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Youre forcing me to Sub for the Bag arent you?
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Personally, I just sub for the costume dyeing..."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Afaik furnishings don't go into the crafting bag. I bought a tree and bush pack and they all went into my inventory rather than my crafting bag.PC | EU0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
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Speaking of the basics of finance, an MMO sub is not an investment. It's payment for access to a service. Two different things.*** lol, they halved the amount of furnishing you can have in a manor if you arent a ESO+ member too. Such BS and do you know what? Ill find a way to make it happen and will not become a + memeber.
No they have not. They have doubled the amount of furnishing for ESO+ members and not halved it for everyone else, as you state.
People who sub, especially those with 180 day membership, deserve something for their investment and the risk they take. In the real world, an investor usually expects a financial return on their investment.That is one of the basics of finance. Those of us making subscriptions, do not expect a financial reward. I see nothing at all wrong in getting a few perks for our loyalty to the game.
One does not need to take out a sub to gain access to the service. If that were the case, evryone would have to sub.
The money from subs, is money up-front, that the developers use to help keep the game going. They are the equvalent to a loan.
Yes you are paying for access to a service. You're assuming that the service Rosveen was referring to is access to the game itself, but access to the crafting bag, the XP bonus and the other perks of subscribing are also classified as a service (if you don't believe me you can use the link at the bottom of the page to check the EULA).
It is not in any way a loan because ZOS are never going to pay back the money you have given them. There isn't even an expectation that they will pay it back. You're probably going to say they're paying it back by using the money to maintain and develop the game, but that is also not a loan - it's paying for access to a service. Just like paying for your internet access.
It's also not a financial investment for the exact same reason - you're not going to get the money back, you're certainly not going to get a profit or any control over the company. You are going to get the service you purchased (unless you're on Xbox, then it's a bit hit or miss), but that's all.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is there a day that goes by where we don't see someone accusing ZOS of "forcing" people to play their videogame? You may very well have cogent viewpoints OP. The minute you used the word "force" though is the minute nobody can take you seriously.
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ChildOfLight✭✭✭*** lol, they halved the amount of furnishing you can have in a manor if you arent a ESO+ member too. Such BS and do you know what? Ill find a way to make it happen and will not become a + memeber.
No they have not. They have doubled the amount of furnishing for ESO+ members and not halved it for everyone else, as you state.
People who sub, especially those with 180 day membership, deserve something for their investment and the risk they take. In the real world, an investor usually expects a financial return on their investment.That is one of the basics of finance. Those of us making subscriptions, do not expect a financial reward. I see nothing at all wrong in getting a few perks for our loyalty to the game.
Investement, risk, financial returns...
What are you talking about?
As unsub, I contribute as much as you do keeping the lights on, with my Crowns periodic purchases.
The only difference between me and you is that I can't play all the days, all the day. Not how much money we throw at it.
But I (and like me a good amount of this community) am getting heavily punished for this, not being able to access a base game feature like the craft bag is.
And this is a clear sign of bad health for a game.Edited by ChildOfLight on February 22, 2017 11:56PMPC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭Zeni forces me. Hurry before they catch me typing this mes#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Tai-Chi✭✭✭✭
Speaking of the basics of finance, an MMO sub is not an investment. It's payment for access to a service. Two different things.*** lol, they halved the amount of furnishing you can have in a manor if you arent a ESO+ member too. Such BS and do you know what? Ill find a way to make it happen and will not become a + memeber.
No they have not. They have doubled the amount of furnishing for ESO+ members and not halved it for everyone else, as you state.
People who sub, especially those with 180 day membership, deserve something for their investment and the risk they take. In the real world, an investor usually expects a financial return on their investment.That is one of the basics of finance. Those of us making subscriptions, do not expect a financial reward. I see nothing at all wrong in getting a few perks for our loyalty to the game.
One does not need to take out a sub to gain access to the service. If that were the case, evryone would have to sub.
The money from subs, is money up-front, that the developers use to help keep the game going. They are the equvalent to a loan.
Yes you are paying for access to a service. You're assuming that the service Rosveen was referring to is access to the game itself, but access to the crafting bag, the XP bonus and the other perks of subscribing are also classified as a service (if you don't believe me you can use the link at the bottom of the page to check the EULA).
It is not in any way a loan because ZOS are never going to pay back the money you have given them. There isn't even an expectation that they will pay it back. You're probably going to say they're paying it back by using the money to maintain and develop the game, but that is also not a loan - it's paying for access to a service. Just like paying for your internet access.
It's also not a financial investment for the exact same reason - you're not going to get the money back, you're certainly not going to get a profit or any control over the company. You are going to get the service you purchased (unless you're on Xbox, then it's a bit hit or miss), but that's all.
