Impenetrable to OP??

IlCanis_LupuslI

How much damage does wearing full inpen armor mitigate???
Cause it feels like non impen carriers are one hot wonders while full impen carriers are super tanks in PvP.
If a person had 26k physical resistance and 3.2k crit resistance how much physikal damage would that reduce ?+?

Syiccal

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IlCanis_LupuslI

Can someone do the maths???

dsalter

it needs a slight nerf i would agree especially since you can stack it with CP star version

thankyourat

dsalter wrote: »

it needs a slight nerf i would agree especially since you can stack it with CP star version

If impen got nerfed everyone in PvP would be getting one-shotted. Lol we are still getting one-shotted with impen. I think it's fine as is

Lynx7386

It's not OP at all. This game places far too much emphasis on damage and the power creep has gotten entirely out of hand. If anything we need more ways to reduce damage taken so people can survive more than two seconds in a pvp encounter.

SublimeSparo

670 armour rating is 1% mitigation
3200? Iirc is 50% critical damage mitigation.

Base crit damage is 0.5
Nb's and templars have 0.1 from passives
Minor force is another 0.1
Major force is 0.15
Cp can add up to another 0.25 (iirc)
Shadow mundus + 7 gold divines is 0.17/8
Archers mind and maybe a couple of other sets can increase crit damage further

Base pen is 100
Major Fracture 5.2k pen
Spriggans 4k pen
Kragh 2k pen
NMG 2.5k pen?
Sharpened 5.2k pen
Cp can add pen too

Cp can add upto 25% damage mitigation


So the answer is highly variable-
Scenario 1
Attacker has 10k tooltip only base pen 100 and base chd 0.5
Defender has 26k armour is 39% mitigation, 3200 impen so negates 0.5 crit damage, no cp in mitigation
Battle spirit reduces 10k to 5k
Non crit hits defender with 0 cp for 3k,
crit would also hit for 3k

Scenario 2
Attacker has 10k tooltip, has 20k pen, chd of 1.0
Same defender as above, so only has 6k effective resistance ~10% and only mitigates half the attacker crit damage
Battle spirit reduces 10k to 5k
Non crit hits 4.5k
Crit hits for 6.75k

Numbers are rough, an its early so maths might be off, but gives you a rough idea

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Can someone do the maths???

Critical resistance is not needed in PvE since monsters do not do critical damage. An enemies’ critical modifier can be reduced by equipping gear with the Impenetrable trait or by spending points in the Resilient champion point sign. Every percent in Resilient decreases the enemies’ critical modifier by the same amount and every 250 points of critical resistance reduces an enemies’ critical modifier by 3.5%

Example

If you are PvP’ing against an enemy with a critical modifier of 0.5 and you have 500 critical resistance (2 legendary equipment) and 48 points (15%) in Resilient, then

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

CRITICAL HITS

Now critical hit resistance did not work as I first thought. So I'm adding this special part specifically to explain how it works. Now first thing to note is that you cannot critically hit a damage shield, however the damage overflow from a depleted shield can critically hit. So if you do 10000 damage and you hit a 5000 damage shield the 5000 that are left over can critically hit and the base multiplier for that is 1.5 aka 50% so that would mean you would hit for 7500 after you deplete the targets shield. Now the resistance for this works like this. Stacking Critical hit damage increase is actually additive and not multiplicative and so for the reduction for it we are gonna subtract. So say you have 100p into Resistant and the enemy has only the base critical hit then it would function like this. you take the 1.5 and subtract 0.25 for the 25% resistance and you are then left with 1.25 and so their critical hit would only hit for 25% more than its base. Say that you have all types of critical hit resistance and the enemy has all types of increase in critical damage then it would look like this. 2.45-0.72=1.75 Which means that their multiplier for critical hits would be 75% more instead of 145%. Note that all of this is done before any of the above mentioned mitigation, in PvP if a player critically hits you this is the first part of the calculation for how much damage you will receive. Below is a list of all the possible ways of resisting critical hits. I moved the first 2 there from their previous spots above and added Impen.
20% Armor Set: Armor of the Construct (Critical Hits)
0-25% CP Passive: Resistant (Critical Hits)
0-27% Armor Trait: Impenetrable (Critical Hits)
~19% Armor Set: Transmutation (Critical Hits)* Resist depends on quality of set

