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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭Ok, to give even more clarity, a 'friend' works in an IT department and does software/hardware maintenance all the time and the Software Tool used to plan the 'maintenance windows' simply won't accept a 'maintenance plan' without an 'expected end-time'
Secondly - it will be laughed out of town to attempt software/hardware maintenance without planning an expected end time.
Of cooourse, Zenny has an expected endtime - they are simply not providing it, nor are they therefore answerable to it.
Again, a lazy lazy approach - this is a 'dumb deal'!Edited by StackonClown on February 20, 2017 11:11AM0 -
ItsMeToo✭✭✭✭✭The horse is dead now.FYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
Example: There were hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith in Star Wars. The Jedi wanted, "Balance in the Force" and they got it. Now there are only two Jedi and two Sith.
Balance is a "Bad" thing.Is the glass half full or half empty?
I say, "Get a smaller glass."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »Ok, to give even more clarity, a 'friend' works in an IT department and does software maintenance all the time and the Software Tool used to plan the 'maintenance windows' simply won't accept a 'maintenance plan' without an 'expected end-time'
Secondly - it will be laughed out of town to attempt software maintenance without planning an expected end time.
Of cooourse, Zenny has an expected endtime - they are simply not providing it, nor are they therefore answerable to it.
Again, a lazy lazy approach - this is a 'dumb deal'!
Well you seem to be the expert in this discussion and know how ZOS should be running their business.
If the deals that bad then find another game or cancel your ESO+ so you're not paying for a service you're not happy with.
If as I suspect you really love this game but it turns out you're just grumpy because your night was interrupted by unexpected events, then keep playing and accept that this is how things are done here, and they're not going to change something which they have been doing without issues for almost three years.
There really isn't much else anyone can say here, we've tried to explain why things work the way they do with ESO and the MMO genre in regards to patching but you're unhappy with those answers, so I feel I am just wasting my time replying to the thread any more.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭I haven't had my coffee yet and I don't understand the question. But I voted for sub.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Well you seem to be the expert in this discussion and know how ZOS should be running their business.
If the deals that bad then find another game or cancel your ESO+ so you're not paying for a service you're not happy with.
If as I suspect you really love this game but it turns out you're just grumpy because your night was interrupted by unexpected events, then keep playing and accept that this is how things are done here, and they're not going to change something which they have been doing without issues for almost three years.
There really isn't much else anyone can say here, we've tried to explain why things work the way they do with ESO and the MMO genre in regards to patching but you're unhappy with those answers, so I feel I am just wasting my time replying to the thread any more.
TBH you are misreading my motivation for these posts... Zenny does maintenance on Mondays PCNA - this is NORMAL... it normally takes between 3/4 to 6/8 hours.. This is what happens.. My night is just fine... and I am a bit tired from grinding for Skill Points for one of my toons anyway. I'm not grumpy.
But again, I'm not sure how it is that you are attempting to explain how ESO works? Let Zenny explain themselves ?
Actually, as I said, the answers from Zenny previously are underwhelming and lazy and really very hard to justify from my point of view.
My comments about a 'dumb deal' have several indirect meanings but Zenny closed threads which raised those topics.Edited by StackonClown on February 20, 2017 11:20AM0 -
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I would be happy with an estimated time, an estimated time is then you can expect to get back playing.StackonClown wrote: »
Not sure I follow..
I would be happy with any declared outage time say, less than 12 hours, as long as both planned start and planned end times are known.. and of course Zenny should meet the expected end of outage time > 95% of the time..
This is not rocket science...
Again why are people defending Zenimax?
Wouldn't you want to have an expected end time?
Listen - mayyyyy be, Zenny should try it? See how it works?
The ONLY reason they don't is because they have no reason to be compelled to do so (i.e. no player pressure) and it is the LAZY option.
Demanding >95% hit here will be stupid as they would have to factor in problems so they would have to add this, so say 8 hours,
70-80% accuracy would work better, or the time if nothing go wrong.
You goal is to know then game is back up so you can continue to play, in this case overestimate downtime is as bad as underestimate.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭I would be happy with an estimated time, an estimated time is then you can expect to get back playing.
Demanding >95% hit here will be stupid as they would have to factor in problems so they would have to add this, so say 8 hours,
70-80% accuracy would work better, or the time if nothing go wrong.
You goal is to know then game is back up so you can continue to play, in this case overestimate downtime is as bad as underestimate.
Calling my suggestion 'stupid' is, well, inconsiderate to say the least. You clearly don't give much credence to high achievement. Anyway, whatever. 95% can be considered low when talking about planning accuracy for outages... like i said - whatever.
Please don't misinterpret - My goal is to know WHEN TO EXPECT the game will be back so you can PLAN to play later.
Edited by StackonClown on February 20, 2017 11:46AM0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »
TBH you are misreading my motivation for these posts... Zenny does maintenance on Mondays PCNA - this is NORMAL... it normally takes between 3/4 to 6/8 hours.. This is what happens.. My night is just fine... and I am a bit tired from grinding for Skill Points for one of my toons anyway. I'm not grumpy.
