4v4v4 for battlegrounds?

Gilvoth · February 2017

same as LFG,
there will be a wait period to fill 4 of each allaince, and after about 2 months it will not be as popular and you might be wait for hours for people to join.

what they need to do is make the Gazelands all around red mountain open PvP area.
this will be open PvP in just that area alone and not the whole Zone just the Grazeland areas, where the ashlanders roam and hunt.

i feel so strongly about it that i made thread here -> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318397/grazelands-pvp-please-make-the-ashlands-of-morrowind-open-pvp-zone/p1?new=1

Gilvoth · February 2017

Acrolas wrote: »

No stealth. No ultimates.

if that is the case, then expect NO nightblades to join.
ultimate and stealth is our only way to survive. take away our stealth and our ult and its game over for us.
but i am sure you allreay know that from seeing it happen in cryodiil.

Dr_Rektar · February 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

same as LFG,
there will be a wait period to fill 4 of each allaince, and after about 2 months it will not be as popular and you might be wait for hours for people to join.

what they need to do is make the Gazelands all around red mountain open PvP area.
this will be open PvP in just that area alone and not the whole Zone just the Grazeland areas, where the ashlanders roam and hunt.

i feel so strongly about it that i made thread here -> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318397/grazelands-pvp-please-make-the-ashlands-of-morrowind-open-pvp-zone/p1?new=1

Another pvp zone? Open pvp area will increase ping and will bring more lags than we have now with it

Gilvoth · February 2017

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

same as LFG,
there will be a wait period to fill 4 of each allaince, and after about 2 months it will not be as popular and you might be wait for hours for people to join.

what they need to do is make the Gazelands all around red mountain open PvP area.
this will be open PvP in just that area alone and not the whole Zone just the Grazeland areas, where the ashlanders roam and hunt.

i feel so strongly about it that i made thread here -> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318397/grazelands-pvp-please-make-the-ashlands-of-morrowind-open-pvp-zone/p1?new=1

Another pvp zone? Open pvp area will increase ping and will bring more lags than we have now with it

that is False information. sorry, but what i am suggesting is good advice.

and btw i did not say "Zone"

Dr_Rektar · February 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

same as LFG,
there will be a wait period to fill 4 of each allaince, and after about 2 months it will not be as popular and you might be wait for hours for people to join.

what they need to do is make the Gazelands all around red mountain open PvP area.
this will be open PvP in just that area alone and not the whole Zone just the Grazeland areas, where the ashlanders roam and hunt.

i feel so strongly about it that i made thread here -> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318397/grazelands-pvp-please-make-the-ashlands-of-morrowind-open-pvp-zone/p1?new=1

Another pvp zone? Open pvp area will increase ping and will bring more lags than we have now with it

that is False information. sorry, but what i am suggesting is good advice.

and btw i did not say "Zone"

By zone i ment "small area inside other zone, sorry

DetErMeg · February 2017

Its a bold idea to go with a 4v4v4 battleground. Yes there are 3 factions but the safer bet would be to make 10v10 with cross faction queuing. There are so many ways to exploit a 3 ways fight. let the other teams slug it out and go in and snatch the glory in the last minute,
Depending on what kind of game mod they are running If its a Death match and most kills win i can see the team with most deaths will be Crouching in the far corners of the map to even the score.
And if the score is based on killing blows Jesus help us all.
Capture the flag or Node control is the only game mode i can see working with this 4v4v4.
But thats me maby the developers have a grander plan at work.

Looking forward to it anyway!

Yuke · February 2017

prevent players from queueing for specific game modes and dont allow to switch gear/builds after porting into the arena and most of the premade cancer builds will be useless.

MythicEmperor · February 2017

KaiVox22 wrote: »

30 destro ults vs 30 destro ults vs 30 destro ults?

I'd put my money on the 30 destro ults team.

kevlarto_ESO · February 2017

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Battlegrounds WILL be trash unless the core balance problems are fixed at least to an extent in pvp

This ^^^ it is going to end up 4x4x4 exploiters and cheaters, as the average player will learn spawning in falling over dead before you can move will not be fun, unless zos takes some steps to shut this crap down.

They have to get the cheat engine out of the game along with a few other things before they can even have any kind of core balance

Bobby_V_Rockit · February 2017

I just hope it stops all the lame duel invites and exhibitionists

Venom4You · February 2017

I do actually like that the arena is going to keep the groups small. 4v4v4 is not bad. But I would have appreciated to have options like 2v2v2, 2v2, 1v1v1, 1v1 with different leaderboards. Because those kind of fights have been hard to find in Cyrodiil for quite some time.
The biggest issue with arenas will be the current game balance. The larger the groups get the better broken builds are able to work in the arena. I can already see teams of 4 magplars stacking in a corner of the arena spamming breath of life until one of the other teams has been eradicated. Then popping 4 destros at a time to finish the winner team off... Its gonna be bad...
I honestly believe we have need of some kind of premade group setup in order to balance the pvp in arena:

- role slots: according to their stats, sets and cp peps are being assigned a group role (healer, tank, dps) by the game when entering the arena. In the arena the gear can't be swapped. For every 4 men group there is a max of 1 healer and 1 tank.
- class slots: Every group of 4 has to consist of 4 different classes. That might be the easiest solution not to fight 4 tanks or 4 healers (Ofc its possible to build nb/sorc tank/healers but its not really common and as efficient as templars/dks)

For the love of god zenimax... Pls just don't let peps form groups in arena with whatever build/class they want... We have Cyrodiil for that. If peps cry about it they missed the point of having an isolated area for small scale pvp. contain the cancer meta builds in arena and make it competitive and GREAT!

Blake6332 · February 2017

akl77 wrote: »

Yea, esp this is ability button smash game not a true skill game like dark souls. Everyone will be the same, unlike dark souls it came down to most skilled player wins.

You honestly believe that in dark souls the most skilled player always won? Lol, take off the nostalgia goggles boi, because the game I remember playing 500 hours of PvP in was NOT that balanced :P

exeeter702 · February 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

same as LFG,
there will be a wait period to fill 4 of each allaince, and after about 2 months it will not be as popular and you might be wait for hours for people to join.

what they need to do is make the Gazelands all around red mountain open PvP area.
this will be open PvP in just that area alone and not the whole Zone just the Grazeland areas, where the ashlanders roam and hunt.

i feel so strongly about it that i made thread here -> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318397/grazelands-pvp-please-make-the-ashlands-of-morrowind-open-pvp-zone/p1?new=1

Another pvp zone? Open pvp area will increase ping and will bring more lags than we have now with it

that is False information. sorry, but what i am suggesting is good advice.

and btw i did not say "Zone"

no it really isnt sorry. The entire crux of the issue is both incentive and structured format. PVP zones which enable free roam, much like IC eventually boil down to 2 things. A lack of desirable rewards equaling a lack of participation, or an abundance of desirable rewards in which case the zone becomes an absolute *** show.

The entire reason battle ground type systems were made popular in mmos, generally starting with world of warcraft, was to address an issue that becomes a law of the genre - open world pvp, given the rewards available are worthwhile, will always boil down to who brings the most players. It will always end up a player count game. Structured pvp was desperately needed in ESO and that is exactly what ZOS sought out to implement.

The issue of 3 way BGs and how the format punishes the stronger team in any given match is an entirely separate issue, but you all do realize there is no faction separation for the BGs here right? factions have zero effect on who is matched with who in a BG. This was clearly stated in the live stream.

max_only · February 2017

No factions in battlegrounds? Guess I'll never see it. I shudder to think of healing a, ugh, Pact player.

I don't like pvp anyway lol