It is obvious that you have not read the full back-thread of this discussion.
At the very outset, I stated that the people who sub do not expect a financial reward. I never said that it was a financial investment - only an investment - and further along I did not say it was a loan - only that it is equvalent to a loan.
The main point I was making was in response to mb10's comment at point #6. I was correcting his belief that ZOS had halved the amount of furnishing slots for non-sub players. What followed was by way of analogy, in order to justify why (in my opinion) increasing the amount of furnishing slots, for those who sub, is ok.
You may or may not agree and that is your prerogative. I am not here to convert anyone.
If you would like to open a new line of discussion on the semantics of the meaning of "investment", then please feel free to do so but I am not prepared to troll this line of discussion any further because it is irrelevant to the main discussion.
I have a game to play, so I wish you good-day and good luck in your adventures in Tamriel.PC - EU (Main) & PC - NA0 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭...I did not say it was a loan - only that it is equvalent to a loan.
...If you would like to open a new line of discussion on the semantics of the meaning of "investment", ...
Nah. I personally though would like to take issue with your use of the word "equivalent".e·quiv·a·lent - adjective - 1. equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc.
When you say:"I did not say it was a loan - only that it is equvalent to a loan."
by definition of the word "equivalent", you are actually saying:"I did not say it was a loan - only that it was a loan."
It's not "semantics" when a word is clearly being misused/misapplied.Edited by AlMcFly on February 23, 2017 1:10AM0 -
acw37162✭✭✭✭✭
✭Force, No.
Decide, Yes.
No one has a gun to your head or is threatening your family if you don't subscribe. It's the only thing currently giving subscribers anything of value.0 -
Sinthrax✭✭✭✭ChildOfLight wrote: »*** lol, they halved the amount of furnishing you can have in a manor if you arent a ESO+ member too. Such BS and do you know what? Ill find a way to make it happen and will not become a + memeber.
No they have not. They have doubled the amount of furnishing for ESO+ members and not halved it for everyone else, as you state.
People who sub, especially those with 180 day membership, deserve something for their investment and the risk they take. In the real world, an investor usually expects a financial return on their investment.That is one of the basics of finance. Those of us making subscriptions, do not expect a financial reward. I see nothing at all wrong in getting a few perks for our loyalty to the game.
Investement, risk, financial returns...
What are you talking about?
As unsub, I contribute as much as you do keeping the lights on, with my Crowns periodic purchases.
The only difference between me and you is that I can't play all the days, all the day. Not how much money we throw at it.
But I (and like me a good amount of this community) am getting heavily punished for this, not being able to access a base game feature like the craft bag is.
And this is a clear sign of bad health for a game.
If you are truly buying crowns...then just sub. No one cares that you spend money in the crown store. It is part of the sub... I want that cool mount in the crown crates but I am not going to come to the forums and complain everyday until they give it away free because I sub. It is not a sub perk so I accept it.
And it is a clear sign that they need to make the sub worth it to people. Right now they have be subbing and you crowning. So they still getting your money with no bag. I am sure they feel ok with that....I know I do because I understand the perks of the sub and the crown store. There PLENTY of items I am ticked that are crown store only. I say take the crown store away and sub or don't play.
Oh, and I feel like I am getting heavily punished because there is plenty on the crown store I want but can't get with the few crowns I get monthly. I am the one getting punished....so take your crown store and free game and keep screwing over the people that sub.
Now, see that is the way I feel.......we both have sad stories and the bottom line is we both know what we paying for or not...so the real decision is up to us. Play or don't.Edited by Sinthrax on February 23, 2017 1:23AM1 -
Synfaer✭✭✭✭✭Basically you have three choices;
1. You can pay a regular fee to play the game and get all the perks.
2. You can play the game for FREE and not expect to get all the perks.
3. Complain on the forums that you should be able to have 1. but do 2.
If you do the math, and calculate how many hours you play a month and then divide that by the cost you pay for playing the game, it works out as pretty cheap entertainment. If you don't think its cheap or that its entertainment then just move along and find something that suits your budget & leisure expectations.1 -
Tai-Chi✭✭✭✭...I did not say it was a loan - only that it is equvalent to a loan.
...If you would like to open a new line of discussion on the semantics of the meaning of "investment", ...
Nah. I personally though would like to take issue with your use of the word "equivalent".e·quiv·a·lent - adjective - 1. equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc.
When you say:"I did not say it was a loan - only that it is equvalent to a loan."
by definition of the word "equivalent", you are actually saying:"I did not say it was a loan - only that it was a loan."
It's not "semantics" when a word is clearly being misused/misapplied.