But again, I'm not sure how it is that you are attempting to explain how ESO works? Let Zenny explain themselves ?
Actually, as I said, the answers from Zenny previously are underwhelming and lazy and really very hard to justify from my point of view.
My comments about a 'dumb deal' have several indirect meanings but Zenny closed threads which raised those topics.
Final thoughts:
Thinking of all the threads on here where people are asking for help on improving their gameplay, the answers are often a variation of:
- L2P
- git gud
- lol you only did that once - try 500 times and do it for 6 months
- etc
isn't it about time Zenny L2P's and 'git's gud' with maintenance planning and communicates end times.... anyway.. weeee're back!.. but I'll log on tmrw now0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »
Final thoughts:
Thinking of all the threads on here where people are asking for help on improving their gameplay, the answers are often a variation of:
- L2P
- git gud
- lol you only did that once - try 500 times and do it for 6 months
- etc
isn't it about time Zenny L2P's and 'git's gud' with maintenance planning and communicates end times.... anyway.. weeee're back!.. but I'll log on tmrw now
People reply with those answers to stupid threads.
I think you will find that a majority of legitimate questions where players need help get good constructive answers and advice. However a thread that is someone crying about something or just ranting and whining tends to attract silly answers.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
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People reply with those answers to stupid threads.
I think you will find that a majority of legitimate questions where players need help get good constructive answers and advice. However a thread that is someone crying about something or just ranting and whining tends to attract silly answers.
Yes that is true - I'm just making a stark comparison...
Thanks for your thoughts! - not sure if your last line had a subtle hint, but thats ok
Edit - I still think Zenny needs to L2P system maintenanceEdited by StackonClown on February 20, 2017 12:50PM0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »
Yes that is true - I'm just making a stark comparison...
Thanks for your thoughts! - not sure if your last line had a subtle hint, but thats ok
Edit - I still think Zenny needs to L2P system maintenance
Was generic, not aimed at you.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Was generic, not aimed at you.
Ok Cool... thanks for clarifying... an interesting discussion, and although I differed with your posts, I appreciate the points of view you present - your comments are, of course, reasonable also...0 -
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Sorry stupid was the wrong world, however purpose of ETA to back up should be to tell then you could continue playing.StackonClown wrote: »
Calling my suggestion 'stupid' is, well, inconsiderate to say the least. You clearly don't give much credence to high achievement. Anyway, whatever. 95% can be considered low when talking about planning accuracy for outages... like i said - whatever.
Please don't misinterpret - My goal is to know WHEN TO EXPECT the game will be back so you can PLAN to play later.
Giving an far to long time to cower their own back would not help you at all.
Giving an reasonable and updated estimate would be nice, look like current update took a bit over 3 hours.
Now the >95% is needed if you has to do some action like manage without car and then pick it up at the garage, perhaps you need to rent an car and the garage will give an inflated time to be sure your car is ready in time.
If an game or tv channel is down you don't need an verified time to be ready, just an good estimate.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭Sorry stupid was the wrong world, however purpose of ETA to back up should be to tell then you could continue playing.
Giving an far to long time to cower their own back would not help you at all.
Giving an reasonable and updated estimate would be nice, look like current update took a bit over 3 hours.
Now the >95% is needed if you has to do some action like manage without car and then pick it up at the garage, perhaps you need to rent an car and the garage will give an inflated time to be sure your car is ready in time.
If an game or tv channel is down you don't need an verified time to be ready, just an good estimate.
Good comparison...
Yes I do agree that this is after all a game, our lives don't depend on it... so an exact ETA isn't completely necessary.. but any ETA would be better than none at all I would say.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »I am not a subscriber or a believer in any of those poll answers.
Option 1: I think the lag really needs to be sorted out ASAP. But I am not sure what other top issues there are?
Option 2: Conspiracy theroy of choice for people that want the game to be all about them and not about growing the game and helping new players. And that don't care about things that don't invovle being the best gamer ever, like housing and costumes.
Option 3: I am not a big fan of the subscription model, it is outdated, the games industry has moved on. The major issue of the subscription option is that it is very commital, you have to get your monies worth every month. It forces you to commit yourself to a long term investment when you don't know what the future holds for you and your enjoyment of the game. It is a large investiment of time for a new player that doesn't know if they will like the game. And it can be an issue for older players as well. What if a great new single player game came out and you want to take a break and play that for a month or two and come back later. Or you end up in a situation like me... Unemployed, I can spend that one off $30 to play the game.. but I can't lock myself into a regular subscription if I don't have income to sustain it.
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And you absolutely correct which is why Zos does not require a subscription. The dual model that ESO has is becoming more of a norm now permiting players to make a choice. Zos has made it far less punitive for players to not subscribe and these models are far better than the true F2P models of other games.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »As much as I tried to be serious with the original 'broken poll' about Zenny's handling of top issues, people still voted and what was meant to be something like 'sub-par', got cut off at 'sub'.... lol
Subway won the poll after all
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