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Question about removing Master Merchant data

Annalyse
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I have been having a lot of issues with MM lately. It got to the point where I couldn't load characters in at all until I delayed initialization. It then loads up 568 days of items for me even though I reduced sales history to 15. What I would like to know is if there is a way to remove all of the older data but still leave two weeks worth or so? I don't want to reset and clear all of it because I use it to keep track of a number of things, but I don't really need data beyond a couple of weeks.

I posted on the MM site but just thought I would ask here in case anyone had experience with this.
  • Slammer99uk
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    Why do you not want to reset it? As far as I am aware resetting MM clears out all data older than 14 days?
  • Cherryblossom
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    Annalyse wrote: »
    I have been having a lot of issues with MM lately. It got to the point where I couldn't load characters in at all until I delayed initialization. It then loads up 568 days of items for me even though I reduced sales history to 15. What I would like to know is if there is a way to remove all of the older data but still leave two weeks worth or so? I don't want to reset and clear all of it because I use it to keep track of a number of things, but I don't really need data beyond a couple of weeks.

    I posted on the MM site but just thought I would ask here in case anyone had experience with this.

    @Annalyse

    Blobsky gives a good guide to using the tool.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Su6bdzUobdI
  • Annalyse
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    Why do you not want to reset it? As far as I am aware resetting MM clears out all data older than 14 days?

    I didn't want to reset it without knowing what it would keep. I was concerned that a reset would wipe everything and start fresh, but I need to keep track of a few things so a couple of weeks worth of sales is a necessity. If it keeps that then I'm good!


    Annalyse wrote: »
    I have been having a lot of issues with MM lately. It got to the point where I couldn't load characters in at all until I delayed initialization. It then loads up 568 days of items for me even though I reduced sales history to 15. What I would like to know is if there is a way to remove all of the older data but still leave two weeks worth or so? I don't want to reset and clear all of it because I use it to keep track of a number of things, but I don't really need data beyond a couple of weeks.

    I posted on the MM site but just thought I would ask here in case anyone had experience with this.

    @Annalyse

    Blobsky gives a good guide to using the tool.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Su6bdzUobdI

    Thank you!

    Edit: just watched that and unfortunately he doesn't say anything about the reset function or clearing older data. I guess I will have to just try a reset and hope for the best.
    Edited by Annalyse on February 21, 2017 5:18PM
  • Annalyse
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    Just a note in case anyone else was wondering the same thing - reset will wipe everything but then restore 10 days worth of sales data. A bit lower than I'd hoped for but at least things are running very smoothly now.

    I just wish MM had a setting to keep it from storing that much data in the first place. I'd love for it to stick to around 30 days.
  • Iyas
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    Annalyse wrote: »
    Just a note in case anyone else was wondering the same thing - reset will wipe everything but then restore 10 days worth of sales data. A bit lower than I'd hoped for but at least things are running very smoothly now.

    I just wish MM had a setting to keep it from storing that much data in the first place. I'd love for it to stick to around 30 days.

    Have the same problems with the loading problems. Ill try to reset the data too. Thanks in advance
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  • Kylric
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    I was having the same problem and did a reset as well. It resolved the problem. I think it's trying to read and update data as the game is loading, which causes the issue. Hecl if I know for sure, but doing a rest helped.
  • calia1120
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    well, even if you reset, a fresh scan would pull from the server history, which is about 10 days worth of data.
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  • calia1120
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    so what you would want to do is change your settings to the new ones that you want for the lower thresholds for keeping data, and then do the reset.
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  • Annalyse
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    calia1120 wrote: »
    so what you would want to do is change your settings to the new ones that you want for the lower thresholds for keeping data, and then do the reset.

    How do you do that? I have looked everywhere trying to figure out how to make it hold less data. I would love it if it dumped sales data older than 30 days.

    The reset keeping 10 days worth of data I don't mind. I need at least 10 days worth to track my sales in certain items. But I don't want it to keep piling up to 500 days worth like it did before (though at least I know now I can periodically reset if need be).
    Edited by Annalyse on February 27, 2017 5:07PM
  • calia1120
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    I'm at work, will screen clip when I get home.
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  • Annalyse
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    calia1120 wrote: »
    I'm at work, will screen clip when I get home.