Oh dear, I forgot to 'embolden' the "to" following "equivalent" and I missed the "i" out as well in one place. I do apologise if that got you confused. I wrote "equivalent to", which you will find is not misapplied.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Basically you have three choices;
1. You can pay a regular fee to play the game and get all the perks.
2. You can play the game for FREE and not expect to get all the perks.
3. Complain on the forums that you should be able to have 1. but do 2.
If you do the math, and calculate how many hours you play a month and then divide that by the cost you pay for playing the game, it works out as pretty cheap entertainment. If you don't think its cheap or that its entertainment then just move along and find something that suits your budget & leisure expectations.
It's even more simple than that. If you need 1500 crowns - then sub for that month. The prices for the crowns and the one month sub are the same. But you get the benefits of ESO+ for that month too.
@FriedEggSandwich True. Furnishing stays in your ordinary inventory. But his non-sub inventory is cluttered with rubedite ore and Arcai Berries. Stuff that would go into the crafting bag and opens up space for more furnishing.0 -
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✭The bag is totally worth it for so many reasons. My quality of gaming life went WAY up after subbing. After becoming used to such convenience I don't know if I could ever go back to a non-sub.0 -
DeusExMachina✭✭✭...I did not say it was a loan - only that it is equvalent to a loan.
...If you would like to open a new line of discussion on the semantics of the meaning of "investment", ...
Nah. I personally though would like to take issue with your use of the word "equivalent".e·quiv·a·lent - adjective - 1. equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc.
When you say:"I did not say it was a loan - only that it is equvalent to a loan."
by definition of the word "equivalent", you are actually saying:"I did not say it was a loan - only that it was a loan."
It's not "semantics" when a word is clearly being misused/misapplied.
Oh dear, I forgot to 'embolden' the "to" following "equivalent" and I missed the "i" out as well in one place. I do apologise if that got you confused. I wrote "equivalent to", which you will find is not misapplied.
Lmfao just give up dude. You lost.Edited by DeusExMachina on February 23, 2017 9:51AM1 -
Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭I read today interview about Morrowind and they told they have alot of ideas floating around to improve the sub. We will see something to do with Furnitures first.Edited by Sausage on February 23, 2017 9:53AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They are looking for ideas to make the sub better in the top thread . When they finally do make it better , I'll resubscribe . Until then , ya furniture sucks to store . At least most of it stacks . They should increase storage or lower the cost Ingame to unlock more storage . In fact that would be best . Stop charging 50k plus for max storage spaces on characters . That's why no one maxes out Ingame . The horse takes half a year to fully upgrade . Lower the cost on Ingame storage ZoS .0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Basically you have three choices;
1. You can pay a regular fee to play the game and get all the perks.
2. You can play the game for FREE and not expect to get all the perks.
3. Complain on the forums that you should be able to have 1. but do 2.
If you do the math, and calculate how many hours you play a month and then divide that by the cost you pay for playing the game, it works out as pretty cheap entertainment. If you don't think its cheap or that its entertainment then just move along and find something that suits your budget & leisure expectations.
It's even more simple than that. If you need 1500 crowns - then sub for that month. The prices for the crowns and the one month sub are the same. But you get the benefits of ESO+ for that month too.
@FriedEggSandwich True. Furnishing stays in your ordinary inventory. But his non-sub inventory is cluttered with rubedite ore and Arcai Berries. Stuff that would go into the crafting bag and opens up space for more furnishing.
The problem with this for me is that the crowns are cheaper if you buy a 5,500 pack. So for me it's a trade-off - do I want cheaper crowns (and therefore cheaper crown store items) or do I want the extra bits from subscribing?
In most cases that's a simple question for me - I already have the DLC, don't need extra XP and not having the craft bag doesn't bother me so I get the cheaper crowns. I did buy a sub one month because I wanted to dye my costumes, and I'll probably buy another month at some point after Morrowind is released so I can dye my wardens costumes (and my sorcerers since I didn't have him at the time).
I can't imagine they'd ever get everyone to subscribe because whatever they add it's never going to be worthwhile for everyone.
Although if they introduced some kind of 'pay as you go' system where you buy a certain number of hours and the time is only used up while you're actually in the game...that might get me to sub because then I wouldn't have to worry about 'wasting it' (like when I bought that 30 days and got to play for about 10 hours).PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So what your saying is you dont like that you cant have more bank space and more gold and more items easily and just shouldn't be asked to inconvenience yourself by using a mule.
Exactly.
Any game that requires you to use Mules has fundamentally failed at Inventory Management.
I don't need Mules in LOTRO, WOW, WIldstar, SWTOR, or Conan - just off the top of my head.
Without the Craft Bag I had 4 Mules in ESO. That's a Fail.
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