I cannot use "this".

Chandeliers look awesome on ceilings, I'm going for that look. Sconces are a total different look and I'm using them already on the side walls.

I just can hope ZOS provide shorter chains.

Not to mention a wall sconce, in a large room, will not light the center of the room.

It is very much needed in some rooms, to have both, IMO.

Wall sconces. Tabletop braziers. Candles. TONS of options for lighting a room, both the sides and center.

Also, I have chandeliers in the center of rooms...I can manage to get them a bit higher without putting them too high, and without chains being exposed on the top floor.

Dragonnord

cjthibs wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

The game isn't limited.
Try using wall sconces...those are deliberately designed to not take up space in the center of a room.

You -have- options.

You say the game is not limited but, at the same time, you tell me to use "that" because I cannot use "this".

Chandeliers look awesome on ceilings, I'm going for that look. Sconces are a total different look and I'm using them already on the side walls.

I just can hope ZOS provide shorter chains.

Not to mention a wall sconce, in a large room, will not light the center of the room.

It is very much needed in some rooms, to have both, IMO.

Wall sconces. Tabletop braziers. Candles. TONS of options for lighting a room, both the sides and center.

Also, I have chandeliers in the center of rooms...I can manage to get them a bit higher without putting them too high, and without chains being exposed on the top floor.

I'd appreciate your home screenshots when possible. That may help.

Rouven

Behold!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8010lQjTy7c

Gotta ask the pro's.

cjthibs

CarbonX wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

The game isn't limited.
Try using wall sconces...those are deliberately designed to not take up space in the center of a room.

You -have- options.

You say the game is not limited but, at the same time, you tell me to use "that" because I cannot use "this".

Chandeliers look awesome on ceilings, I'm going for that look. Sconces are a total different look and I'm using them already on the side walls.

I just can hope ZOS provide shorter chains.

Not to mention a wall sconce, in a large room, will not light the center of the room.

It is very much needed in some rooms, to have both, IMO.

Wall sconces. Tabletop braziers. Candles. TONS of options for lighting a room, both the sides and center.

Also, I have chandeliers in the center of rooms...I can manage to get them a bit higher without putting them too high, and without chains being exposed on the top floor.

I'd appreciate your home screenshots when possible. That may help.

Of course. Still at work for a few more hours.

I've got a few different lighting schemes going on, but my entryway is mostly chandeliers.

Livvy

cjthibs wrote: »

Wall sconces. Tabletop braziers. Candles. TONS of options for lighting a room, both the sides and center.

Also, I have chandeliers in the center of rooms...I can manage to get them a bit higher without putting them too high, and without chains being exposed on the top floor.

Wall Sconces: No walls in the center of a room

Tabletop Braziers: Not everyone wants a table in the center of their room

Candles: Not everyone wants candles sitting on the floor in the center of their room

Sure, there are tons of options for lighting a room. But nothing I have seen serves the same purpose as a chandelier, in regard to keeping the center of the room both lighted, and open.

And the fact the chandeliers work in your particular house, and for the particular way you are decorating, doesn't mean they work for every type of house or for everyone.

cjthibs

There are plenty of braziers meant to sit on the floor as well.

Claire

It's just a ploy to get you to spend money on appearance tokens to make your characters shorter.

Livvy

cjthibs wrote: »

There are plenty of braziers meant to sit on the floor as well.

But that is the whole point... Many people don't want something, no matter what it is, sitting on the floor in the center of some rooms.

cjthibs

Livvy wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

There are plenty of braziers meant to sit on the floor as well.

But that is the whole point... Many people don't want something, no matter what it is, sitting on the floor in the center of some rooms.

Then experiment with chandeliers until you find the right one. They do exist.

I've got a maxed-out tall Nord who still has clearance under chandeliers, as I stated above.

Livvy

cjthibs wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

There are plenty of braziers meant to sit on the floor as well.

But that is the whole point... Many people don't want something, no matter what it is, sitting on the floor in the center of some rooms.

Then experiment with chandeliers until you find the right one. They do exist.

I've got a maxed-out tall Nord who still has clearance under chandeliers, as I stated above.

I've done plenty of experiments, and the ones that are appealing to me, do not work.

My point from the start has been, it's a shame to have to choose a chandelier I don't like, just to get the right length chain.

I guess I don't really understand the argument against those that wish the chandeliers they liked didn't have such long chains, or were adjustable in some way...

Nobody is arguing the fact they can find a different way to light their room. The point is, we wish we didn't have to.

Gargath

Objects going through the walls aren't big issue, greater problem is when you can't pick the items back from wall because it was placed after an invisible border of the housing. It's quite annoying tbh.

cjthibs

Gargath wrote: »

Objects going through the walls aren't big issue, greater problem is when you can't pick the items back from wall because it was placed after an invisible border of the housing. It's quite annoying tbh.

There is an option in the Housing menu to retrieve items. You can browse through a list and fetch them.

Claire

cjthibs wrote: »

There is an option in the Housing menu to retrieve items. You can browse through a list and fetch them.

And the "retrieve" list is sorted by the object' s distance from your current position. If you know approximately where you misplaced the item, it can be recovered pretty quickly, even if you have several of the same type in your house.

cjthibs

There is no chain visible on the second floor, and plenty of headroom on both of these styles of chandelier.

Granted, this is Mournoth Keep, the medium orc house...and I think the ceiling might be a tad higher strangely enough.

Even this one...

...has plenty of room.

RoseVex

I came up with this solution on the PTS in Ebonheart Chateau. I hid the chain from the chandelier in the room below under one of those pillars.

Duiwel

OP you're lucky there are no firemen in Tamriel because that is a code 6 violation right there! Deliberate fire hazard...

I should have the guards arrest you!

Dragonnord

Duiwel wrote: »

OP you're lucky there are no firemen in Tamriel because that is a code 6 violation right there! Deliberate fire hazard...

I should have the guards arrest you!

Stop saying nonsense! I present a problem and there is always someone saying nonsense.

Look at the screenshow below, it is taken from ZOS Mournoth Keep home preview with furniture. ZOS made it, not me, and look at the chandelier, it's close to the ceiling. And the ceiling is even made with wood! And ZOS still put the chandelier close to the wood. So what? Belive me your monitor or screen will not burn.

Dragonnord

cjthibs wrote: »

There is no chain visible on the second floor, and plenty of headroom on both of these styles of chandelier.

Granted, this is Mournoth Keep, the medium orc house...and I think the ceiling might be a tad higher strangely enough.

Even this one...

...has plenty of room.

The first picture has the same chandelier I use and there is no way the chain doesn't appear on upper floor unless you put something to cover it or you were lucky and it goes through a wall, column, pilar or something. The chain is way too long. In my screenshot I put the chandelier as higher as possible without the chain appearing on upper floor, and my chandelier is a lot lower than yours. So no way your chandelier can be that high with the chain not appearing on the second floor. I tested in several ways and tried different options from hours. No current way...

Pops_ND_Irish

Put it over the table