    If the setting you mean is the sales history one, mine has been set to 30 since I started (I think that is the default). I tried lowering it thinking it might affect that, but it looks like it only affects the max number of days it will show when you look at the data of an item. I couldn't find anything else that related to sales data in the settings but I did try playing around with a few things.
  • calia1120
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    Sales History Size is the one you want to adjust - it's how many days worth of sales data to keep. The tooltip even tells you that lowering it may reduce the performance impact of the addon.
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  • calia1120
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    Depending on how busy your guilds are, even 30 days can potentially be a LOT of transactions.
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  • Soella
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    You can setup min and max count for each items. Keeping max count reasonably low helps a lot with performance and allow to keep long enough history for low traffic items
    Edited by Soella on March 3, 2017 3:20AM
  • Annalyse
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    calia1120 wrote: »
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    Sales History Size is the one you want to adjust - it's how many days worth of sales data to keep. The tooltip even tells you that lowering it may reduce the performance impact of the addon.

    But mine has always been set to 30 and it was saving 500 days of sales. That is the problem. I want it to save 30 only. I even changed Sales History Size to 15 to see if that would fix things but it doesn't seem to change anything. It has saved more than 15 days worth already.
    Soella wrote: »
    You can setup min and max count for each items. Keeping max count reasonably low helps a lot with performance and allow to keep long enough history for low traffic items

    I have done that also and it helps some, but it still saves the small amounts of items for literally years unless you reset it. My 500 day old sales were all generally unique items, but there were still a lot of them. I wish there was an option to stop that!
    Edited by Annalyse on March 3, 2017 3:31AM
  • Annalyse
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    Seems that all I can do is reset every couple of months to keep data from piling up.

    Edit: meant to add this to the previous comment but accidentally posted a new one instead. Wish we had a delete function.

    Edited by Annalyse on March 3, 2017 3:24AM
  • WyndStryke
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    Annalyse wrote: »

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    But mine has always been set to 30 and it was saving 500 days of sales. That is the problem. I want it to save 30 only. I even changed Sales History Size to 15 to see if that would fix things but it doesn't seem to change anything. It has saved more than 15 days worth already.

    I think that's because you haven't reached the minimum items limit yet. For the data to expire, it needs to exceed the maximum days and also have reached the minimum items limit. So low volume items tend to stick around forever unless you reduce that limit too. In theory changing minimum items to 0 or maybe 1 should have the effect of making the maximum days a hard limit (haven't tried it so not 100% sure - I actually like to retain a little data for these low volume items).


    Edited by WyndStryke on March 10, 2017 11:45AM
  • Annalyse
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    WyndStryke wrote: »
    Annalyse wrote: »

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    But mine has always been set to 30 and it was saving 500 days of sales. That is the problem. I want it to save 30 only. I even changed Sales History Size to 15 to see if that would fix things but it doesn't seem to change anything. It has saved more than 15 days worth already.

    I think that's because you haven't reached the minimum items limit yet. For the data to expire, it needs to exceed the maximum days and also have reached the minimum items limit. So low volume items tend to stick around forever unless you reduce that limit too. In theory changing minimum items to 0 or maybe 1 should have the effect of making the maximum days a hard limit (haven't tried it so not 100% sure - I actually like to retain a little data for these low volume items).


    I do definitely need to retain a certain amount of sales data. I'd need at least two weeks worth of data, but I sell a lot of crafted items in all of my guilds so it is possible to sell the same thing 5 times in a day. Thus I'm worried that if I set the minimum items limit too low, I will lose data on those sales - I'm not sure how it works. If it just set the maximum days as the hard limit that would work, but I've been nervous about playing around with it and potentially losing data that is necessary for me to maintain my sales. That said, if it did remove such data, I guess I could probably revert it by changing settings and doing a reset? Maybe I will test it out later.
  • Annalyse
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    Just as a note - I tried changing minimum items to the lowest (1) and having sales data at 20 days, but it changed nothing. I then tried also setting maximum items to the lowest (100) and still no change - 27 days of sales kept. This included reloading the ui between changes, and relogging once in case that made a difference.