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-and-list-of-options-updated-for-a-third-time/p1

Berenhir

3.2k crit resist reduces your opponent's crit modifier by 0.49. How high his crit modifier is, depends on his build and his buffs. For CP Players it is usually between 1.6 and 1.95. 1.5 is the base value for DK and Sorcerer, 1.6 for NB and Templar. My NB has 1.85 for example, so you would reduce his crit modifier to 1.36.

26k physical resist reduces the damage by 40%.

But you have to take armour penetration into account, which directly reduce your resistance values for a specific attack. Average penetration in PvP will be between 10k and 15k so your effective mitigation is only 17% to 25%.

So if my magblade hit you for 15k tooltip damage, it would be 15k*1.36=20.4k crit damage before armour
20.4k crit would be reduced by 25% armour resistances, 20.4k*0.75=15.7k damage

This would be reduced by battle spirit (50% less damage taken) to 7.8k actual damage taken.

RoyJade

250 crit res = 3,5% critical damage bonus reduction. SO with 3k2 crit res, you reduce 44,8% of the enemy's critical damage bonus.
Against an enemy with 70% bonus and 60% critical rate, you will reduce nearly 25% of the global incoming damage.
Against a pure ganker with 100% bonus and 90% critical rate, you will reduce 30% of the incoming damage.
Against a non-crit player with 55% bonus and 22% critical rate, you will reduce 9% of the incoming damage.

Impenetrable is a hard counter against ganking/crit burst play, but because of that some player don't use crit anymore and against them, you'll reduce far less damage.

DRXHarbinger

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

How much damage does wearing full inpen armor mitigate???
Cause it feels like non impen carriers are one hot wonders while full impen carriers are super tanks in PvP.
If a person had 26k physical resistance and 3.2k crit resistance how much physikal damage would that reduce ?+?

Here is something. Use Tbs with thief and shadow. It pretty much negates impen. Everything in this game has a counter to it (except radiant) I run a regular trial build with Tbs and willpower in Cyro amd it cuts down any HA perma tank wannabes. Sure I get killed. But it's better than spending 10 mins to kill 1 person and miss half the seige or have a zerg gobble you up.

leepalmer95

250 = 3.7% crit dmg reduction.

3300 crit resist = 50% crit dmg reduction.

3300/50 = 66

66 crit resist = 1% crit dmg reduction.


3200/66 = 48.48% crit reduction.

dsalter

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dsalter wrote: »

it needs a slight nerf i would agree especially since you can stack it with CP star version

If impen got nerfed everyone in PvP would be getting one-shotted. Lol we are still getting one-shotted with impen. I think it's fine as is

the one shop problem is how high the power creep is, nothing to do with impen.

ElliottXO

Impen trait should not even be in the game. A trait that has only an effect in PvP and is absolutely useless in the rest of the content forcing you to get a separate set.

There are more than enough ways to scale PvP damage with battle spirit.

TequilaFire

Hell no, time to death is already too low.
Only after reducing things like damage from stealth and actually making the health pool viable .
Don't even get me started on overpowered magicka executes like Mages Wrath and RD.

RoyJade

ElliottXO wrote: »

Impen trait should not even be in the game. A trait that has only an effect in PvP and is absolutely useless in the rest of the content forcing you to get a separate set.

Right for the second part. For the first part, some mobs should be able to crit in pve, in certain circumstance or with lower non-crit damage.
Beside, impen also reduce by 50% the armor degradation, which is cool for grinding.

GreenhaloX

This thread gave me a headache.. too much math and science! This is a video game, right?! What's with ESO being a pseudo-real life simulation?!