    So honestly, I'm still unsure as to what those settings do. But it doesn't seem to help with my issue - I'll just have to do a reset once a month or so to clear the old data I suppose.
  • FLambda
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    Annalyse wrote: »
    Just as a note - I tried changing minimum items to the lowest (1) and having sales data at 20 days, but it changed nothing. I then tried also setting maximum items to the lowest (100) and still no change - 27 days of sales kept. This included reloading the ui between changes, and relogging once in case that made a difference.

    So honestly, I'm still unsure as to what those settings do. But it doesn't seem to help with my issue - I'll just have to do a reset once a month or so to clear the old data I suppose.
    If you change minimum items to 1, then it will keep exactly 1 of every item that hasn't sold within your max time. If you change minimum items to 0, then it will keep nothing older than your max time. The problem then is that some things rarely sell, so you won't have any data at all on them.
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  • Annalyse
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    FLambda wrote: »
    Annalyse wrote: »
    Just as a note - I tried changing minimum items to the lowest (1) and having sales data at 20 days, but it changed nothing. I then tried also setting maximum items to the lowest (100) and still no change - 27 days of sales kept. This included reloading the ui between changes, and relogging once in case that made a difference.

    So honestly, I'm still unsure as to what those settings do. But it doesn't seem to help with my issue - I'll just have to do a reset once a month or so to clear the old data I suppose.
    If you change minimum items to 1, then it will keep exactly 1 of every item that hasn't sold within your max time. If you change minimum items to 0, then it will keep nothing older than your max time. The problem then is that some things rarely sell, so you won't have any data at all on them.

    I don't look at data beyond the 30 day period anyway. Prices change too much. But the slider only went to 1 for me in minimum items and wouldn't let me choose 0. And when I did set it to 1 it didn't change anything at all - even with sales history set to 20 days, the later days of sales that it had retained still had multiple of the same item (I sell a lot of crafted gear in multiple guilds so it is not uncommon to have 4 of the same thing sold in a day). This after both reloading the ui and relogging.

    Maybe mine is just having issues? I wish the settings were less confusing. I don't like having to cut to 10 days of sales every month with a reset but nothing I try to keep it from going beyond 30 days seems to work.

  • codybrewer78b14_ESO
    I am having this exact same problem. No matter what I change the settings to MM just keeps collecting data. I even tried uninstalling the add on and reinstalling. It still does it. I think the program is bugged or something. I will have to continue to reset as well to keep from running out of memory when the data reaches like 2 months or so.
  • Flameheart
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    This was immense helpful. After Clockwork City and after joining 4 very large and competetive trading guilds with loads of sales I experienced severe log in time outs after a while. As there was CwC as a new DLC and many outdated addons it was rather difficult what was causing this.

    Now I know that over 750k sales data in MM is far too much. I resetted it (10 days sales info in good trading guilds is pretty sufficient to get a clue about the most important item prices) and delayed in addition initialization. The log in problems vanished from one second to another.
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  • abigfishy
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    I know this is a bit of a Necro but Flameheart how did you get it to work? I am in the same situation Annalyse is in. No matter what variables I change it still stores insane amounts of data and makes the whole game unplayable including an incredibly slow log in that often times out.

    I have tried:
    /mm clear
    /mm clearprices
    all the other /mm commands that come up when you type /mm help
    change the times in the setting box to 14 days
    changed sales history size
    changed minimum to keep
    changed maximum to keep

    relogged, reloaded, restarted dozens of times.

    From my point of view none of these changes have done anything and I am at the point where I can play the MM game or ESO.

    My current workaround is to have it off by default but every few days grab all the items I want to sell. Log out. Switch off the game. Reset the entire computer. Restart and reload. Once I am loaded into my character reactivate MM and reloadui. I will be at about 1 frame per two seconds, but can VERY slowly do my sales. Buying stuff is a nightmare.

    Can anyone PLEASE let me know how to make MM work properly?

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  • Ramber
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    Has there ever been a fix for this? mine is set to 15 days down from 30 and it still have history from like 270 days old at times. there is no reset still for this add on and deleting all the files/temp files does nothing to help as i have dont that 3 times in the last year. i guess its just a teaser button lol. thanks for any advice or info that would keep me from seeing months old data other then shift key as the amount of data is the problem with the delays and fps problems caused by this app.
  • Wintergreen
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    I've been turning off MM except for when I'm making a bank/sell stuff run. Seems to help a good deal.
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